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I tried all four fonts in MS Word 2007 on Windows XP. They all worked fine.

--Ph. D.


----- Original Message -----
From: Michael Everson
To: shawalphabet@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, March 15, 2010 11:21 AM
Subject: [shawalphabet] The standard font is not standard!



Phillip,

It's probably best to change the name of the font so that the font headers are compliant with today's norms. But I've had an even better idea.

I am amalgamating together Shaw Sans No. 2 and Shaw Sans No. 3 into:

Shaw Sans Standard

where No. 3 is the bold face for No. 2. I am also adding an Oblique and a Bold Oblique. I used Free Sans for the Latin glyphs, which support basic MacRoman and Windows 1252.

I would like these to be tested, to make sure they all work.

Please see http://www.evertype.com/fonts/shavian/ShawSansStandard.zip

The licence for the fonts says "Free for personal and commercial use. May not be sold." -- there was no other notice in the older fonts.

Michael Everson * http://www.evertype.com/

*1) Copyrights: *Some works have been suggested (on and off the list) for
Shavian editions.

If a work is in the public domain, this can happen. This includes works
published before 1923, such as *Androcles* itself, *Alice*, *Leaves of Grass
*, and anything from Shakespeare, Dickens, etc., as well as works explicitly
placed in the public domain such as the World English Bible. (This is the
Bible translation we've used on the Shavian wiki.)

If it's still under copyright, it would need the permission of the copyright
holders. This includes *Winnie the Pooh*, *Le Petit Prince*, any of the
Harry Potter books, and so on. I doubt many publishers would give such
permission, though I suppose it's not impossible.

A good way of finding public-domain works is by going to
http://www.gutenberg.org/wiki/Main_Page and searching for them. If Project
Gutenberg is allowed to distribute it, then we are probably allowed to make
a Shavian version.

*2) Fury: *If anyone is interested, I will polish up the basic typesetter I
used to produce the chapters of *Alice* and release it. I think it will use
a slight adaptation of Docbook syntax as source. For example, something
like this:

<poetry>
<linegroup>
<line>When I was one-and-twenty</line>
<line>I heard a wise man say</line>
<line>"Give crowns and pounds and guineas</line>
<line>But not your heart away;</line>
<line>Give pearls away and rubies</line>
<line>But keep your fancy free."</line>
<line>But I was one-and-twenty,</line>
<line>No <fury:dab s="𐑿𐑕"/>use to talk to me.</line>
</linegroup>
</poetry>

All the words except "use" can be automatically transliterated, but since
"use" can be 𐑿𐑕 or 𐑿𐑟, the program will halt with an error unless you
disambiguate it.

Thomas

Hi Thomas
Sounds good that you are taking on the Shavian org Domain.
Are you going to have a page of Links to other Shavian sites?
I have heard that it can improve your position in the the Google search result list, if you have links to other sites.
It will make your site more visible.
Regards, Paul V.
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--- In shawalphabet@yahoogroups.com, Thomas Thurman <tthurman@...> wrote:
>
> On 15 March 2010 18:44, pvandenbrink11 <vandenbrinkg@...> wrote:
>
> > I'd like to keep the shavian.org web-site going.
> >
> > Philip has set up the ownership of shavian.org to pass to me, which should
> happen in a few days. When that happens, I think I will move the content on
> shavian.org.uk to shavian.org and make shavian.org.uk into a redirect.
>
> I will add a page of links so that this useful function of shavian.org is
> retained. Do people have any other suggestions?
>
> Thomas
>

Thomas and I have talked about this and I have proposed to publish a Shaw alphabet edition as part of my series of editions of Alice in Wonderland books -- see http://alice-in-wonderland-books.com for examples.

Never being one to do things the easy way, in order to do a proper job I want to set the book in the same font that my other books use — De Vinne, Liberty, Mona Lisa Recut, and Engraver's Roman. So I've been working on Shavianizing these.

It's a fair bit of work. The diphthongs are the hardest. For it to work however, we'll need people to have a good look at it, to make sure it reads well. So over the next while I'll make some PDFs available for scrutiny.

How does that sound?

