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Paul,

I have never mapped the ITA on the IPA.
The only real difficulty you would have is with respect to schwa.
The i/t/a has &r </r> but no schwa.

tradspl i/t/a IPA
Other = uth/r /VD&r/
sofa = soefa /soUf&/
ago = ago /&goU/

--Steve

Hi Steve
I am very pragmatic in my choice of Pitman's I.T.A.
It maps nicely onto both the Roman Alphabet and the Shavian
Alphabet, yet makes a clear distinction between a letter from Roman
and one of its extended set of letters. It is easy to teach. The
lack of
one letter, albeit a very useful letter, does not change my opinion
that it is close to what I want.



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Hi Steve

Obviously, Accent variation is not only in the vowels, but the vast
majority of variations in English pronounciation is in the vowel
sounds and in those vowel sound + r combinations that you call
Rhotic. In Non-Rhotic English, these sounds have evolved entirely
into Vowel Dipthongs. Let's not split hairs here. Vowel Variation is
the key area to work on.


As for the wen/ hwen difference, it is a very minor voiced/un-voiced
difference, that most English speakers put into the same consonant
phoneme. They can not even hear the difference?

Regards, Paul V.
P.S. Some Linguists consider even the Rhotic Vowel Combinations to be
classed with the other Dipthongs and Tripthongs.

P.P.S. I am not aware of any large English speaking communities that
retain that retain the pronounced
> k in knife.






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I am not sure how well this will display on your screen.
To see the graphics, go to www.foolswisdom.com/~sbett/shaw.htm <http://www.foolswisdom.com/~sbett/shaw.htm>

48 characters <res://C:\Program%20Files\America%20Online%209.0\resource.dll/HTMLVIEWEDIT#charts> download font Shaw sans2 <file:///C:/Documents%20and%20Settings/Steve%20Bett/My%20Documents/My%20Webs/cshaws2.ttf>
The Shaw Alphabet
an alternate pronunciation guide or dictionary key spelling
shaw.htm is an addendum to shaw-short <file:///C:/Documents%20and%20Settings/Steve%20Bett/My%20Documents/My%20Webs/shavian-short.html> which became rather long.

C O N T E N T S
• Shavian Types
• New Alphabets
• Unicode <res://C:\Program%20Files\America%20Online%209.0\resource.dll/HTMLVIEWEDIT#unicode> Shaw
• Charts <res://C:\Program%20Files\America%20Online%209.0\resource.dll/HTMLVIEWEDIT#charts>
• Transcriptions <res://C:\Program%20Files\America%20Online%209.0\resource.dll/HTMLVIEWEDIT#alt-tran>
• Unigraphic
• Clerical Errors <res://C:\Program%20Files\America%20Online%209.0\resource.dll/HTMLVIEWEDIT#errors>
• FAQ <res://C:\Program%20Files\America%20Online%209.0\resource.dll/HTMLVIEWEDIT#FAQ>
• Fonetix <res://C:\Program%20Files\America%20Online%209.0\resource.dll/HTMLVIEWEDIT#funetix>
• Converters <res://C:\Program%20Files\America%20Online%209.0\resource.dll/HTMLVIEWEDIT#converters>
• JSSS <http://www.spellingsociety.org/> articles

Some purists have been dissatisfied with a spelling reform <file:///C:/Documents%20and%20Settings/Steve%20Bett/My%20Documents/My%20Webs/spelling_reform.htm> that retains the conventional Roman sound signs and have advocated going beyond phonemic notations such as Webster's diacritics.
/'webstørz dýø'kritiks/ vs. /webstDs dFakritiks/

Both Mark Twain <http://www.spellingsociety.org/> and GBS were dissatisfied with simplified spelling because it looked ugly and uneducated. To have appeal, they reasoned, the phonographic orthography would have be clearly distinguished from conventional spelling.

The Shaw Alphabet [aka Shavian] is the most well known radical reform. A bequest from dramatist an social reformer, George Bernard Shaw [d. 1950], financed a public competition in 1957 - 58 for the design of a new alphabet that would have at least 40 letters and no digraphs [2 letter symbols such as Sh] or diacritics <file:///C:/Documents%20and%20Settings/Steve%20Bett/My%20Documents/My%20Webs/diacritics.htm> [such as á è î ô ü]. [See Haas, Alphabets for English]

The rules also included provisions to accommodate Shaw's wish that the new spellings should not be seen as uneducated traditional spellings. Both Shaw and Twain believed that this required the abandonment of the Roman alphabet.

Shaw also wanted the new script to have the economic benefits of a linear shorthand. It should be compact and allow rapid hand writing. Read's script did meet all of the expectations:

SY olsO wantad H nM skript tM hav H ekanomik benafits v a linFD shorthAnd.

To view the example, you must first download the font.
More? go to www.foolswisdom.com/~sbett/shaw.htm <http://www.foolswisdom.com/~sbett/shaw.htm>


--Steve <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/saundspel>

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impysibl, impysibUl, P impysibul?

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“imposibal”



YlwEz Vz ‘o’ fP HAt sQnd apRt from a fV iksepSanz, e.g. pym, sym, fyHD, rASanyl, banyl, ets.



/hV /b



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impysibl is the shortest
impyxibUl is a plaYsibl speliN

impysibl, impysibUl, P impysibul?






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cCz,
/filip

p.s. V mE wont t jqn H /jahMgrMp "syAlfabet" (shawalphabet), sins His wun izant Vzd As muc nQ.



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impysibl, impysibUl, P impysibul?

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YlwEz Vz 'o' fP HAt sQnd apRt from a fV iksepSanz, e.g. pym, sym, fyHD, rASanyl, banyl, ets.

kXfal! "HAt sQnd" mE bI klC t V, but HX R menI pIpal hM mxJ "kot" n "kYt", P H vQalz in "boHD" n "fyHD", sI VziN o-y-Y mE entEl VziN a dikSanDI fP Hem.



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YlwEz Vz 'o' fP HAt sQnd apRt from a fV iksepSanz, e.g. pym, sym, fyHD, rASanyl, banyl, ets.

kXfal! "HAt sQnd" mE bI klC t V, but HX R menI pIpal hM mxJ "kot" n "kYt", P H vQalz in "boHD" n "fyHD", sI VziN o-y-Y mE entEl VziN a dikSanDI fP Hem.



cCz,
/filip






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