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In a previous episode, shavian@... said:

> I tried out your word pairs and found that
> free/furry, through/thorough, fro/furrow, kree/curry are
> distinguished only by their syllabic Rs.

Perhaps not. For emphasis, one can pronounce 'free' with two syllables, but
the accent would be on the second syllable, whereas your two-syllable
examples clearly have the accent on the first syllable. That would be a
difference between array and err. However, a perfect example (to my ears
anyway) of the difference between unstressed syllabic, and non-syllabic R is
Thoreau/throw. Except, now that I say them aloud, they seem nearly
identical. Hmm.

Craig



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Sending email to the group owner won't help anything I'm afraid.

Lionel Ghoti (alias Leon Robbins, I believe), the creator and still current moderator of this group, has vanished without a trace since January 2000.

There is no way this list can be administered without him. I will have to have a chat with Yahoo Groups about getting ownership transferred to one or a few of us.

I wonder where he's gone... I hope nothing bad has happened...

Hugh B

----- Original Message -----
From: Philip Newton <mailto:philip.newton@...>
To: shavian@... <mailto:shavian@...>
Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2003 5:04 AM
Subject: Re: [shavian] Unsubscribing (was Err and lol)

On 17 Mar 2003 at 16:25, gerald baker wrote:

> I went to that address and couldn't see a way to get
> out of this group. I don't have all day to fool around
> with that stuff. Just let me out. GB

There's nothing anyone of us can do about it.

If sending email to shavian-unsubscribe@... <mailto:shavian-unsubscribe@...> doesn't work,
and http://groups.yahoo.com/group/shavian/ doesn't show that you are a
member ("You are a member of this group" in the "Membership" box at the
right) and doesn't have a "Leave Group" link that you can click on,
then you could try emailing the list owner at
shavian-owner@... .

Sending emails to the list, however, isn't going to change anything.

(You have to send email to shavian-unsubscribe@... from the
address that you used to subscribe to the list. If you are unsure which
address that was -- for example, if you use multiple email addresses
forwarding to the same place --, look in the headers of the email for a
header "X-eGroups-Return:" or "Return-Path:". This should be of the
form "sentto-[a bunch of numbers]-youremail=email.domain.com@returns.
groups.yahoo.com". Replace the "=" by "@" and you have
"youremail@..." which is the address you are subscribed
with. Since you appear to be using Yahoo! Mail, you'll have to ask them
how to show the full headers of an email message, or the raw message
source, or whatever they call it, if they are not ordinarily
displayed.)

Cheers,
Philip
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Paul, I do have a question, you are looking to create a fiting ISA,
will you include the /hw/ or voiceless w?

--Star

--- Paul Gershon Vandenbrink <pvandenbrink@...> wrote:
> Hi Hugh
> As usual, I completely agree with your objectives for the
> International
> Shaw Alphabet. It must be designed to minimize
> unnecessarily/redundant
> letters, for people writing English based on a General American
> English
> pronunciation.
>
> I also agree that removing the 'on' phoneme should be the first
> step. And
> as it would not even be unadvantagous to Brit-Eng speakers; if the
> 'Northern English' conventions for 'ah'/'ash' are observed (e.g.
> gr[æ]ss
> not gr[a:]ss). There will be very few, if any, comprehension problems
> if
> the 'ah' letter also represents the 'on' sound in Brit-Eng.
> And as this sound no longer distinguishes minimal pairs in American
> English
> pronunciation, it should be removed in the interest of clarity of
> communication/writing.
>
> The International Shaw alphabet is being tailored for Americans to
> ensure
> that conflicting spellings are avoided as much as possible, by
> removing
> redundant and ambiguous Shaw letters from General American use.
>
> Regards, Paul V.
>


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Paul, I do have a question, you are looking to create a fiting ISA,
will you include the /hw/ or voiceless w?