To start, here are two files which differ in the shapes of four letters. Test-2 was the first one, but it seemed to me that the "ball ornament" was very distraction, and it seemed that simplifying it for SO, ZOO, MIME and NUN would be a good idea.

http://www.evertype.com/fonts/shavian/shavian-test-2.pdf

http://www.evertype.com/fonts/shavian/shavian-test-3.pdf


Michael Everson * http://www.evertype.com/

To be honest, if this was used as an italic form, great, but as pages and pages (and /Alice/ is NOT a short work) go by, you'd go cross-eyed from attempting to read this. Just my aesthetic views on reading long portions of this. Otherwise, it really does *look* great.

--Star

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>
>From: Michael Everson <everson@evertype.com>
>To: shawalphabet@yahoogroups.com
>Sent: Wed, March 31, 2010 5:43:47 PM
>Subject: Re: [shawalphabet] Re: Alice in Shavian
>
> >
>>
>
>To start, here are two files which differ in the shapes of four letters. Test-2 was the first one, but it seemed to me that the "ball ornament" was very distraction, and it seemed that simplifying it for SO, ZOO, MIME and NUN would be a good idea.
>
>http://www.evertype.com/fonts/shavian/shavian-test-2.pdf
>
>http://www.evertype.com/fonts/shavian/shavian-test-3.pdf
>
>>Michael Everson * http://www.evertype.com/
>
>
>

On 1 Apr 2010, at 00:02, Star Raven wrote:

> To be honest, if this was used as an italic form, great, but as pages and pages (and /Alice/ is NOT a short work) go by, you'd go cross-eyed from attempting to read this. Just my aesthetic views on reading long portions of this. Otherwise, it really does *look* great.

Fair enough, but not very helpful in terms of improving the design. I suspect the problem is the ball finials. Can you compare the SO, ZOO, MIME, and NUN characters in the two?

Michael Everson * http://www.evertype.com/

Individually, the letters are beautiful. I actually like the finials on the so, zoo, mime and nun, and if used sparingly as a special text, a bit like some of the fancier script-y fonts, it would be awesome. Really nice work design-wise.

I'll get back to my work on Dracula again as soon as summer hits and my plan for easing the learning curve, which is inline usage as opposed to opposite page. I'll post a PDF as soon as I'm sure the work will transfer.

--Star

==========
"If you mess with a thing long enough, it'll break."
--Murphy's Laws of Combat.


My LJ: http://wodentoad.livejournal.com
Or: http://community.livejournal.com/housewyfs_home/


>
>From: Michael Everson <everson@...>
>To: shawalphabet@yahoogroups.com
>Sent: Wed, March 31, 2010 7:22:07 PM
>Subject: Re: [shawalphabet] Re: Alice in Shavian
>
> >
>>
>
>On 1 Apr 2010, at 00:02, Star Raven wrote:
>
>>> To be honest, if this was used as an italic form, great, but as pages and pages (and /Alice/ is NOT a short work) go by, you'd go cross-eyed from attempting to read this. Just my aesthetic views on reading long portions of this. Otherwise, it really does *look* great.
>
>>Fair enough, but not very helpful in terms of improving the design. I suspect the problem is the ball finials. Can you compare the SO, ZOO, MIME, and NUN characters in the two?
>
>>Michael Everson * http://www.evertype.com/
>
>
>

Here is a draft the cover.

http://www.evertype.com/fonts/shavian/shaw-draft-cover.pdf

To put in perspective how exacting I am hoping to be.. see the ER and the L in "Wonderland"? It's just "c" and "turned-c". But I will have to move the counter (the hole) in the reversed "c" to the left in order to make the font work (compare the counters in "o").

There's not so much text in this particular display font, but I think (if I may say so) that it looks pretty good.

Michael Everson * http://www.evertype.com/

On 1 Apr 2010, at 02:22, Star Raven wrote:

> Individually, the letters are beautiful. I actually like the finials on the so, zoo, mime and nun, and if used sparingly as a special text, a bit like some of the fancier script-y fonts, it would be awesome. Really nice work design-wise.

Well, since De Vinne is the book text, what I need to do is make it less ornate, which I think means stripping most of the ball finials from most of the letters.

> I'll get back to my work on Dracula again as soon as summer hits and my plan for easing the learning curve, which is inline usage as opposed to opposite page. I'll post a PDF as soon as I'm sure the work will transfer.

I'm not planning to have opposite-page presentation throughout the book though, just opposite the first page.

Michael Everson * http://www.evertype.com/