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----- Original Message -----
From: <embryomystic@...>
To: <shavian@...>
Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2003 1:20 AM
Subject: RE: [shavian] International Shaw Alphabet Subset


> Several people have told you how to unsubscribe already. Hell, you
obviously willingly subscribed. So figure it out and move on. Christ.
>
>
> > ** Original Subject: RE: [shavian] International Shaw Alphabet Subset
> > ** Original Sender: gerald baker <glbaker50613@...>
> > ** Original Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 20:07:03 -0500 (EST)
>
> > ** Original Message follows...
>
> >
> > I do want to quit, and that means I don't want to get
> > all this stuff that keeps coming.
> >
> > --- embryomystic@... wrote:
> > > Didn't you say you wanted to quit?
> > >
> > > P.S. OFF-TOPIC.
> > >
> > >
> > > > ** Original Subject: RE: [shavian] International
> > > Shaw Alphabet Subset
> > > > ** Original Sender: gerald baker
> > > <glbaker50613@...>
> > > > ** Original Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 19:55:08 -0500
> > > (EST)
> > >
> > > > ** Original Message follows...
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 17:54:54 -0800 (PST)
> > > > From: "gerald baker" <glbaker50613@...>
> > > Subject:
> > > > One person stopped a tank in China, but not in our
> > > > "ally," Israel.
> > > >
> > > > The killing of Rachel Corrie, a US student who was
> > > run
> > > > > over by an Israeli bulldozer in Palestine, was
> > > an
> > > > evil
> > > > > deed similar to the killing of the of the
> > > > anti-slavery
> > > > > activist John Brown, just before the Civil War.
> > > > >
> > > > > Brown's death was commemorated in the song "John
> > > > > Brown's Body," whose tune was later used for the
> > > > song
> > > > > "Battle Hymn of the Republic" and the labor song
> > > > > "Solidarity Forever."
> > > > >
> > > > > I think there shoulld be a new version which
> > > goes,
> > > > >
> > > > > "Rachel Corrie's body lies a-molderin' in the
> > > grave,
> > > > > Her soul goes marching on."
> > > > >
> > > > > Gerald Baker
> > > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- Star Raven <celestraof12worlds@...>
> > > wrote:
> > > > > Paul, I do have a question, you are looking to
> > > > > create a fiting ISA,
> > > > > will you include the /hw/ or voiceless w?
> > > > >
> > > > > --Star
> > > > >
> > > > > --- Paul Gershon Vandenbrink
> > > > > <pvandenbrink@...> wrote:
> > > > > > Hi Hugh
> > > > > > As usual, I completely agree with your
> > > > > objectives for the
> > > > > > International
> > > > > > Shaw Alphabet. It must be designed to minimize
> > >
> > > > > > unnecessarily/redundant
> > > > > > letters, for people writing English based on a
> > > > > General American
> > > > > > English
> > > > > > pronunciation.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I also agree that removing the 'on' phoneme
> > > > > should be the first
> > > > > > step. And
> > > > > > as it would not even be unadvantagous to
> > > Brit-Eng
> > > > > speakers; if the
> > > > > > 'Northern English' conventions for 'ah'/'ash'
> > > are
> > > > > observed (e.g.
> > > > > > gr[æ]ss
> > > > > > not gr[a:]ss). There will be very few, if any,
> > > > > comprehension problems
> > > > > > if
> > > > > > the 'ah' letter also represents the 'on' sound
> > > in
> > > > > Brit-Eng.
> > > > > > And as this sound no longer distinguishes
> > > minimal
> > > > > pairs in American
> > > > > > English
> > > > > > pronunciation, it should be removed in the
> > > > > interest of clarity of
> > > > > > communication/writing.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The International Shaw alphabet is being
> > > tailored
> > > > > for Americans to
> > > > > > ensure
> > > > > > that conflicting spellings are avoided as much
> > > as
> > > > > possible, by
> > > > > > removing
> > > > > > redundant and ambiguous Shaw letters from
> > > General
> > > > > American use.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Regards, Paul V.
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > =====
> > > > > "Alright, enough with the storyline, let's get
> > > back
> > > > > to the monster killing...Hello!"
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > __________________________________________________
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Easy tiger...

