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Yeah, but I didn't have any good quotes from him ;)

--Star

--- dshepx <dshep@...> wrote:

>
> In shawalphabet@yahoogroups.com, Star Raven wrote:
>
> > What can I say? I like villains and dark characters.
>
> > --Star
>
> Do you have any thoughts about Merlin, who may not
> have been a villain, may not have been dark, and may
> not have existed? But persists in legend.
>
> regards,
> dshep
>
>
>


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Hi X D Shep (unwilling to be double Shepped)
Thanks for the tip. I wlill have to listen more carefully.
The On sound in James Bond, sounds like a artifically Low Vowel,
in my own attempted pronunciation, but that may be due to the
Nasalization.
It is nice to know that some Americans at least can hear the
distinction?
Let me ask a tougher one. Can you here the difference between a Stand-
alone Schwa (Syllabic) and a dependant Schwa (Banana, Ghana, fantasy,
malaria, avocado, familiar, police, inte-resting)
Some examples of a a Stand-alone Schwa would be: (a, alligator,
oppose, away, above, holocaust, gasoline, idea, Gloria)
The a Stand-alone Schwa seems rarer than the dependant Schwa.
But it is always a dependant Schwa at the beginning of a word.
Stay Alert.
Regards, Paul V.
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--- In shawalphabet@yahoogroups.com, "dshepx" <dshep@g...> wrote:
> Rent a James Bond movie. One of the early ones featuring a
> Brit, not one with the latest actor in this role, as he has lived
> in Hollywood for several decades and moreover, I believe, is
> originally Irish. The secret of the short-o "on-box-pot" sound
> is that it is, unlike "ah", rounded, as can be heard in that
> cinematographically immortal declamation, "bOnd, james bOnd".
>
> All other back vowels (in English) are rounded; "ah" -- to the
> extent that it is a back vowel -- is the only exception, but may
> not always have been. By accident some time ago I heard a
> newsclip with the Evangelist Billy Graham. in the course of this
> summary of his recent activities there was a segment where he
> offered a prayer that included the invocation: "Our Father...".
> The "a" in his pronunciation of father, repeated several times,
> was well retracted and discernibly rounded. A little research
> revealed that he is from North Carolina, one of the long-settled
> states along the Atlantic seaboard, well away from the heartland
> interior where General American presumably reigns unmolested,
> a state generally thought of as conservative in habit and custom,
> and if his pronunciation is typical of that region, in speech as
> well.
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>
> > As an American speaker, I accept the fact that I use the "ah"
sound for the
> > British "On" sound.
> > In fact I can't really distinguish them.
> > But I have learned to accomodate the ineffable "On" sound.
> > Does anyone have the same problem?
> >

Hi Paige
I agree. Cursive Handwriting, Shorthand, Doodling, are all incredibly
sophisticated and non-intrusive methods of recording our ideas and
mental state, during crucial events in our life.
And they extend our Short Memory.
Also they do not break down or need new batteries at crucial moments,
requiring the interruption of a real-time event.
These manual systems can be complemented by the electronic systems.
for example the most sophisticated PDA (Palm Pilot) has a graffiti
interface.
Regards, Paul V.
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--- In shawalphabet@yahoogroups.com, Paige Gabhart <pgabhart@A...>
wrote:
> I believe what you are experiencing in writing some of the Shavian
> letters is what led Read to simplify some vowel shapes in
Quikscript.
> While some may view them as appearing less elegant in their printed
form
> than their Shavian equivalents, they are easier and faster to write
> accurately by hand. And despite what some people believe, I would
not
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will
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technology.
>
> Paige
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In shawalphabet@yahoogroups.com, Paige Gabhart wrote:


> > In my own case I have had to modify a couple of
> > other letters when writing by hand because of
> > simple ineptness, when in spite of considerable
> > practice with the letters in question i do not
> > seem to be able to produce any two examples
> > quite the same, an annoying circumstance that
> > tempts one to consider alternatives.
> >
> > regards,
> > dshep
> >
> >
> I believe what you are experiencing in writing some of
> the Shavian letters is what led Read to simplify some
> vowel shapes in Quikscript. While some may view them
> as appearing less elegant in their printed form than their
> Shavian equivalents, they are easier and faster to write
> accurately by hand. And despite what some people believe,
> I would not sell my stock in Papermate or Bic just yet as I
> believe handwriting will be in use indefinitely despite the
> proliferation of computer technology.
.
> Paige

You are probably right. I confess that i have always considered
QuickScript less interesting precisely because of the reason
stated, that it is to my eye less elegant in print, in appearance
more like a shorthand, and also because of the organizational
clarity of ShawScript, a clarity that could be i think of great
pedagogical importance if larger numbers of people are ever
to be enticed into learning and using it. But an alphabet easy,
or easier, to write by hand may very well have an undeniable
advantage, all things considered. I do think the letter quality
of QuickScript as it appears in Stewart Rosenberger's and Oliver
Langan’s impressive image-generation device (thank you very
much) is very good.

I certainly hope that handwriting does not become a lost art.
In my own experience i have found that the best results with
the Shaw alphabet are obtained by using a pen with an Italic
nib, one cut at an angle, which gives each letter a varying
width that is very pleasant to behold.

regards,
dshep

In shawalphabet@yahoogroups.com, "paul vandenbrink" wrote:

> Can you here the difference between a Stand-alone Schwa
> (Syllabic) and a dependant Schwa (Banana, Ghana, fantasy,
> malaria, avocado, familiar, police, inte-resting)
> Some examples of a a Stand-alone Schwa would be: (a, alligator,
> oppose, away, above, holocaust, gasoline, idea, Gloria)
> The a Stand-alone Schwa seems rarer than the dependant Schwa.
> But it is always a dependant Schwa at the beginning of a word.
> Stay Alert.
> Regards, Paul V.

