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Thanks Bob,
Actually I (or my more tech savvy wife) can probably scan what I have and send them to someone who could post them.

Herb Moran

On Jun 23, 2011, at 9:38 AM, Robert Richmond wrote:

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>> Date: June 23, 2011 9:26:26 AM PDT
>> To: shawalphabet@yahoogroups.com
>> Subject: Help needed with Shawscript, Please
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>> I have enjoyed the posts here but I must confess I am not very computer savvy therefore I probably have only understood about half of the erudite posts.
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>> Nonetheless, can someone point me to a source or explain what I need to do to type using Shaw Script on my iMac or laptop with Windows OS? I know that there is a "unicode" but I know not how to use it for typing in Shavian. I have enjoyed using the "Translate" function on the Shaw pages but that seems to be down for an extended period of time with the "Python script error". ;-(
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>> Thanks for any tips - BTW, is there a market for the old Penguin edition of Androcles and some of the old Shaw newsletters which I have held since the beginning?
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I've got a scanner if needed and can post from here in a flash. Or we could mail them out. Still looking for that perfect book to transliterate.

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Herb Moran's got "old Shaw newsletters"! Any chance one of us could borrow these from him, scan them, and get them onto the Web? This is a resource that's never been widely available.

Bob Richmond

Knoxville, Tennessee

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From: Herbert Moran <herbmoran@...>

Date: June 23, 2011 9:26:26 AM PDT

To: shawalphabet@yahoogroups.com

Subject: Help needed with Shawscript, Please


I have enjoyed the posts here but I must confess I am not very computer savvy therefore I probably have only understood about half of the erudite posts.  

Nonetheless, can someone point me to a source or explain what I need to do to type using Shaw Script on my iMac or laptop with Windows OS?  I know that there is a "unicode" but  I know not how to use it for typing in Shavian.  I have enjoyed using the "Translate" function on the Shaw pages but that seems to be down for an extended period of time with the "Python script error".  ;-(


Thanks for any tips -  BTW, is there a market for the old Penguin edition of Androcles and some of the old Shaw newsletters which I have held since the beginning?

Herb Moran
S. California

*From: *Herbert Moran <herbmoran@...>
*Date: *June 23, 2011 9:26:26 AM PDT

I have enjoyed the posts here but I must confess I am not very computer
savvy therefore I probably have only understood about half of the erudite
posts.

Nonetheless, can someone point me to a source or explain what I need to do
to type using Shaw Script on my iMac or laptop with Windows OS? I know that
there is a "unicode" but I know not how to use it for typing in Shavian.

You need to find a keymap. I'm sorry that the ones I've designed are for
Linux only (US-Shaw and US-Dvorak-Shaw), though I do have waterslide decals
to relabel your keyboard for the latter (Latin Dvorak + Dvorak'ish Shaw
switched with capslock key).

You also need a unicode font. A small and easy one is the Andagii font, a
compacted and slightly cleaned up version is available in the Battle for
Wesnoth source code;

http://svn.gna.org/viewcvs/wesnoth/trunk/fonts/

Hey guys,

I've recently added filehosting to my blog about Shavian and Quickscript and am looking around for the people who have made the awesome Unicode fonts around here. I just want to make sure you are cool with me showing your work to a wider audience.

Thanks,
-Tim

On 15 Jul 2011, at 19:20, tim_rice09 wrote:

> I've recently added filehosting to my blog about Shavian and Quickscript and am looking around for the people who have made the awesome Unicode fonts around here. I just want to make sure you are cool with me showing your work to a wider audience.

I have prepared several fonts for an edition of Alice's Adventures in Wonderland in the Shaw Alphabet. I need feedback from readers as to their suitability, however. This means general comments on legibility as well as specific comments about the shapes of individual characters.

When I raised this issue earlier there weren't very many comments. I'd love to publish the book... can I interest the community in looking at this again?

Michael Everson * http://www.evertype.com/

I'll bump the other thread.

Michael Everson * http://www.evertype.com/

Some earlier conversation, showing the development of the font from too-ornate to (hopefully) easy to read.

On 31 Mar 2010, at 22:43, Michael Everson wrote:

To start, here are two files which differ in the shapes of four letters. Test-2 was the first one, but it seemed to me that the "ball ornament" was very distraction, and it seemed that simplifying it for SO, ZOO, MIME and NUN would be a good idea.

http://www.evertype.com/fonts/shavian/shavian-test-2.pdf

http://www.evertype.com/fonts/shavian/shavian-test-3.pdf

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On 1 Apr 2010, at 10:07, Michael Everson wrote:

Here is a draft the cover.

http://www.evertype.com/fonts/shavian/shaw-draft-cover.pdf

To put in perspective how exacting I am hoping to be.. see the ER and the L in "Wonderland"? It's just "c" and "turned-c". But I will have to move the counter (the hole) in the reversed "c" to the left in order to make the font work (compare the counters in "o").

There's not so much text in this particular display font, but I think (if I may say so) that it looks pretty good.