----- Original Message -----
From: <embryomystic@...>
To: <shavian@...>
Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2003 1:20 AM
Subject: RE: [shavian] International Shaw Alphabet Subset


> Several people have told you how to unsubscribe already. Hell, you
obviously willingly subscribed. So figure it out and move on. Christ.
>
>
> > ** Original Subject: RE: [shavian] International Shaw Alphabet Subset
> > ** Original Sender: gerald baker <glbaker50613@...>
> > ** Original Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 20:07:03 -0500 (EST)
>
> > ** Original Message follows...
>
> >
> > I do want to quit, and that means I don't want to get
> > all this stuff that keeps coming.
> >
> > --- embryomystic@... wrote:
> > > Didn't you say you wanted to quit?
> > >
> > > P.S. OFF-TOPIC.
> > >
> > >
> > > > ** Original Subject: RE: [shavian] International
> > > Shaw Alphabet Subset
> > > > ** Original Sender: gerald baker
> > > <glbaker50613@...>
> > > > ** Original Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 19:55:08 -0500
> > > (EST)
> > >
> > > > ** Original Message follows...
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 17:54:54 -0800 (PST)
> > > > From: "gerald baker" <glbaker50613@...>
> > > Subject:
> > > > One person stopped a tank in China, but not in our
> > > > "ally," Israel.
> > > >
> > > > The killing of Rachel Corrie, a US student who was
> > > run
> > > > > over by an Israeli bulldozer in Palestine, was
> > > an
> > > > evil
> > > > > deed similar to the killing of the of the
> > > > anti-slavery
> > > > > activist John Brown, just before the Civil War.
> > > > >
> > > > > Brown's death was commemorated in the song "John
> > > > > Brown's Body," whose tune was later used for the
> > > > song
> > > > > "Battle Hymn of the Republic" and the labor song
> > > > > "Solidarity Forever."
> > > > >
> > > > > I think there shoulld be a new version which
> > > goes,
> > > > >
> > > > > "Rachel Corrie's body lies a-molderin' in the
> > > grave,
> > > > > Her soul goes marching on."
> > > > >
> > > > > Gerald Baker
> > > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- Star Raven <celestraof12worlds@...>
> > > wrote:
> > > > > Paul, I do have a question, you are looking to
> > > > > create a fiting ISA,
> > > > > will you include the /hw/ or voiceless w?
> > > > >
> > > > > --Star
> > > > >
> > > > > --- Paul Gershon Vandenbrink
> > > > > <pvandenbrink@...> wrote:
> > > > > > Hi Hugh
> > > > > > As usual, I completely agree with your
> > > > > objectives for the
> > > > > > International
> > > > > > Shaw Alphabet. It must be designed to minimize
> > >
> > > > > > unnecessarily/redundant
> > > > > > letters, for people writing English based on a
> > > > > General American
> > > > > > English
> > > > > > pronunciation.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I also agree that removing the 'on' phoneme
> > > > > should be the first
> > > > > > step. And
> > > > > > as it would not even be unadvantagous to
> > > Brit-Eng
> > > > > speakers; if the
> > > > > > 'Northern English' conventions for 'ah'/'ash'
> > > are
> > > > > observed (e.g.
> > > > > > gr[æ]ss
> > > > > > not gr[a:]ss). There will be very few, if any,
> > > > > comprehension problems
> > > > > > if
> > > > > > the 'ah' letter also represents the 'on' sound
> > > in
> > > > > Brit-Eng.
> > > > > > And as this sound no longer distinguishes
> > > minimal
> > > > > pairs in American
> > > > > > English
> > > > > > pronunciation, it should be removed in the
> > > > > interest of clarity of
> > > > > > communication/writing.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The International Shaw alphabet is being
> > > tailored
> > > > > for Americans to
> > > > > > ensure
> > > > > > that conflicting spellings are avoided as much
> > > as
> > > > > possible, by
> > > > > > removing
> > > > > > redundant and ambiguous Shaw letters from
> > > General
> > > > > American use.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Regards, Paul V.
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > =====
> > > > > "Alright, enough with the storyline, let's get
> > > back
> > > > > to the monster killing...Hello!"
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > __________________________________________________
> > > > > Do you Yahoo!?
> > > > > Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness,
> > > > > live on your desktop!
> > > > > http://platinum.yahoo.com
> > > > >
> > > > > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> > > > > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > __________________________________________________
> > > > Do you Yahoo!?
> > > > Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness,
> > > live on your desktop!
> > > > http://platinum.yahoo.com
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> > > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > >** --------- End Original Message ----------- **
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > ---
> > >
> > > A tiger can smile
> > > A snake will say it loves you
> > > Lies make us evil
> > >
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> > >
> > >
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> >
> >
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> >
> >
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>
>