I'm not sure that I can; I shall have to think about it.
Is there a difference?

regards,
dshep

Hi Shep
Of course there is a difference.
By the way, I made a mistake.
In fact it is
always a independant Schwa (Standalone) at the beginning of a word.
> > Stay Alert.
But who csres about syllable boundaries and stress anyway.
is it Yl-a-gEt-D
or Y-la-ge-tx?
Woe is me.
If only you guys had not stressed the importance of stress in Shavian
Spelling.
The world would be much simpler. (sim-pa-lD, simp-lx)

Regards, Paul V.
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--- In shawalphabet@yahoogroups.com, "dshepx" <dshep@g...> wrote:
>
> In shawalphabet@yahoogroups.com, "paul vandenbrink" wrote:
>
> > Can you here the difference between a Stand-alone Schwa
> > (Syllabic) and a dependant Schwa (Banana, Ghana, fantasy,
> > malaria, avocado, familiar, police, inte-resting)
> > Some examples of a a Stand-alone Schwa would be: (a, alligator,
> > oppose, away, above, holocaust, gasoline, idea, Gloria)
> > The a Stand-alone Schwa seems rarer than the dependant Schwa.
> > But it is always a dependant Schwa at the beginning of a word.
> > Stay Alert.
> > Regards, Paul V.
>
> I'm not sure that I can; I shall have to think about it.
> Is there a difference?
>
> regards,
> dshep

For letters we have:
Jackdaws love my big sphinx of quartz.
(shorter than 'the quick brown fox...)

For vowels:
Who would know aught of art must learn, act and then take his ease.
ooze - wool - oak - awe - on - ah - up - err - ash - ado - egg - age
- if - eat

Diphthongs:
Fear the poor outside the door.
ear - - - wool+array - out - ice - - - or

Beware of power; avoid desire.
eat - air - - - out+err - - - oil - - - ice+array

Taken from an old textbook. Hope it is of interest.
jb

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> -----Original Message-----
> From: shawalphabet@yahoogroups.com [mailto:shawalphabet@yahoogroups.com]
> On Behalf Of John Burrows
> Sent: 30 September 2005 12:01
> To: shawalphabet@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [shawalphabet] Vowel mnemonic
>
> For letters we have:
> Jackdaws love my big sphinx of quartz.
> (shorter than 'the quick brown fox...)
>
> For vowels:
> Who would know aught of art must learn, act and then take his ease.
> ooze - wool - oak - awe - on - ah - up - err - ash - ado - egg - age
^^ are
> - if - eat
>
> Diphthongs:
> Fear the poor outside the door.
> ear - - - wool+array - out - ice - - - or
>
> Beware of power; avoid desire.
> eat - air - - - out+err - - - oil - - - ice+array
^^^ array
>
> Taken from an old textbook. Hope it is of interest.
> jb

Hugh B

For Hugh & John Burrows
Thanks, they are very useful.
I am still trying to come up with something that uses all of the Shaw
Letters,
with Minimal redundancy. Maybe I can combine something from your vowel
samples.
Regards, Paul V.
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>From: "Hugh Birkenhead" <mixsynth@...>
>Reply-To: shawalphabet@yahoogroups.com
>To: <shawalphabet@yahoogroups.com>
>Subject: RE: [shawalphabet] Vowel mnemonic
>Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2005 14:37:48 +0100
>
>(You should read this reply in a fixed-width font!)
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: shawalphabet@yahoogroups.com [mailto:shawalphabet@yahoogroups.com]
> > On Behalf Of John Burrows
> > Sent: 30 September 2005 12:01
> > To: shawalphabet@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [shawalphabet] Vowel mnemonic
> >
> > For letters we have:
> > Jackdaws love my big sphinx of quartz.
> > (shorter than 'the quick brown fox...)
> >
> > For vowels:
> > Who would know aught of art must learn, act and then take his ease.
> > ooze - wool - oak - awe - on - ah - up - err - ash - ado - egg - age
> ^^ are
> > - if - eat
> >
> > Diphthongs:
> > Fear the poor outside the door.
> > ear - - - wool+array - out - ice - - - or
> >
> > Beware of power; avoid desire.
> > eat - air - - - out+err - - - oil - - - ice+array
> ^^^ array
> >
> > Taken from an old textbook. Hope it is of interest.

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Thanks, Hugh & Paul, for responding to the mnemonic.
I found it tricky to go through and identify with a copy of the check
card from Androcles in my hand.
I tried to find examples in the text of Androcles of words close to
mine.
Have recently gone through and checked selected words against a copy
of SOED.
It is on a laptop HD complete with pronunciation in audio and phonetics.

Two things struck me:

Shavian in Androcles clearly harks back to traditional spelling and
the appearance of words.
It also argues for consistency, but it was a normative age.
(I say dipthong and diphthong indiscriminately, if I say them at all
-- would like to spell accordingly)

Phonetic transcripts apply distinction between long and short vowels
too stringently.
In contrast the distinction between initial and final consonants is
not made.

All in all, a quick way to revise phonetics.
jb