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--- In shawalphabet@yahoogroups.com, --- Michael Everson <everson@...>
wrote:
>
> Is it possible to get better scans of that source > material? Where
was it published previously?

Intriguing, isn't it?
That was the best I could do with an ordinary scanner, but I shall try
to wheedle some professional assistance. This was printed in a 16-page
pamphlet (I've added a picture of the cover to the files) that was
written for an exhibition of Read's work at the University of Readingin
1972. This may be a reduced-size version as some ofthe print is very
small indeed.
Copies (so it states) may be obtained from the Typography Unit,
University of Reading, RG6 2AU.But that was some time ago.
If I can find a better scanner I shall risk copyrightinfringement and
scan all of it.
dshep

Can you give the title and bibliographic details?

On 7 Nov 2011, at 17:26, dshepx wrote:

>
> --- In shawalphabet@yahoogroups.com,
>
> --- Michael Everson <everson@...> wrote:
> >
> > Is it possible to get better scans of that source
> > material? Where was it published previously?
>
> Intriguing, isn't it?
>
> That was the best I could do with an ordinary scanner,
> but I shall try to wheedle some professional assistance.
> This was printed in a 16-page pamphlet (I've added a
> picture of the cover to the files) that was written for an
> exhibition of Read's work at the University of Reading
> in 1972. This may be a reduced-size version as some of
> the print is very small indeed.
>
> Copies (so it states) may be obtained from the
> Typography Unit, University of Reading, RG6 2AU.
> But that was some time ago.
>
> If I can find a better scanner I shall risk copyright
> infringement and scan all of it.
>
> dshep
>
>
>
>
>
>

Michael Everson * http://www.evertype.com/

--- In shawalphabet@yahoogroups.com, --- Michael Everson <everson@...>
wrote:
>
> Can you give the title and bibliographic details?

Kingsley ReadSound-writingGeorge Bernard Shaw and a modern alphabet
Author and title, and there's no other information except this statement
printed on the title sheet:
Written for an exhibitionin the Library of the University of Reading1972
This was I imagine before ISBN designations.
Just an exhibition catalogue, dshep

Compare my last posting as it appears as a Yahoo-group page,

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/shawalphabet/message/3177

which was in the form of a direct reply to a previous posting
in the Yahoo group, with the run-together version that appears
n the e-mail digest. Why does this happen?

dshep

Better scans of the four winning entries in the Shaw Alphabet
competition are now available at

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/shawalphabet/photos/album/854448787/pic/li\
st

dshep

What is the default font for Shavian?

On Unifon, it is possible for readers to post comments in Unifon. You
just have
to download and install the Unifon font. There is a default font that
everyone uses so
you do not have to install 12 different fonts as is often the case with
Shavian.

Those participating in this group should download the latest Unifon
fonts <http://www.unifon.org/Unifon-K-2005.ttf>
so you can view something other than the keyboard entry code. (shown
below)

Dis iz u Sxrt sampul uv Ynifon.

To view Unifon without downloading the font, open
www.unifon.org/convert.htm <http://www.unifon.org/convert.htm> using
MS Explorer.


Currently, what is the closest thing you have to a default font at the
present?

Simulated Unifon (something that is not possible in Shavian)

UNLES U RED ÐIS IN RI¢ TEKST, U WIL MIS HAF UV ÐU KONTENT.
unles Y rEd Dis in riK tekst, Y wil mis haf uv Du kontent UNLES U̲
RƗD ЋIS IN RIȻ TEKST, U̲ WIL MIS HAF UV ЋU
KONTENT



Here are some new ones to me that can be downloaded:
http://www.wazu.jp/gallery/Fonts_Shavian.html
<http://www.wazu.jp/gallery/Fonts_Shavian.html>
Code2001 is available here: http://www.cs.tut.fi/~jkorpela/code2001.html
<http://www.cs.tut.fi/%7Ejkorpela/code2001.html>
Everson Mono is here: http://www.evertype.com/emono/
<http://www.evertype.com/emono/>



The corrected Keyboard Code for Shavian:
ptkfTsScjNPeepTotKickFeeTHighSoSureCHurCHYeaHa-Ha1bdgvHzZJwhBibDeadGagVo\
wTHeyZoomeaSureJudgeWoehuNG1lmieAaoUQyLollMimeIfEgg2AshAdoOnwOOlOUtAHrnI\
EFuOMqYRoarNunEAtAgeIceUpOAkOOzeOilAWE
RPXxDCWV

AREORERR3AIRARray4EARIAnYEW


1. Ha-ha and Hung have had their symbols swapped
2. Egg is actually pronounced like Ed
3. ERR and AIR have had their symbols swapped
4. Array is actually pronounced like the 'er' in Manner
See: Converting TraditionalToCorrected

--- In shawalphabet@yahoogroups.com, AJT <ajt91910@...> wrote:
>
> I am a tad bit deficient in surfing to the place where I could find
the Shaw script fonts referred to. Can you point me to the right url?
Thanks for any help. I cannot seem to get past the "python scripting
error" on the Shawvian translation page and I would like to know how to
put the shaw script (and/or various fonts thereof) on my iMac and
netbook.
>
> Herb Moran

> >> I've recently added filehosting to my blog about Shavian and
Quickscript and am looking around for the people who have made the
awesome Unicode fonts around here. I just want to make sure you are cool
with me showing your work to a wider audience.