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On 6 Apr 2010, at 12:32, Michael Everson wrote:
> On 6 Apr 2010, at 08:56, yahya_melb wrote:
> I really like the look of those ball finials used - as Star wrote - "sparingly as a special text", i.e. a display font. However, they'd be a little tiring to read in extended passages.

I think this is because there are too many of the ball finials for the face.

> I wonder why you haven't tried using serifs, rather than balls, as finials?

Because this is a Shavian version of De Vinne.

> They really do enhance readability especially in smaller sizes, as they prevent the astigmatic eye (most people have a small degree of astigmatism, I believe) from wandering "off the end" of the strokes - they give definition to each character. They're also visually lighter than ball finials, which we rarely see, owing (I believe) to their extra visual weight.

See http://www.evertype.com/fonts/shavian/alice-Latn-Shaw.png to see the original De Vinne and my Shavianization of it. I need to reduce the numbers of the ball finials in order to make it less ornate.

> When you completely remove the finial, you have in effect a sans serif typeface. Why not try adding serifs, or reducing the size of the ball finials?

No, as I say it's a question of how many letters have the ball. Fewer letters have them in the Latin original, for instance.

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On 6 Apr 2010, at 14:15, Michael Everson wrote:

http://www.evertype.com/fonts/shavian/alice-Latn-Shaw-2.png is much "lighter" and easier to read, because many ball-finials have been changed to t-finials. I am pretty sure that there are some letter collisions still, but on the whole I would say that the text us much more legible. I suppose some s-serifs might be added to MIME and NUN... or? Any suggestions? Any letters whose base-shapes are just "not right"?

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On 6 Apr 2010, at 14:40, Michael Everson wrote:
> On 6 Apr 2010, at 14:18, Robert Richmond wrote:
> I learned Shavian in 1961, and can read it easily though not very fast. I find the ball-finial font nearly unreadable, though I can't figure out why.

Too many of the little guys, I should think. The regular De Vinne text has them in c and j and f and that's about it. There were many more in the http://www.evertype.com/fonts/shavian/alice-Latn-Shaw.png first version. But most of these were done away with inhttp://www.evertype.com/fonts/shavian/alice-Latn-Shaw-2.png the second version

Michael Everson * http://www.evertype.com/

PS. In case anyone is interested I'm also preparing an edition of Alice in Unifon.

I am a tad bit deficient in surfing to the place where I could find the Shaw script fonts referred to. Can you point me to the right url? Thanks for any help. I cannot seem to get past the "python scripting error" on the Shawvian translation page and I would like to know how to put the shaw script (and/or various fonts thereof) on my iMac and netbook.

Herb Moran


On Jul 15, 2011, at 11:40 AM, Michael Everson wrote:

> On 15 Jul 2011, at 19:20, tim_rice09 wrote:
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> I have prepared several fonts for an edition of Alice's Adventures in Wonderland in the Shaw Alphabet. I need feedback from readers as to their suitability, however. This means general comments on legibility as well as specific comments about the shapes of individual characters.
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On 15/07/11 20:50, Michael Everson wrote:
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> To put in perspective how exacting I am hoping to be.. see the ER and the L in "Wonderland"? It's just "c" and "turned-c". But I will have to move the counter (the hole) in the reversed "c" to the left in order to make the font work (compare the counters in "o").
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> ====I'm a little puzzled by the title on your cover. I read : "�????'??
????????? ?? ?????????".
Why did you write "?????????"? "?" is pronounced /ju?/ as in "you". Do
you really pronounce it /?d?v?ntju??z/? Shouldn't it be /?d?v?ntj?z/,
i.e. "?????????"?
I don't understand why you used the ice diphtong (?) in "?????????".
Also, couldn't you use the "?" ligature instead of the single "?" consonant?

I'm not a native speaker and there are so many dialects of English, that
I could be mistaking (If that's the case, I apologize), but I'm nearly
sure there's something wrong.

Jean-Fran�ois Colson

I don’t understand why my text was mangled that way. I’m making a second
attempt:





I’m a little puzzled by the title on your cover. I read :
“·𐑨𐑤𐑦𐑕’𐑩𐑟 𐑩𐑛𐑝𐑧𐑯𐑑𐑿𐑮𐑟 𐑦𐑯 𐑢𐑲𐑯𐑛𐑮𐑤𐑨𐑯𐑛”.
Why did you write “𐑩𐑛𐑝𐑧𐑯𐑑𐑿𐑮𐑟”? “𐑿” is pronounced /juː/ as in
“you”. Do you really pronounce it /ədˈvɛntjuːɹz/? Shouldn’t it be
/ədˈvɛntjɚz/, i.e. “𐑩𐑛𐑝𐑧𐑯𐑑𐑘𐑼𐑟”?
I don’t understand why you used the ice diphtong (𐑲) in
“𐑢𐑲𐑯𐑛𐑮𐑤𐑨𐑯𐑛”. Also, couldn’t you use the “𐑼” ligature instead
of the single “𐑮” consonant?

I’m not a native speaker and there are so many dialects of English, that
I could be mistaking (If that’s the case, I apologize), but I’m nearly
sure there’s something wrong.

Jean-François Colson