--Star

--- Paul Gershon Vandenbrink <pvandenbrink@...> wrote:
> Hi Hugh
> As usual, I completely agree with your objectives for the
> International
> Shaw Alphabet. It must be designed to minimize
> unnecessarily/redundant
> letters, for people writing English based on a General American
> English
> pronunciation.
>
> I also agree that removing the 'on' phoneme should be the first
> step. And
> as it would not even be unadvantagous to Brit-Eng speakers; if the
> 'Northern English' conventions for 'ah'/'ash' are observed (e.g.
> gr[f]ss
> not gr[a:]ss). There will be very few, if any, comprehension problems
> if
> the 'ah' letter also represents the 'on' sound in Brit-Eng.
> And as this sound no longer distinguishes minimal pairs in American
> English
> pronunciation, it should be removed in the interest of clarity of
> communication/writing.
>
> The International Shaw alphabet is being tailored for Americans to
> ensure
> that conflicting spellings are avoided as much as possible, by
> removing
> redundant and ambiguous Shaw letters from General American use.
>
> Regards, Paul V.
>


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Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 17:54:54 -0800 (PST)
From: "gerald baker" <glbaker50613@...> Subject:
One person stopped a tank in China, but not in our
"ally," Israel.

The killing of Rachel Corrie, a US student who was run
> over by an Israeli bulldozer in Palestine, was an
evil
> deed similar to the killing of the of the
anti-slavery
> activist John Brown, just before the Civil War.
>
> Brown's death was commemorated in the song "John
> Brown's Body," whose tune was later used for the
song
> "Battle Hymn of the Republic" and the labor song
> "Solidarity Forever."
>
> I think there shoulld be a new version which goes,
>
> "Rachel Corrie's body lies a-molderin' in the grave,
> Her soul goes marching on."
>
> Gerald Baker
> >



--- Star Raven <celestraof12worlds@...> wrote:
> Paul, I do have a question, you are looking to
> create a fiting ISA,
> will you include the /hw/ or voiceless w?
>
> --Star
>
> --- Paul Gershon Vandenbrink
> <pvandenbrink@...> wrote:
> > Hi Hugh
> > As usual, I completely agree with your
> objectives for the
> > International
> > Shaw Alphabet. It must be designed to minimize
> > unnecessarily/redundant
> > letters, for people writing English based on a
> General American
> > English
> > pronunciation.
> >
> > I also agree that removing the 'on' phoneme
> should be the first
> > step. And
> > as it would not even be unadvantagous to Brit-Eng
> speakers; if the
> > 'Northern English' conventions for 'ah'/'ash' are
> observed (e.g.
> > gr[æ]ss
> > not gr[a:]ss). There will be very few, if any,
> comprehension problems
> > if
> > the 'ah' letter also represents the 'on' sound in
> Brit-Eng.
> > And as this sound no longer distinguishes minimal
> pairs in American
> > English
> > pronunciation, it should be removed in the
> interest of clarity of
> > communication/writing.
> >
> > The International Shaw alphabet is being tailored
> for Americans to
> > ensure
> > that conflicting spellings are avoided as much as
> possible, by
> > removing
> > redundant and ambiguous Shaw letters from General
> American use.
> >
> > Regards, Paul V.
> >
>
>
> =====
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> to the monster killing...Hello!"
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Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 17:54:54 -0800 (PST)
From: "gerald baker" <glbaker50613@...> Subject:
One person stopped a tank in China, but not in our
"ally," Israel.

The killing of Rachel Corrie, a US student who was run
> over by an Israeli bulldozer in Palestine, was an
evil
> deed similar to the killing of the of the
anti-slavery
> activist John Brown, just before the Civil War.
>
> Brown's death was commemorated in the song "John
> Brown's Body," whose tune was later used for the
song
> "Battle Hymn of the Republic" and the labor song
> "Solidarity Forever."
>
> I think there shoulld be a new version which goes,
>
> "Rachel Corrie's body lies a-molderin' in the grave,
> Her soul goes marching on."
>
> Gerald Baker
> >



--- Star Raven <celestraof12worlds@...> wrote:
> Paul, I do have a question, you are looking to
> create a fiting ISA,
> will you include the /hw/ or voiceless w?
>
> --Star
>
> --- Paul Gershon Vandenbrink
> <pvandenbrink@...> wrote:
> > Hi Hugh
> > As usual, I completely agree with your
> objectives for the
> > International
> > Shaw Alphabet. It must be designed to minimize
> > unnecessarily/redundant
> > letters, for people writing English based on a
> General American
> > English
> > pronunciation.
> >
> > I also agree that removing the 'on' phoneme
> should be the first
> > step. And
> > as it would not even be unadvantagous to Brit-Eng
> speakers; if the
> > 'Northern English' conventions for 'ah'/'ash' are
> observed (e.g.
> > gr[f]ss
> > not gr[a:]ss). There will be very few, if any,
> comprehension problems
> > if
> > the 'ah' letter also represents the 'on' sound in
> Brit-Eng.
> > And as this sound no longer distinguishes minimal
> pairs in American
> > English
> > pronunciation, it should be removed in the
> interest of clarity of
> > communication/writing.
> >
> > The International Shaw alphabet is being tailored
> for Americans to
> > ensure
> > that conflicting spellings are avoided as much as
> possible, by
> > removing
> > redundant and ambiguous Shaw letters from General
> American use.
> >
> > Regards, Paul V.
> >
>
>
> =====
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> to the monster killing...Hello!"
>
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Didn't you say you wanted to quit?

