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From: "paul vandenbrink" <pvandenbrink11@...>
Date: 2007-05-31 18:51:18 #
Subject: Re: wind/mind

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Hi Bob
It occurs to me that the Roman spelling "wind"
can represent 2 distinctly different English words.
wind & wFnd
What if the letters "wind" are poetic shorthand for
wFndiN paT
Would the poem still make sense?
Regards, Paul V.
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--- In shawalphabet@yahoogroups.com, RSRICHMOND@... wrote:
>
> This is an "eye rime", and an oft-used one. Emerson is echoing a
well known poem by John Donne whose first verse is
>
> Go, and catch a falling star,
> Get with child a mandrake root
> Tell me, where all past years are,
> Or who cleft the Devil’s foot,
> Teach me to hear mermaids singing,
> Or to keep off envy’s stinging,
> And find
> What wind
> Serves to advance an honest mind.
>
> Bob Richmond
> Knoxville TN
>

From: Star Raven <celestraof12worlds@...>
Date: 2007-05-31 19:15:41 #
Subject: Re: [shawalphabet] Re: standard spelling with shavian

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They do appendixes laporoscopically these days as well, sorry to hear about your mum though. They did have to stitch up my cat scratches, but those dissolve, and they taped the skin together. So really, I'm already recovered. I'm back to playing Dance Dance Revolution, and beating my husband. Now, for those in the colonies, what are nutters, wonks, toffs and boffins?

:)
--Star

========="Oh, how awful. Did he at least die painlessly? To shreds, you say. Well, how is his wife holding up? To shreds, you say."
--Professor Hubert Farnsworth, Futurama

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----- Original Message ----
From: paul vandenbrink <pvandenbrink11@...>
To: shawalphabet@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2007 2:21:46 PM
Subject: [shawalphabet] Re: standard spelling with shavian













Hi Star

Glad to hear that your digestive system is more robust than my mum's.

But of course she might have avoided giving me the whole story.

Hope your recovery goes well.

Wow only 2 staples. When they took my appendix they opened me up

like a clam. Probably 15 or 20 staples.

Take it easy. We definately need your opinion to balance out the

other Nutters, Wonks, Toffs and Boffins. Present company excluded,

of course.

Regards, Paul V.

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> Nope, no diet change. I went back to fast food within a week. I

just no longer have the mechanism for indigestion, instead, I should

get diarrhea, but I haven't tested that theory yet. I love meat too

much to be a vegetarian, and save for two titanium staples where a

major vessel and my cystic duct used to be, I'm just the same as

ever. Man, I love laporoscopy!

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> --Star

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> "Oh, how awful. Did he at least die painlessly? To shreds, you

say. Well, how is his wife holding up? To shreds, you say."

> --Professor Hubert Farnsworth,

Futurama

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> http://www.livejour nal.com/users/ wodentoad

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> ----- Original Message ----

> From: paul vandenbrink <pvandenbrink11@ ...>

> To: shawalphabet@ yahoogroups. com

> Sent: Monday, May 21, 2007 1:50:35 PM

> Subject: [shawalphabet] Re: standard spelling with shavian

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> The Gall of it all!

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> The worst is done. Here's hoping for a full recovery.

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> Take it easy. I hear if you lose your gall bladder

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> you have to give up Meat and other fatty food.

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> As a vegitarian myself let me assure a whole new world

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> It is a bit twisted and bare, and you won't believe

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> the variety of conversations about Brown rice.

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> But enuf said. Let me just say one word. Zantac.

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> Regards, Paul V.

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> > To: shawalphabet@ yahoogroups. com

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> > Subject: Re: [shawalphabet] Re: standard spelling with shavian

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From: "paul vandenbrink" <pvandenbrink11@...>
Date: 2007-06-03 16:22:46 #
Subject: Re: standard spelling with shavian

Toggle Shavian
Hi Star
Hey, I am sorry that I used those words to describe any of our
readership.
I was just showing off my knowledge of Brit Slang.
Which is risky because because you never know the real
emotionally connotation of a word unless you grow up in that culture.
My Dad who was born and brought up in Holland, and who constantly
polishes his English, says swear words are the only thing he has
trouble getting right. (hey, I just though he was very polite and
formal (priggish in Brit Slang equivalent))
So here is the approximate American equivalents.
nutter = eccentrics, oddball, wacko, crazy like a fox,
brick shy a load
wonk or wonkette = expert, hair-splitter, rule fanatic, nerd
toff = High-brows, Upper Class Gents, Bright Young Things
swot= grind, nerd
boffin = Egghead
I was trying to find the British equivalent of Geek, but there
doesn't seem to one. Let the world breathe a sigh of relief,
geekdom has not yet conquered Britain.
Regards, Paul V.
P.S. I would consider America to be an ex-colony myself.
The whole colony thing, kind of ended after world war II at American
(FDR) insistance.
______________________________attached________________________
--- In shawalphabet@yahoogroups.com, Star Raven
<celestraof12worlds@...> wrote:
>
> They do appendixes laporoscopically these days as well, sorry to
hear about your mum though. They did have to stitch up my cat
scratches, but those dissolve, and they taped the skin together. So
really, I'm already recovered. I'm back to playing Dance Dance
Revolution, and beating my husband. Now, for those in the colonies,
what are nutters, wonks, toffs and boffins?