> >** --------- End Original Message ----------- **
>
> >
>
> ---
>
> A tiger can smile
> A snake will say it loves you
> Lies make us evil
>
>
>
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--- embryomystic@... wrote:
> Several people have told you how to unsubscribe
> already. Hell, you obviously willingly subscribed.
> So figure it out and move on. Christ.
>
>
> > ** Original Subject: RE: [shavian] International
> Shaw Alphabet Subset
> > ** Original Sender: gerald baker
> <glbaker50613@...>
> > ** Original Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 20:07:03 -0500
> (EST)
>
> > ** Original Message follows...
>
> >
> > I do want to quit, and that means I don't want to
> get
> > all this stuff that keeps coming.
> >
> > --- embryomystic@... wrote:
> > > Didn't you say you wanted to quit?
> > >
> > > P.S. OFF-TOPIC.
> > >
> > >
> > > > ** Original Subject: RE: [shavian]
> International
> > > Shaw Alphabet Subset
> > > > ** Original Sender: gerald baker
> > > <glbaker50613@...>
> > > > ** Original Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 19:55:08
> -0500
> > > (EST)
> > >
> > > > ** Original Message follows...
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 17:54:54 -0800 (PST)
> > > > From: "gerald baker" <glbaker50613@...>
> > > Subject:
> > > > One person stopped a tank in China, but not in
> our
> > > > "ally," Israel.
> > > >
> > > > The killing of Rachel Corrie, a US student who
> was
> > > run
> > > > > over by an Israeli bulldozer in Palestine,
> was
> > > an
> > > > evil
> > > > > deed similar to the killing of the of the
> > > > anti-slavery
> > > > > activist John Brown, just before the Civil
> War.
> > > > >
> > > > > Brown's death was commemorated in the song
> "John
> > > > > Brown's Body," whose tune was later used for
> the
> > > > song
> > > > > "Battle Hymn of the Republic" and the labor
> song
> > > > > "Solidarity Forever."
> > > > >
> > > > > I think there shoulld be a new version which
> > > goes,
> > > > >
> > > > > "Rachel Corrie's body lies a-molderin' in
> the
> > > grave,
> > > > > Her soul goes marching on."
> > > > >
> > > > > Gerald Baker
> > > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- Star Raven <celestraof12worlds@...>
> > > wrote:
> > > > > Paul, I do have a question, you are looking
> to
> > > > > create a fiting ISA,
> > > > > will you include the /hw/ or voiceless w?
> > > > >
> > > > > --Star
> > > > >
> > > > > --- Paul Gershon Vandenbrink
> > > > > <pvandenbrink@...> wrote:
> > > > > > Hi Hugh
> > > > > > As usual, I completely agree with your
> > > > > objectives for the
> > > > > > International
> > > > > > Shaw Alphabet. It must be designed to
> minimize
> > >
> > > > > > unnecessarily/redundant
> > > > > > letters, for people writing English based
> on a
> > > > > General American
> > > > > > English
> > > > > > pronunciation.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I also agree that removing the 'on'
> phoneme
> > > > > should be the first
> > > > > > step. And
> > > > > > as it would not even be unadvantagous to
> > > Brit-Eng
> > > > > speakers; if the
> > > > > > 'Northern English' conventions for
> 'ah'/'ash'
> > > are
> > > > > observed (e.g.
> > > > > > gr[æ]ss
> > > > > > not gr[a:]ss). There will be very few, if
> any,
> > > > > comprehension problems
> > > > > > if
> > > > > > the 'ah' letter also represents the 'on'
> sound
> > > in
> > > > > Brit-Eng.
> > > > > > And as this sound no longer distinguishes
> > > minimal
> > > > > pairs in American
> > > > > > English
> > > > > > pronunciation, it should be removed in the
> > > > > interest of clarity of
> > > > > > communication/writing.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The International Shaw alphabet is being
> > > tailored
> > > > > for Americans to
> > > > > > ensure
> > > > > > that conflicting spellings are avoided as
> much
> > > as
> > > > > possible, by
> > > > > > removing
> > > > > > redundant and ambiguous Shaw letters from
> > > General
> > > > > American use.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Regards, Paul V.
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > =====
> > > > > "Alright, enough with the storyline, let's
> get
> > > back
> > > > > to the monster killing...Hello!"
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > >
> __________________________________________________
> > > > > Do you Yahoo!?
> > > > > Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March
> Madness,
> > > > > live on your desktop!
> > > > > http://platinum.yahoo.com
> > > > >
> > > > > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups
> Sponsor
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> > > > > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> __________________________________________________
> > > > Do you Yahoo!?
> > > > Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March
> Madness,
> > > live on your desktop!
> > > > http://platinum.yahoo.com
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
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> > >
> > >
> > > >** --------- End Original Message -----------
> **
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > ---
> > >
> > > A tiger can smile
> > > A snake will say it loves you
> > > Lies make us evil
> > >
>
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of this group. It that's so, thanks. Gerald Baker