P.S. OFF-TOPIC.


> ** Original Subject: RE: [shavian] International Shaw Alphabet Subset
> ** Original Sender: gerald baker <glbaker50613@...>
> ** Original Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 19:55:08 -0500 (EST)

> ** Original Message follows...

>
> Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 17:54:54 -0800 (PST)
> From: "gerald baker" <glbaker50613@...> Subject:
> One person stopped a tank in China, but not in our
> "ally," Israel.
>
> The killing of Rachel Corrie, a US student who was run
> > over by an Israeli bulldozer in Palestine, was an
> evil
> > deed similar to the killing of the of the
> anti-slavery
> > activist John Brown, just before the Civil War.
> >
> > Brown's death was commemorated in the song "John
> > Brown's Body," whose tune was later used for the
> song
> > "Battle Hymn of the Republic" and the labor song
> > "Solidarity Forever."
> >
> > I think there shoulld be a new version which goes,
> >
> > "Rachel Corrie's body lies a-molderin' in the grave,
> > Her soul goes marching on."
> >
> > Gerald Baker
> > >
>
>
>
> --- Star Raven <celestraof12worlds@...> wrote:
> > Paul, I do have a question, you are looking to
> > create a fiting ISA,
> > will you include the /hw/ or voiceless w?
> >
> > --Star
> >
> > --- Paul Gershon Vandenbrink
> > <pvandenbrink@...> wrote:
> > > Hi Hugh
> > > As usual, I completely agree with your
> > objectives for the
> > > International
> > > Shaw Alphabet. It must be designed to minimize
> > > unnecessarily/redundant
> > > letters, for people writing English based on a
> > General American
> > > English
> > > pronunciation.
> > >
> > > I also agree that removing the 'on' phoneme
> > should be the first
> > > step. And
> > > as it would not even be unadvantagous to Brit-Eng
> > speakers; if the
> > > 'Northern English' conventions for 'ah'/'ash' are
> > observed (e.g.
> > > gr[æ]ss
> > > not gr[a:]ss). There will be very few, if any,
> > comprehension problems
> > > if
> > > the 'ah' letter also represents the 'on' sound in
> > Brit-Eng.
> > > And as this sound no longer distinguishes minimal
> > pairs in American
> > > English
> > > pronunciation, it should be removed in the
> > interest of clarity of
> > > communication/writing.
> > >
> > > The International Shaw alphabet is being tailored
> > for Americans to
> > > ensure
> > > that conflicting spellings are avoided as much as
> > possible, by
> > > removing
> > > redundant and ambiguous Shaw letters from General
> > American use.
> > >
> > > Regards, Paul V.
> > >
> >
> >
> > =====
> > "Alright, enough with the storyline, let's get back
> > to the monster killing...Hello!"
> >
> > __________________________________________________
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I do want to quit, and that means I don't want to get
all this stuff that keeps coming.