From: John Warner <johncrwarner@...>
Date: 2007-06-03 17:09:45 #
Subject: Re: [shawalphabet] Re: standard spelling with shavian

Toggle Shavian
Sorry to intrude her but as a Brit on this list - I was slightly amused
and bemused by the original e-mail with references to British slang or
as I would say British English.

On Sun, 2007-06-03 at 16:22 +0000, paul vandenbrink wrote:
> Hi Star
> Hey, I am sorry that I used those words to describe any of our
> readership.
> I was just showing off my knowledge of Brit Slang.
> Which is risky because because you never know the real
> emotionally connotation of a word unless you grow up in that culture.
> My Dad who was born and brought up in Holland, and who constantly
> polishes his English, says swear words are the only thing he has
> trouble getting right. (hey, I just though he was very polite and
> formal (priggish in Brit Slang equivalent))

Priggish carries a very negative connotation - people you dislike are
"priggish" otherwise they are quiet and demure.


> So here is the approximate American equivalents.
> nutter = eccentrics, oddball, wacko, crazy like a fox,
> brick shy a load

basically a mad person rather than just an eccentric - often used in
common parlance to mean some one who is mad and has a hint of violence
in their manner i.e. "he was a bit of a nutter"

> wonk or wonkette = expert, hair-splitter, rule fanatic, nerd

wonk isn't as far as I am aware a British English expression - as I
recall it is an import from the USA where it is connected with people
who are fascinated with rules and the small print of government policy.

I did find a UK drugs reference to ketamine but I obviously move in the
wrong circles to know about that.


> toff = High-brows, Upper Class Gents, Bright Young Things

Toffs are upper class and actually the dimmer upper classes in
particular. So the reference to high-brows is a little off the mark
there.

> swot= grind, nerd

The word "swot" originates in the school rooms of the late nineteenth
and early twentieth century and is a description again not a flattering
one to describe the clever or the hard working - the ideal (from the
viewpoint of the user of this world was the loafer who was naturally
gifted academically and on the sports field)

> boffin = Egghead

Boffin is an egghead - but sounds quite old-fashioned to me - very
fifties - "okay chaps, lets ask the boffins" - usually associated with
"boffins in the backroom" - a phrase that might have a little more
currency that "boffin" on its own.


> I was trying to find the British equivalent of Geek, but there
> doesn't seem to one. Let the world breathe a sigh of relief,
> geekdom has not yet conquered Britain.

Sadly geek is used a great deal in the UK as well - it has arrived
though an "anorak" as noun describing a person is possibly an equivalent
- stemming from train spotters etc often are seen wearing anoraks.


> Regards, Paul V.
> P.S. I would consider America to be an ex-colony myself.
> The whole colony thing, kind of ended after world war II at American
> (FDR) insistance.

The rebel colonies have their own empire now I feel LOL

John Warner

>

From: Star Raven <celestraof12worlds@...>
Date: 2007-06-04 13:18:28 #
Subject: Re: [shawalphabet] Re: standard spelling with shavian

Toggle Shavian
Oh honey, I thought it was great, I laughed about it with my husband because, when we take reality into account, we really are a bunch of raving nutters to think that we will ever convert the world from TO, but who knows, this might be one of those Black Swans I've read about that for no apparent reason, takes off and becomes the new method of writing.

But we keep fighting the good fight.
--Star


========="Oh, how awful. Did he at least die painlessly? To shreds, you say. Well, how is his wife holding up? To shreds, you say."
--Professor Hubert Farnsworth, Futurama

http://www.livejournal.com/users/wodentoad

----- Original Message ----
From: paul vandenbrink <pvandenbrink11@...>
To: shawalphabet@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, June 3, 2007 12:22:35 PM
Subject: [shawalphabet] Re: standard spelling with shavian













Hi Star

Hey, I am sorry that I used those words to describe any of our

readership.

I was just showing off my knowledge of Brit Slang.

