Resent to ensure transmission - Paul V.
>Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2002 02:45:06 -0300
>To: shavian@...
>From: Paul Gershon Vandenbrink <pvandenbrink@...>
>Subject: Shaw in a day or two or three
>
>Hi 1000 ships.
>
>First let me say I agree with Philip in the matter of /F.
>I much prefer the clear consistent rule in the Shaw Alphabet on the use of
>the Namer dot, over the hodgepodge of different kind of words that need to
>be Capitalized in English.
>With Word processing we have Bold letters, Italics and underlining, all of
>which can be used to indicate variation in how the word should be recognized.
>We can even put an asterisk in front of word to indicate non-standard
>spelling.
>Given the convergence of phonetic spelling, there are many more homonyms
>produced when writing using the Shaw Alphabet. I don't think it is serious
>problem. Obviously, we have to sort out the actual meaning of homonyms in
>vocal communication.
>But still, to reduce confusion in reading,
>I would suggesting creating some new symbol to indicate a homonym, with an
>alternate meaning, different from the most common or primary meaning. You
>could then put that homonym symbol in front of "eye" to prevent confusion
>with "I".
>
>As far as what the Shaw doctrine is, regarding the use of the apostrophe?
>I don't think it has ever be spelled out.
>Apostrophes indicate a contraction of 2 separate words into
>a single word which is a cut down merged version the two words. It gives
>the reader enough information to pronounce the
>one new word and still deduce the meaning from looking at the 2 original
>words.
>Obviously, though it doesn't transliterate well, in some situations. I
>prefer just writing the contracted word phonetically, and skip the apostrophe.
>I guess we could also create a symbol to indicate a contraction or some
>other type of abbreviation was used to spell out the new word. That seems
>like a issue that should be left until we
>work out how we should spell these contractions. First things first.
>
>Regards, Paul V.
>
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>At 12:26 AM 10/13/02 +0000, you wrote:
>>Phillip,
>>
>>I have added a note to the file addressing this. I did not know that
>>use of the namer dot was so strict. For example, on Simon Barne's
>>wonderful site, the transliteration of Auden's "Funeral Blues" uses
>>namers dots for each word of the phrase "He Is Dead".
>>
>>Since my file is designed to aid a user of TO who is just coming to
>>Shaw, and since the laws of Shaw are what we make of them in the
>>end, /F reserve the right to use the namer dot for the traditionally
>>capitalized first-person singular pronoun. Traditional Orthography
>>effectively distinguishes between many words that are similar in
>>spelling/sound. Cf. to, too, two. Whether "you" is meant to be
>>singular or plural in Mod.English is almost always clear from the
>>context.
>>
>>"Romans and countrymen, lend me your ears." Plural.
>>"Yeoman of Rome, to you my eye I lend." Singular.
>>
>>What is the Shaw doctrine regarding the use of the apostrophe? I've
>>seen it used in some transliterations. Others dont use it.
>>
>>How much traditional punctuation carries over? Mightn't we invent
>>new punctuation?
>>
>>The question is, is Shaw static?
>>
>>Collecting other EURO O.02 sense,
>>thousandshipz
>>
>>nO wP wiT FrAk
>>
>>--- In shavian@y..., "Philip Newton" <philip.newton@g...> wrote:
>> > On 10 Oct 02, at 2:37, thousandshipz wrote:
>> >
>> > > As for /F for the pronoun I, that's my own personal preference to
>> > > distinguish it from "eye" -- also use of namer dot for
>> > > Biblical/Quranic We and Him etc. /F know it uses more
>>keystrokes, a
>> > > big faux-pas in this crowd ;)
>> >
>> > It's got nothing to do with keystrokes, as far as I'm concerned;
>>it's
>> > just a misspelling since "I" is not a proper name.
>> >
>> > It would be like writing "you" small if it refers to one person and
>> > "YOU" to refer to multiple people in Traditional Orthography "to
>> > distinguish the words" -- it's just not done. The same word "you"
>>is
>> > used for both cases ever since "thou" dropped out of use.
>> >
>> > Just my EUR 0.02.
>> >
>> > Cheers,
>> > Philip
>> > --
>> > Philip Newton <Philip.Newton@g...>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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