> > I have prepared several fonts for an edition of Alice's Adventures
in Wonderland in the Shaw Alphabet. I need feedback from readers as to
their suitability, however. This means general comments on legibility as
well as specific comments about the shapes of individual characters.

> > Michael Everson * http://www.evertype.com/

On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 23:00, stbett <stbett@...> wrote:
>
> What is the default font for Shavian?
>
> On Unifon, it is possible for readers to post comments in Unifon.  You just have
> to download and install the Unifon font.  There is a default font that everyone uses so
> you do not have to install 12 different fonts as is often the case with Shavian.

Shavian has had official Unicode code points for quite some time now.
Any font covering the Shaw Alphabet range of Unicode will be able to
display Unicode Shavian.

For that reason, I do not believe that _specific_ fonts are necessary.

In the past, particular fonts were popular, and people would
explicitly name them with "font face" commands or similar, so you
ideally needed to have those installed. But now, no font need be
specified; as long as you have a Shavian-capable font, you should be
able to read Shavian if the tool you use to view the text (for
example, a browser, in the case of a web page, or of an email message
viewed via webmail) has the capability of automatically determining an
appropriate font based on the Unicode code points in the text or if
you can configure a specific font for a given Unicode range.

Needing to install a _particular_ font in order to read something
(say, Unifon) is a disadvantage, I think. Ideally, one should be able
to install _any_ font covering a given range, giving users the freedom
to pick any font they like (for example, based on the look of it or
the number of other Unicode ranges it covers).

> Those participating in this group should download the latest Unifon fonts
> so you can view something other than the keyboard entry code. (shown below)

Those participating in this group (meaning the "shawalphabet" Yahoo
Group) should, ideally, use Unicode Shavian.

Whether they enter it using a "character map" application, an online
transliterator, a custom keyboard layout, or some other way, is up to
the individual member - this is, unfortunately, an area which I think
is still a bit suboptimal.

Using normal "abc" letters and relying on a font to turn those into
"ado-bib-church" is a thing of the 1990s.

> Simulated Unifon  (something that is not possible in Shavian)

I'm not sure what the point of that parenthetical remark is?

It looks as if it's a jab at Shavian, while it simply boils down to
"Unifon looks similar to the Latin alphabet; Shavian does not".

You can simulate some bits of Shavian just fine - for example the
Latin letters "v o c" look similar to Shavian "wool oak loll".

> Ha-ha and Hung have had their symbols swapped
> ERR and AIR have had their symbols swapped

I'd appreciate it if this old debate is not re-opened.

> Egg is actually pronounced like Ed
> Array is actually pronounced like the 'er' in Manner

Those mnemonics work well for me, who speak a variety of British
English; though I suppose they might not be perfect for all of
English.

Cheers,
Philip
--
Philip Newton <philip.newton@...>

On 22 Nov 2011, at 22:00, stbett wrote:

> What is the default font for Shavian?

There isn't one, now that Shavian is encoded in Unicode. You might find Everson Mono to be useful, as it contains many lesser-used characters including Shavian. See http://evertype.com/emono

> On Unifon, it is possible for readers to post comments in Unifon. You just have
> to download and install the Unifon font.

The problem is that the text written in the "unifon font" isn't written in Unifon, but in an ASCII hack. When you write "Dis iz u Sxrt sampul uv Ynifon", "D" is just a d, and S is just an s, and x is the letter x, not a vowel.

To write Shavian you don't kneed a "keyboard code". That term doesn't really mean what you think it does.

In the old days before Unicode, people just swapped in whatever glyphs they wanted to replace ASCII and Latin-1 characters. So when you were writing Russian, it wasn't really Russian, but some sort of mapping of Russian shapes onto Latin letters.

There's a Wikipedia article about this practice: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volapuk_encoding

To write Shavian, you need a Shavian Unicode font, and you need a keyboard *driver*. I have a handy keyboard driver for the Mac. I don't know what is available for Windows or Linux.

As we've discussed on the Unifon list, there are two ways of looking at Unifon... one is as a separate script, and the other is as a set of extensions to Latin.

Michael Everson * http://www.evertype.com/

On 23 Nov 2011, at 10:07, Philip Newton wrote:

> For that reason, I do not believe that _specific_ fonts are necessary.

Keyboard drivers are, though.

Michael Everson * http://www.evertype.com/

On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 12:11, Michael Everson <everson@...> wrote:
> On 23 Nov 2011, at 10:07, Philip Newton wrote:
>
>> For that reason, I do not believe that _specific_ fonts are necessary.
>
> Keyboard drivers are, though.

True.

Or at least, they're very useful -- you could hunt and peck together
the characters from a "character map" application, or copy and paste
them together from the Wikipedia article, or the like.

But ideally, you'd want to just type and have Shavian come out, for
which you'd need a keyboard driver that supports that.

Cheers,
Philip
--
Philip Newton <philip.newton@...>