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> Sent: 21 March 2005 18:25
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> Subject: [shavian] What is a blog?
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It stands for Web-Log, aka, an online journal. Mine is in my siggy.

--Star

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oh it was, wasn't it... Darn it, I'm too tired to catch it tonight

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On Mon, 21 Mar 2005 17:51:28 -0800 (PST), Star Raven
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I thought it was legit, too, when I saw it on the Lojban Yahoo!Group,
though I wondered why it was posted there -- did they expect an answer
in Lojban? Then I saw the same message posted to several other
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I didn't notice, this was posted on the old list. Nothing can be done about
it, but then again it doesn't really matter :P

Hugh B

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----- Original Message -----
From: "richardcutler" <cutler@...>
To: "Hugh Birkenhead" <mixsynth@...>
Sent: Sunday, March 27, 2005 11:54 AM
Subject: Global English


> Perhaps you might find time to give consequence to the attached, I should
> value your comments.
> Richard Cutler cutler@...
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Richard,

There was an issue as to what pronunciation should be represented in Shavian. I think it has been discussed and resolved.

The speech represented is what we find in Androcles and the Lion dual reader.

(insert a page graphic here)

This appears to be a rhotic version of UK English. I presume that this is also the same dialect that is represented in the OED.

--Steve



Why did you post it as a Word file? There were no special characters in the message. (I have reposted it as a text file below)

--Steve


RC: There is much discussion about which English is the “correct” English. Many object to the English pronunciation that is not their own. But those who advocate allowing the language to flow in any direction it chooses in the name of development, change and picturesqueness, should be reminded that in 1635 that great intellectual, Le Cardinal de Richelieu, formed l’Académie Française to standardize French.





SB: I applaud the work of the French academy. There is an article on recent work at http://www.spellingsociety.org/ by a member of the academy who died a couple of years ago.





It saved the language. Before this institution existed, a Bordelais spelled and spoke differently from a Normand, a Gascon could not understand an Alsacien, and a Parisien could understand neither.





Richelieu gathered representatives from different regions under one dome and had them establish a standard, thus creating a proper language for communication. Those who argue against this policing will tell you that this is why French lost some of its global status and ceased, 40 years ago, to be the lingua franca of diplomacy et cetera.





I remind them that French would never have become a world language in the first place if it had not been for Richelieu who got rid of all its ramifications. As the chief purpose of a global language is to communicate, it must be easy for all people to understand.





Pronunciation seems to be more important than grammar; we know what “Me want cigarette” and “Passport, she lost,” mean, but ill-articulated, badly-pronounced speech is like illegible handwriting ... slow to communicate, difficult to understand, wastes time and can cause dangerous confusion.





SB: I think you are mixing together several points. What is generally represented in a dictionary pronunciation guide is broadcast English. Shaw had a secondary motive in developing a new notation for a pronuinciation guide. That of representing the King's English - a northern UK dialect.





Who is advocating simplified grammar? This is something we find on the conlang websites. Shavian, Saundspel, and Euro-English do not touch grammar.





RC: The English of Indians who use standard pronunciation are easier to follow than many of the British who speak with unfamiliar accents.

When I lived in France, I noted that foreigners studying English took most easily to American usage and pronunciation, but further research persuades me that the pronunciation demonstrated in the Oxford English Dictionary is the best standard for universal comprehension.





SB: This is a rather minor point. Most people can understand broadcast English in either its NBC or BBC variety. There is no particular advantage to one dialect over the other. I don't know what the World preference would be. I imagine that they would prefer what they find familiar.





I should appreciate your comments.


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Hi Steve

The Oxford English Dictionary, that I have, uses Standard or
Received Pronunciation, which is definately, non-Rhotic.
The American Heritage Dictionary, provides a nice clear Rhotic
pronunciation, but it tends to be full of Americanisms.
Can you suggest another Generally Available British Dictionary?

Regards, Paul V.
P.S. Until quite recently Oxford RP pronunciation was the
High status pronunciation in England. Dictionaries by definition are
a little bit behind the Times.

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--- In shavian@..., stbetta@a... wrote:
> Richard,
>
> There was an issue as to what pronunciation should be represented
in Shavian.
> I think it has been discussed and resolved.
>
> The speech represented is what we find in Androcles and the Lion
dual reader.
>
>
> (insert a page graphic here)
>
> This appears to be a rhotic version of UK English. I presume that
this is
> also the same dialect that is represented in the OED.
>
> --Steve
>
>
>
> Why did you post it as a Word file? There were no special
characters in the
> message. (I have reposted it as a text file below)
>
> --Steve
>
> RC: There is much discussion about which English is the
“correct” English.
> Many object to the English pronunciation that is not their own. But
those who
> advocate allowing the language to flow in any direction it chooses
in the name
> of development, change and picturesqueness, should be reminded that
in 1635
> that great intellectual, Le Cardinal de Richelieu, formed
l’Académie Française
> to standardize French.
>
> SB: I applaud the work of the French academy. There is an article
on recent
> work at http://www.spellingsociety.org/ by a member of the academy
who died a
> couple of years ago.
>
> It saved the language. Before this institution existed, a Bordelais
spelled
> and spoke differently from a Normand, a Gascon could not understand
an
> Alsacien, and a Parisien could understand neither.
>
> Richelieu gathered representatives from different regions under one
dome and
> had them establish a standard, thus creating a proper language for
> communication. Those who argue against this policing will tell you
that this is why
> French lost some of its global status and ceased, 40 years ago, to
be the lingua
> franca of diplomacy et cetera.
>
> I remind them that French would never have become a world language
in the
> first place if it had not been for Richelieu who got rid of all its
> ramifications. As the chief purpose of a global language is to
communicate, it must be
> easy for all people to understand.
>
> Pronunciation seems to be more important than grammar; we know what
“Me want
> cigarette” and “Passport, she lost,” mean, but ill-
articulated,
> badly-pronounced speech is like illegible handwriting ... slow to
communicate, difficult to
> understand, wastes time and can cause dangerous confusion.
>
> SB: I think you are mixing together several points. What is
generally
> represented in a dictionary pronunciation guide is broadcast
English. Shaw had a
> secondary motive in developing a new notation for a pronuinciation
guide. That
> of representing the King's English - a northern UK dialect.
>
> Who is advocating simplified grammar? This is something we find on
the
> conlang websites. Shavian, Saundspel, and Euro-English do not
touch grammar.
>
> RC: The English of Indians who use standard pronunciation are
easier to
> follow than many of the British who speak with unfamiliar accents.
>
> When I lived in France, I noted that foreigners studying English
took most
> easily to American usage and pronunciation, but further research
persuades me
> that the pronunciation demonstrated in the Oxford English
Dictionary is the best
> standard for universal comprehension.
>
> SB: This is a rather minor point. Most people can understand
broadcast
> English in either its NBC or BBC variety. There is no particular
advantage to one
> dialect over the other. I don't know what the World preference
would be. I
> imagine that they would prefer what they find familiar.
>
> I should appreciate your comments.
> Richard Cutler cutler@i...





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Hi Steve

The Oxford English Dictionary, that I have, uses Standard or
Received Pronunciation, which is definately, non-Rhotic.
The American Heritage Dictionary, provides a nice clear Rhotic
pronunciation, but it tends to be full of Americanisms.
Can you suggest another Generally Available British Dictionary?

Regards, Paul V.
P.S. Until quite recently Oxford RP pronunciation was the
High status pronunciation in England. Dictionaries by definition are
a little bit behind the Times.

-----

Paul,

Have you checked out the Cambridge Dictionary? It is supposed to list both UK and US pronunciations. --Steve

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