--- embryomystic@... wrote:
> Didn't you say you wanted to quit?
>
> P.S. OFF-TOPIC.
>
>
> > ** Original Subject: RE: [shavian] International
> Shaw Alphabet Subset
> > ** Original Sender: gerald baker
> <glbaker50613@...>
> > ** Original Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 19:55:08 -0500
> (EST)
>
> > ** Original Message follows...
>
> >
> > Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 17:54:54 -0800 (PST)
> > From: "gerald baker" <glbaker50613@...>
> Subject:
> > One person stopped a tank in China, but not in our
> > "ally," Israel.
> >
> > The killing of Rachel Corrie, a US student who was
> run
> > > over by an Israeli bulldozer in Palestine, was
> an
> > evil
> > > deed similar to the killing of the of the
> > anti-slavery
> > > activist John Brown, just before the Civil War.
> > >
> > > Brown's death was commemorated in the song "John
> > > Brown's Body," whose tune was later used for the
> > song
> > > "Battle Hymn of the Republic" and the labor song
> > > "Solidarity Forever."
> > >
> > > I think there shoulld be a new version which
> goes,
> > >
> > > "Rachel Corrie's body lies a-molderin' in the
> grave,
> > > Her soul goes marching on."
> > >
> > > Gerald Baker
> > > >
> >
> >
> >
> > --- Star Raven <celestraof12worlds@...>
> wrote:
> > > Paul, I do have a question, you are looking to
> > > create a fiting ISA,
> > > will you include the /hw/ or voiceless w?
> > >
> > > --Star
> > >
> > > --- Paul Gershon Vandenbrink
> > > <pvandenbrink@...> wrote:
> > > > Hi Hugh
> > > > As usual, I completely agree with your
> > > objectives for the
> > > > International
> > > > Shaw Alphabet. It must be designed to minimize
>
> > > > unnecessarily/redundant
> > > > letters, for people writing English based on a
> > > General American
> > > > English
> > > > pronunciation.
> > > >
> > > > I also agree that removing the 'on' phoneme
> > > should be the first
> > > > step. And
> > > > as it would not even be unadvantagous to
> Brit-Eng
> > > speakers; if the
> > > > 'Northern English' conventions for 'ah'/'ash'
> are
> > > observed (e.g.
> > > > gr[æ]ss
> > > > not gr[a:]ss). There will be very few, if any,
> > > comprehension problems
> > > > if
> > > > the 'ah' letter also represents the 'on' sound
> in
> > > Brit-Eng.
> > > > And as this sound no longer distinguishes
> minimal
> > > pairs in American
> > > > English
> > > > pronunciation, it should be removed in the
> > > interest of clarity of
> > > > communication/writing.
> > > >
> > > > The International Shaw alphabet is being
> tailored
> > > for Americans to
> > > > ensure
> > > > that conflicting spellings are avoided as much
> as
> > > possible, by
> > > > removing
> > > > redundant and ambiguous Shaw letters from
> General
> > > American use.
> > > >
> > > > Regards, Paul V.
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > =====
> > > "Alright, enough with the storyline, let's get
> back
> > > to the monster killing...Hello!"
> > >
> > >
> __________________________________________________
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>
>
> >** --------- End Original Message ----------- **
>
> >
>
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I do want to quit, and that means I don't want to get
all this stuff that keeps coming.

--- embryomystic@... wrote:
> Didn't you say you wanted to quit?
>
> P.S. OFF-TOPIC.
>
>
> > ** Original Subject: RE: [shavian] International
> Shaw Alphabet Subset
> > ** Original Sender: gerald baker
> <glbaker50613@...>
> > ** Original Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 19:55:08 -0500
> (EST)
>
> > ** Original Message follows...
>
> >
> > Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 17:54:54 -0800 (PST)
> > From: "gerald baker" <glbaker50613@...>
> Subject:
> > One person stopped a tank in China, but not in our
> > "ally," Israel.
> >
> > The killing of Rachel Corrie, a US student who was
> run
> > > over by an Israeli bulldozer in Palestine, was
> an
> > evil
> > > deed similar to the killing of the of the
> > anti-slavery
> > > activist John Brown, just before the Civil War.
> > >
> > > Brown's death was commemorated in the song "John
> > > Brown's Body," whose tune was later used for the
> > song
> > > "Battle Hymn of the Republic" and the labor song
> > > "Solidarity Forever."
> > >
> > > I think there shoulld be a new version which
> goes,
> > >
> > > "Rachel Corrie's body lies a-molderin' in the
> grave,
> > > Her soul goes marching on."
> > >
> > > Gerald Baker
> > > >
> >
> >
> >
> > --- Star Raven <celestraof12worlds@...>
> wrote:
> > > Paul, I do have a question, you are looking to
> > > create a fiting ISA,
> > > will you include the /hw/ or voiceless w?
> > >
> > > --Star
> > >
> > > --- Paul Gershon Vandenbrink
> > > <pvandenbrink@...> wrote:
> > > > Hi Hugh
> > > > As usual, I completely agree with your
> > > objectives for the
> > > > International
> > > > Shaw Alphabet. It must be designed to minimize
>
> > > > unnecessarily/redundant
> > > > letters, for people writing English based on a
> > > General American
> > > > English
> > > > pronunciation.
> > > >
> > > > I also agree that removing the 'on' phoneme
> > > should be the first
> > > > step. And
> > > > as it would not even be unadvantagous to
> Brit-Eng
> > > speakers; if the
> > > > 'Northern English' conventions for 'ah'/'ash'
> are
> > > observed (e.g.
> > > > gr[f]ss
> > > > not gr[a:]ss). There will be very few, if any,
> > > comprehension problems
> > > > if
> > > > the 'ah' letter also represents the 'on' sound
> in
> > > Brit-Eng.
> > > > And as this sound no longer distinguishes
> minimal
> > > pairs in American
> > > > English
> > > > pronunciation, it should be removed in the
> > > interest of clarity of
> > > > communication/writing.
> > > >
> > > > The International Shaw alphabet is being
> tailored
> > > for Americans to
> > > > ensure
> > > > that conflicting spellings are avoided as much
> as
> > > possible, by
> > > > removing
> > > > redundant and ambiguous Shaw letters from
> General
> > > American use.
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> ** Original Subject: RE: [shavian] International Shaw Alphabet Subset
> ** Original Sender: gerald baker <glbaker50613@...>
> ** Original Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 20:07:03 -0500 (EST)