--- embryomystic@... wrote:
> Several people have told you how to unsubscribe
> already. Hell, you obviously willingly subscribed.
> So figure it out and move on. Christ.
>
>
> > ** Original Subject: RE: [shavian] International
> Shaw Alphabet Subset
> > ** Original Sender: gerald baker
> <glbaker50613@...>
> > ** Original Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 20:07:03 -0500
> (EST)
>
> > ** Original Message follows...
>
> >
> > I do want to quit, and that means I don't want to
> get
> > all this stuff that keeps coming.
> >
> > --- embryomystic@... wrote:
> > > Didn't you say you wanted to quit?
> > >
> > > P.S. OFF-TOPIC.
> > >
> > >
> > > > ** Original Subject: RE: [shavian]
> International
> > > Shaw Alphabet Subset
> > > > ** Original Sender: gerald baker
> > > <glbaker50613@...>
> > > > ** Original Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 19:55:08
> -0500
> > > (EST)
> > >
> > > > ** Original Message follows...
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 17:54:54 -0800 (PST)
> > > > From: "gerald baker" <glbaker50613@...>
> > > Subject:
> > > > One person stopped a tank in China, but not in
> our
> > > > "ally," Israel.
> > > >
> > > > The killing of Rachel Corrie, a US student who
> was
> > > run
> > > > > over by an Israeli bulldozer in Palestine,
> was
> > > an
> > > > evil
> > > > > deed similar to the killing of the of the
> > > > anti-slavery
> > > > > activist John Brown, just before the Civil
> War.
> > > > >
> > > > > Brown's death was commemorated in the song
> "John
> > > > > Brown's Body," whose tune was later used for
> the
> > > > song
> > > > > "Battle Hymn of the Republic" and the labor
> song
> > > > > "Solidarity Forever."
> > > > >
> > > > > I think there shoulld be a new version which
> > > goes,
> > > > >
> > > > > "Rachel Corrie's body lies a-molderin' in
> the
> > > grave,
> > > > > Her soul goes marching on."
> > > > >
> > > > > Gerald Baker
> > > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- Star Raven <celestraof12worlds@...>
> > > wrote:
> > > > > Paul, I do have a question, you are looking
> to
> > > > > create a fiting ISA,
> > > > > will you include the /hw/ or voiceless w?
> > > > >
> > > > > --Star
> > > > >
> > > > > --- Paul Gershon Vandenbrink
> > > > > <pvandenbrink@...> wrote:
> > > > > > Hi Hugh
> > > > > > As usual, I completely agree with your
> > > > > objectives for the
> > > > > > International
> > > > > > Shaw Alphabet. It must be designed to
> minimize
> > >
> > > > > > unnecessarily/redundant
> > > > > > letters, for people writing English based
> on a
> > > > > General American
> > > > > > English
> > > > > > pronunciation.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I also agree that removing the 'on'
> phoneme
> > > > > should be the first
> > > > > > step. And
> > > > > > as it would not even be unadvantagous to
> > > Brit-Eng
> > > > > speakers; if the
> > > > > > 'Northern English' conventions for
> 'ah'/'ash'
> > > are
> > > > > observed (e.g.
> > > > > > gr[f]ss
> > > > > > not gr[a:]ss). There will be very few, if
> any,
> > > > > comprehension problems
> > > > > > if
> > > > > > the 'ah' letter also represents the 'on'
> sound
> > > in
> > > > > Brit-Eng.
> > > > > > And as this sound no longer distinguishes
> > > minimal
> > > > > pairs in American
> > > > > > English
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hey gerald, could you stop spamming the list, please? If you want out,
then get out, it isn't that big of a deal.