Which is risky because because you never know the real

emotionally connotation of a word unless you grow up in that culture.

My Dad who was born and brought up in Holland, and who constantly

polishes his English, says swear words are the only thing he has

trouble getting right. (hey, I just though he was very polite and

formal (priggish in Brit Slang equivalent))

So here is the approximate American equivalents.

nutter = eccentrics, oddball, wacko, crazy like a fox,

brick shy a load

wonk or wonkette = expert, hair-splitter, rule fanatic, nerd

toff = High-brows, Upper Class Gents, Bright Young Things

swot= grind, nerd

boffin = Egghead

I was trying to find the British equivalent of Geek, but there

doesn't seem to one. Let the world breathe a sigh of relief,

geekdom has not yet conquered Britain.

Regards, Paul V.

P.S. I would consider America to be an ex-colony myself.

The whole colony thing, kind of ended after world war II at American

(FDR) insistance.

____________ _________ _________ attached_ _________ _________ _____

--- In shawalphabet@ yahoogroups. com, Star Raven

<celestraof12worlds @...> wrote:

>

> They do appendixes laporoscopically these days as well, sorry to

hear about your mum though. They did have to stitch up my cat

scratches, but those dissolve, and they taped the skin together. So

really, I'm already recovered. I'm back to playing Dance Dance

Revolution, and beating my husband. Now, for those in the colonies,

what are nutters, wonks, toffs and boffins?














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From: "karen greysen" <karen.grey@...>
Date: 2007-06-04 18:02:29 #
Subject: Re: standard spelling with shavian

Toggle Shavian
TANks fOr H blAk swon referens. --wikipIdia. wI liv on An
eksperimental plAnet v kreEtiv mAnifestESon. in H 10,000,000 wOrldz v
/nebadon Yl TiNz or posibel. --kEren.
--- In shawalphabet@yahoogroups.com, Star Raven <celestraof12worlds@...>
wrote:
>
> Oh honey, I thought it was great, I laughed about it with my husband
because, when we take reality into account, we really are a bunch of
raving nutters to think that we will ever convert the world from TO, but
who knows, this might be one of those Black Swans I've read about that
for no apparent reason, takes off and becomes the new method of writing.
>
> But we keep fighting the good fight.
> --Star
>
>
> ==========
> "Oh, how awful. Did he at least die painlessly? To shreds, you say.
Well, how is his wife holding up? To shreds, you say."
> --Professor Hubert Farnsworth, Futurama
>
> http://www.livejournal.com/users/wodentoad
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: paul vandenbrink pvandenbrink11@...
> To: shawalphabet@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Sunday, June 3, 2007 12:22:35 PM
> Subject: [shawalphabet] Re: standard spelling with shavian
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Hi Star
>
> Hey, I am sorry that I used those words to describe any of our
>
> readership.
>
> I was just showing off my knowledge of Brit Slang.
>
> Which is risky because because you never know the real
>
> emotionally connotation of a word unless you grow up in that culture.
>
> My Dad who was born and brought up in Holland, and who constantly
>
> polishes his English, says swear words are the only thing he has
>
> trouble getting right. (hey, I just though he was very polite and
>
> formal (priggish in Brit Slang equivalent))
>
> So here is the approximate American equivalents.
>
> nutter = eccentrics, oddball, wacko, crazy like a fox,
>
> brick shy a load
>
> wonk or wonkette = expert, hair-splitter, rule fanatic, nerd
>
> toff = High-brows, Upper Class Gents, Bright Young Things
>
> swot= grind, nerd
>
> boffin = Egghead
>
> I was trying to find the British equivalent of Geek, but there
>
> doesn't seem to one. Let the world breathe a sigh of relief,
>
> geekdom has not yet conquered Britain.
>
> Regards, Paul V.
>
> P.S. I would consider America to be an ex-colony myself.
>
> The whole colony thing, kind of ended after world war II at American
>
> (FDR) insistance.
>
> ____________ _________ _________ attached_ _________ _________ _____
>
> --- In shawalphabet@ yahoogroups. com, Star Raven
>
> <celestraof12worlds @...> wrote:
>
> >
>
> > They do appendixes laporoscopically these days as well, sorry to
>
> hear about your mum though. They did have to stitch up my cat
>
> scratches, but those dissolve, and they taped the skin together. So
>
> really, I'm already recovered. I'm back to playing Dance Dance
>
> Revolution, and beating my husband. Now, for those in the colonies,
>
> what are nutters, wonks, toffs and boffins?
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From: Star Raven <celestraof12worlds@...>
Date: 2007-06-05 11:47:19 #
Subject: Re: [shawalphabet] Re: standard spelling with shavian