> ** Original Message follows...

>
> I do want to quit, and that means I don't want to get
> all this stuff that keeps coming.
>
> --- embryomystic@... wrote:
> > Didn't you say you wanted to quit?
> >
> > P.S. OFF-TOPIC.
> >
> >
> > > ** Original Subject: RE: [shavian] International
> > Shaw Alphabet Subset
> > > ** Original Sender: gerald baker
> > <glbaker50613@...>
> > > ** Original Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 19:55:08 -0500
> > (EST)
> >
> > > ** Original Message follows...
> >
> > >
> > > Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 17:54:54 -0800 (PST)
> > > From: "gerald baker" <glbaker50613@...>
> > Subject:
> > > One person stopped a tank in China, but not in our
> > > "ally," Israel.
> > >
> > > The killing of Rachel Corrie, a US student who was
> > run
> > > > over by an Israeli bulldozer in Palestine, was
> > an
> > > evil
> > > > deed similar to the killing of the of the
> > > anti-slavery
> > > > activist John Brown, just before the Civil War.
> > > >
> > > > Brown's death was commemorated in the song "John
> > > > Brown's Body," whose tune was later used for the
> > > song
> > > > "Battle Hymn of the Republic" and the labor song
> > > > "Solidarity Forever."
> > > >
> > > > I think there shoulld be a new version which
> > goes,
> > > >
> > > > "Rachel Corrie's body lies a-molderin' in the
> > grave,
> > > > Her soul goes marching on."
> > > >
> > > > Gerald Baker
> > > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- Star Raven <celestraof12worlds@...>
> > wrote:
> > > > Paul, I do have a question, you are looking to
> > > > create a fiting ISA,
> > > > will you include the /hw/ or voiceless w?
> > > >
> > > > --Star
> > > >
> > > > --- Paul Gershon Vandenbrink
> > > > <pvandenbrink@...> wrote:
> > > > > Hi Hugh
> > > > > As usual, I completely agree with your
> > > > objectives for the
> > > > > International
> > > > > Shaw Alphabet. It must be designed to minimize
> >
> > > > > unnecessarily/redundant
> > > > > letters, for people writing English based on a
> > > > General American
> > > > > English
> > > > > pronunciation.
> > > > >
> > > > > I also agree that removing the 'on' phoneme
> > > > should be the first
> > > > > step. And
> > > > > as it would not even be unadvantagous to
> > Brit-Eng
> > > > speakers; if the
> > > > > 'Northern English' conventions for 'ah'/'ash'
> > are
> > > > observed (e.g.
> > > > > gr[æ]ss
> > > > > not gr[a:]ss). There will be very few, if any,
> > > > comprehension problems
> > > > > if
> > > > > the 'ah' letter also represents the 'on' sound
> > in
> > > > Brit-Eng.
> > > > > And as this sound no longer distinguishes
> > minimal
> > > > pairs in American
> > > > > English
> > > > > pronunciation, it should be removed in the
> > > > interest of clarity of
> > > > > communication/writing.
> > > > >
> > > > > The International Shaw alphabet is being
> > tailored
> > > > for Americans to
> > > > > ensure
> > > > > that conflicting spellings are avoided as much
> > as
> > > > possible, by
> > > > > removing
> > > > > redundant and ambiguous Shaw letters from
> > General
> > > > American use.
> > > > >
> > > > > Regards, Paul V.
> > > > >
> > > >
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