--Star

--- embryomystic@... wrote:
> Didn't you say you wanted to quit?
>
> P.S. OFF-TOPIC.
>
>
> > ** Original Subject: RE: [shavian] International Shaw Alphabet
> Subset
> > ** Original Sender: gerald baker <glbaker50613@...>
> > ** Original Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 19:55:08 -0500 (EST)
>
> > ** Original Message follows...
>
> >
> > Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 17:54:54 -0800 (PST)
> > From: "gerald baker" <glbaker50613@...> Subject:
> > One person stopped a tank in China, but not in our
> > "ally," Israel.
> >
> > The killing of Rachel Corrie, a US student who was run
> > > over by an Israeli bulldozer in Palestine, was an
> > evil
> > > deed similar to the killing of the of the
> > anti-slavery
> > > activist John Brown, just before the Civil War.
> > >
> > > Brown's death was commemorated in the song "John
> > > Brown's Body," whose tune was later used for the
> > song
> > > "Battle Hymn of the Republic" and the labor song
> > > "Solidarity Forever."
> > >
> > > I think there shoulld be a new version which goes,
> > >
> > > "Rachel Corrie's body lies a-molderin' in the grave,
> > > Her soul goes marching on."
> > >
> > > Gerald Baker
> > > >


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gerald baker wrote:
> I do want to quit, and that means I don't want to get
> all this stuff that keeps coming.

Gerald, I successfully unsubscribed myself from the list last night just
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Hi Star
While I do expect that there will be additional letters added to ISA
eventually, to handle new sounds. At present, I wish to concentrate on
creating a useful subset of the original Shaw Alphabet, tailored to the
needs of the average American English speaker.
I think Hugh has taken a large step in the right direction, but obviously,
we need some American English Speakers to determine if the subset is workable.

Regards, Paul V.
At 12:57 PM 3/18/03 -0800, you wrote:
>Paul, I do have a question, you are looking to create a fiting ISA,
>will you include the /hw/ or voiceless w?
>
>--Star
>
>--- Paul Gershon Vandenbrink <pvandenbrink@...> wrote:
> > Hi Hugh
> > As usual, I completely agree with your objectives for the
> > International
> > Shaw Alphabet. It must be designed to minimize
> > unnecessarily/redundant
> > letters, for people writing English based on a General American
> > English
> > pronunciation.
> >
> > I also agree that removing the 'on' phoneme should be the first
> > step. And
> > as it would not even be unadvantagous to Brit-Eng speakers; if the
> > 'Northern English' conventions for 'ah'/'ash' are observed (e.g.
> > gr[æ]ss
> > not gr[a:]ss). There will be very few, if any, comprehension problems
> > if
> > the 'ah' letter also represents the 'on' sound in Brit-Eng.
> > And as this sound no longer distinguishes minimal pairs in American
> > English
> > pronunciation, it should be removed in the interest of clarity of
> > communication/writing.
> >
> > The International Shaw alphabet is being tailored for Americans to
> > ensure
> > that conflicting spellings are avoided as much as possible, by
> > removing
> > redundant and ambiguous Shaw letters from General American use.
> >
> > Regards, Paul V.
> >
>
>
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I'm going to do that. If it works, fine. This will
then be the last thing the group gets from me. I had
time for Shaw alphabet stuff back in the Sixties, but
not now. Also this group wouldn't appreciate Shaw's
other ideas, from what I've seen. GB



--- Ethan <ethanl@...> wrote:
> gerald baker wrote:
> > I do want to quit, and that means I don't want to
> get
> > all this stuff that keeps coming.
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> Gerald, I successfully unsubscribed myself from the
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> to test and make sure it was working. After I did
> that, I subsribed
> again and sent a message listing every step you need
> to take in order to
> unsubscribe. So I know there's nothing at all wrong
> with the server, it
> works just fine. Allow me to repeat the
> instructions in even greater
> detail.
>
> *** Step 1:
>
> Send an email to
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> When you have done that, within several minutes you
> should receive an
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It seems odd that you were quite happy to post and contribute for so long, and then you decide almost overnight that you have no time for it and start complaining vehemently that you can't get out. What you have been saying has been valuable and I for one will miss it. We need people with knowledge from Shavian's early days. One thing I can't understand, Gerald, is why you feel you have to justify yourself to all of us. If you want to leave, go ahead and leave. Don't post repeatedly that you haven't got time, your computer is being overloaded, whatever, just do what you have to do.