Toggle Shavian
Heh, you know this is what the internet is about: eliminating the borders between peoples and expanding language, that's also what shavian is about. I believe, and correct me if I'm wrong here, that Shaw wanted English as a language to evolve as other languages have, instead of allowing TO to stagnate it. Ahh, crazy though we may be, the lunatic fringe does make a valid point. What can I say, it's why I hang around you guys :)

Ain't life grand?
--Star

========="Oh, how awful. Did he at least die painlessly? To shreds, you say. Well, how is his wife holding up? To shreds, you say."
--Professor Hubert Farnsworth, Futurama

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----- Original Message ----
From: John Warner <johncrwarner@...>
To: shawalphabet@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, June 3, 2007 1:08:40 PM
Subject: Re: [shawalphabet] Re: standard spelling with shavian













Sorry to intrude her but as a Brit on this list - I was slightly amused

and bemused by the original e-mail with references to British slang or

as I would say British English.



On Sun, 2007-06-03 at 16:22 +0000, paul vandenbrink wrote:

> Hi Star

> Hey, I am sorry that I used those words to describe any of our

> readership.

> I was just showing off my knowledge of Brit Slang.

> Which is risky because because you never know the real

> emotionally connotation of a word unless you grow up in that culture.

> My Dad who was born and brought up in Holland, and who constantly

> polishes his English, says swear words are the only thing he has

> trouble getting right. (hey, I just though he was very polite and

> formal (priggish in Brit Slang equivalent))



Priggish carries a very negative connotation - people you dislike are

"priggish" otherwise they are quiet and demure.



> So here is the approximate American equivalents.

> nutter = eccentrics, oddball, wacko, crazy like a fox,

> brick shy a load



basically a mad person rather than just an eccentric - often used in

common parlance to mean some one who is mad and has a hint of violence

in their manner i.e. "he was a bit of a nutter"



> wonk or wonkette = expert, hair-splitter, rule fanatic, nerd



wonk isn't as far as I am aware a British English expression - as I

recall it is an import from the USA where it is connected with people

who are fascinated with rules and the small print of government policy.



I did find a UK drugs reference to ketamine but I obviously move in the

wrong circles to know about that.



> toff = High-brows, Upper Class Gents, Bright Young Things



Toffs are upper class and actually the dimmer upper classes in

particular. So the reference to high-brows is a little off the mark

there.



> swot= grind, nerd



The word "swot" originates in the school rooms of the late nineteenth

and early twentieth century and is a description again not a flattering

one to describe the clever or the hard working - the ideal (from the

viewpoint of the user of this world was the loafer who was naturally

gifted academically and on the sports field)



> boffin = Egghead



Boffin is an egghead - but sounds quite old-fashioned to me - very

fifties - "okay chaps, lets ask the boffins" - usually associated with

"boffins in the backroom" - a phrase that might have a little more

currency that "boffin" on its own.



> I was trying to find the British equivalent of Geek, but there

> doesn't seem to one. Let the world breathe a sigh of relief,

> geekdom has not yet conquered Britain.



Sadly geek is used a great deal in the UK as well - it has arrived

though an "anorak" as noun describing a person is possibly an equivalent

- stemming from train spotters etc often are seen wearing anoraks.



> Regards, Paul V.

> P.S. I would consider America to be an ex-colony myself.

> The whole colony thing, kind of ended after world war II at American

> (FDR) insistance.



The rebel colonies have their own empire now I feel LOL



John Warner



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From: "paul vandenbrink" <pvandenbrink11@...>
Date: 2007-06-05 14:36:55 #
Subject: Re: standard spelling with shavian