Hugh B

----- Original Message -----
From: gerald baker <mailto:glbaker50613@...>
To: shavian@... <mailto:shavian@...>
Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2003 4:17 PM
Subject: Re: [shavian] International Shaw Alphabet Subset

I'm going to do that. If it works, fine. This will
then be the last thing the group gets from me. I had
time for Shaw alphabet stuff back in the Sixties, but
not now. Also this group wouldn't appreciate Shaw's
other ideas, from what I've seen. GB



--- Ethan <ethanl@... <mailto:ethanl@...> > wrote:
> gerald baker wrote:
> > I do want to quit, and that means I don't want to
> get
> > all this stuff that keeps coming.
>
> Gerald, I successfully unsubscribed myself from the
> list last night just
> to test and make sure it was working. After I did
> that, I subsribed
> again and sent a message listing every step you need
> to take in order to
> unsubscribe. So I know there's nothing at all wrong
> with the server, it
> works just fine. Allow me to repeat the
> instructions in even greater
> detail.
>
> *** Step 1:
>
> Send an email to
> shavian-unsubscribe@...
>
> When you have done that, within several minutes you
> should receive an
> email from "Yahoo! Groups Notification" and that
> email will look like this:
>
> Hello,
>
> We have received a request from you to unsubscribe
> from the
> shavian group. Please confirm your request by
> replying to this message. If you do not wish to
> unsubscribe from
> shavian, please ignore this message.
>
> Regards,
>
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> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
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>
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>
> When you get that message, send a reply to the
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> "reply" button in your email software. That being
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> Please follow these instructions carefully, and stop
> spamming the list!
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> have to do it yourself.
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As a speaker of an American dialect that aproaches General American,
I would be glad to give my opinion of the workability of your
American subset of Shavian. If you can provide a chart of the
letters and their sounds, I'm eager to see it.

-AllegroX

--- In shavian@..., Paul Gershon Vandenbrink
<pvandenbrink@s...> wrote:
> Hi Star
> While I do expect that there will be additional letters added to
ISA
> eventually, to handle new sounds. At present, I wish to concentrate
on
> creating a useful subset of the original Shaw Alphabet, tailored to
the
> needs of the average American English speaker.
> I think Hugh has taken a large step in the right direction, but
obviously,
> we need some American English Speakers to determine if the subset
is workable.
>
> Regards, Paul V.
> At 12:57 PM 3/18/03 -0800, you wrote:
> >Paul, I do have a question, you are looking to create a fiting ISA,
> >will you include the /hw/ or voiceless w?
> >
> >--Star
> >
> >--- Paul Gershon Vandenbrink <pvandenbrink@s...> wrote:
> > > Hi Hugh
> > > As usual, I completely agree with your objectives for the
> > > International
> > > Shaw Alphabet. It must be designed to minimize
> > > unnecessarily/redundant
> > > letters, for people writing English based on a General American
> > > English
> > > pronunciation.
> > >
> > > I also agree that removing the 'on' phoneme should be the first
> > > step. And
> > > as it would not even be unadvantagous to Brit-Eng speakers; if
the
> > > 'Northern English' conventions for 'ah'/'ash' are observed (e.g.
> > > gr[æ]ss
> > > not gr[a:]ss). There will be very few, if any, comprehension
problems
> > > if
> > > the 'ah' letter also represents the 'on' sound in Brit-Eng.
> > > And as this sound no longer distinguishes minimal pairs in
American
> > > English
> > > pronunciation, it should be removed in the interest of clarity
of
> > > communication/writing.
> > >
> > > The International Shaw alphabet is being tailored for Americans
to
> > > ensure
> > > that conflicting spellings are avoided as much as possible, by
> > > removing
> > > redundant and ambiguous Shaw letters from General American use.
> > >
> > > Regards, Paul V.
> > >
> >
> >
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monster
> >killing...Hello!"
> >
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