Toggle Shavian
Hi John
Thanks for clarifying.
Obviously my information was a little spotty.
Regards, Paul V.
P.S. For people not familiar with Anorak, It is an Eskimo word for
an outer coat worn in extreme cold temperatures. It was modernized
and popularized by Mountain Climbers and Cross Country Skiiers.
Without the warm inner lining it can be worn anywhere and anytime.
It is water resistant, but not rubberized.
It usually has huge pockets inside and out and a hood.
In Canada, we are intimately familar with Anoraks and Toques, our
national head gear in the winter.
P.P.S. Hegemony, Empire, patEto, potAtO
_______________________attached________________________________
--- In shawalphabet@yahoogroups.com, John Warner <johncrwarner@...>
wrote:
>
> Sorry to intrude her but as a Brit on this list - I was slightly
amused
> and bemused by the original e-mail with references to British
slang or
> as I would say British English.
>
> On Sun, 2007-06-03 at 16:22 +0000, paul vandenbrink wrote:
> > Hi Star
> > Hey, I am sorry that I used those words to describe any of our
> > readership.
> > I was just showing off my knowledge of Brit Slang.
> > Which is risky because because you never know the real
> > emotionally connotation of a word unless you grow up in that
culture.
> > My Dad who was born and brought up in Holland, and who constantly
> > polishes his English, says swear words are the only thing he has
> > trouble getting right. (hey, I just though he was very polite
and
> > formal (priggish in Brit Slang equivalent))
>
> Priggish carries a very negative connotation - people you dislike
are
> "priggish" otherwise they are quiet and demure.
>
>
> > So here is the approximate American equivalents.
> > nutter = eccentrics, oddball, wacko, crazy like a fox,
> > brick shy a load
>
> basically a mad person rather than just an eccentric - often used
in
> common parlance to mean some one who is mad and has a hint of
violence
> in their manner i.e. "he was a bit of a nutter"
>
> > wonk or wonkette = expert, hair-splitter, rule fanatic, nerd
>
> wonk isn't as far as I am aware a British English expression - as I
> recall it is an import from the USA where it is connected with
people
> who are fascinated with rules and the small print of government
policy.
>
> I did find a UK drugs reference to ketamine but I obviously move
in the
> wrong circles to know about that.
>
>
> > toff = High-brows, Upper Class Gents, Bright Young Things
>
> Toffs are upper class and actually the dimmer upper classes in
> particular. So the reference to high-brows is a little off the mark
> there.
>
> > swot= grind, nerd
>
> The word "swot" originates in the school rooms of the late
nineteenth
> and early twentieth century and is a description again not a
flattering
> one to describe the clever or the hard working - the ideal (from
the
> viewpoint of the user of this world was the loafer who was
naturally
> gifted academically and on the sports field)
>
> > boffin = Egghead
>
> Boffin is an egghead - but sounds quite old-fashioned to me - very
> fifties - "okay chaps, lets ask the boffins" - usually associated
with
> "boffins in the backroom" - a phrase that might have a little more
> currency that "boffin" on its own.
>
>
> > I was trying to find the British equivalent of Geek, but there
> > doesn't seem to one. Let the world breathe a sigh of relief,
> > geekdom has not yet conquered Britain.
>
> Sadly geek is used a great deal in the UK as well - it has arrived
> though an "anorak" as noun describing a person is possibly an
equivalent
> - stemming from train spotters etc often are seen wearing anoraks.
>
>
> > Regards, Paul V.
> > P.S. I would consider America to be an ex-colony myself.
> > The whole colony thing, kind of ended after world war II at
American
> > (FDR) insistance.
>
> The rebel colonies have their own empire now I feel LOL

From: "paul vandenbrink" <pvandenbrink11@...>
Date: 2007-06-05 15:04:48 #
Subject: Re: standard spelling with shavian

Toggle Shavian
Hi Star
It may be cooler to say w (w+wh words)
for Question words
but it is more accurate to say (h+hw words)
because then you can include How and Who which are
both pronounced with an aspirate (h-sound).
Warm Regards, Paul V.
________________attached_________________
--- In shawalphabet@yahoogroups.com, Star Raven
<celestraof12worlds@...> wrote:
>
> Ethan,
>
> It was probably aesthetic :) wouldn't it be better to say the five
w's instead of five h's? W's are cooler.

From: dshep <dshep@...>
Date: 2007-06-10 21:48:14 #
Subject: Re: Standard spelling with Shavian

Toggle Shavian
--- In shawalphabet@yahoogroups.com, "yahya_melb" wrote

> yes, there's an "h" in my name, but very few Aussies can
> pronounce it in a medial intervocalic position; funnily, tho,
> they have no trouble saying "It's so hot!" - YA

So, ya-hya, not yah-ya, would that be correct? Probably most people
looking at that see the word "ah" therein and pronounce accordingly.
The only instance I can think of where the cluster \hy\ occurs is in
blues music where you can frequently hear "here" pronounced, usually
forcefully (and I think melodically), as \hyeah\. It easily occurs
inter-
vocally too, as in " see hyeah." I think this to be a relic
pronunciation.
Perhaps related is the New York pronunciation of "human" and "humour"
as "yuman" and " yumer," sometimes with a hint of an initial \h\.

"yahya_melb" also earlier wrote about the different pronunciations of
\ear\ in Australian and Malaysian English. Please correct me if wrong,
but would not both be non-rhotic? The one Australian word containing
that sound that I am most familiar with is "beer", which to my ear
sounds
like \BEEah\. Again, set me straight if mistaken.

non-antipodally,
dshep