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Hey all. I've got the books back online. The retool took somewhat longer than I would have expected (I should have estimated 2 days, not 2 hours), but everything was put back online by 6:09pm today. I'm so happy with the end results that I've decided to discount BOTH versions of the book by 20% until the end of January (Pacific Time, aka. GMT-8). I know I said that I'd keep the Condensed version online while the other one was off, but I ended up needing to retool both to get a wider distribution and I also wanted to make sure that nobody felt shafted by paying full retail for the book while so many others got it for a discount. Unless something catastrophic happens, this will be the FINAL revision of the book and it won't be taken offline again.

I typed the prologue some years ago, but I couldn't be bothered to type any further. There's a PDF here: https://sites.google.com/site/wurdbendur/andro_one.pdf
This may be an old version, and it certainly contains some mistakes.


--- In shawalphabet@yahoogroups.com, Michael Everson wrote:
>
> Well, somebody ought to get typing then. ;-)
>
> Michael Everson * http://www.evertype.com/
>

On 28 Jan 2013, at 22:27, WurdBendur <wurdbendur@...> wrote:

> I typed the prologue some years ago, but I couldn't be bothered to type any further. There's a PDF here: https://sites.google.com/site/wurdbendur/andro_one.pdf
> This may be an old version, and it certainly contains some mistakes.

Unfortunately it's not in Shavian encoding. It's in an ASCII hack.

Michael Everson * http://www.evertype.com/

Fortunately I found a newer version that also includes Act I. Through simple search and replace, I've converted it to Unicode.
I've put the PDF up in the files here: http://f1.grp.yahoofs.com/v1/YEYIUeHPFjT_i1fEq41m6KE8xQXeeSEqKi9KaB_HvFRf0Gf1roXT0GLb3UUPgksoMKfiE9T-Ic19Cbu3D-XS0f1yuN9Kzi6gnoLkKg/Texts/andro1uni.pdf

--- In shawalphabet@yahoogroups.com, Michael Everson wrote:
>
> Unfortunately it's not in Shavian encoding. It's in an ASCII hack.
>
> Michael Everson * http://www.evertype.com/
>

Richard Comaish wrote:

> Jokes as good as that do help things get read, even for one who has
temporarily mislaid his reading glasses;
altho I wonder if Moon Writing would be more apt for this one? (a copy
of the joke can be found below)

Steve: Which Moon Alphabet <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moon_type> ?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moon_type

The Moon alphabet is not an augmented alphabet. It is just a variant of
the 26 letters that are distinctive
enough to be read by the blind. People who became blind after learning
their ABC's prefer the embossed
Moon alphabet over Braille.

. . . . . . . .A . . . B . . . C . . . D . . . E . . . F . . . G .
. . H . . . I . . . J
Start 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 [Moon alphabet Numeral sign.svg]
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Moon_alphabet_Numeral_sign.svg>
[Moon Letter A.svg]
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Moon_Letter_A.svg> [Moon Letter
B.svg] <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Moon_Letter_B.svg> [Moon
Letter C.svg] <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Moon_Letter_C.svg>
[Moon Letter D.svg]
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Moon_Letter_D.svg> [Moon Letter
E.svg] <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Moon_Letter_E.svg> [Moon
Letter F.svg] <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Moon_Letter_F.svg>
[Moon Letter G.svg]
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Moon_Letter_G.svg> [Moon Letter
H.svg] <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Moon_Letter_H.svg> [Moon
Letter I.svg] <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Moon_Letter_I.svg>
[Moon Letter J.svg]
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Moon_Letter_J.svg>

I am not a fan of this alphabet for two reasons. It is no better than
the traditional alphabet
for representing 40 English phonemes. The new shapes are rarely
historical or logical.

The following graphic compares Moon, QuickWrite, Braille, and PMF.
I think that PMF which is isomorphic with IPA is easier to read than
Moon.
It is also shorter taking 25 characters to represent spoken English
compared to 34 to represent TS.

[moon-braille-qr-pmf moon-braille.jpg]


Both PMF and Shavian had similar shapes for voice-unvoiced consonants.
Pitman did the same with his short-hand the voiced consonant was just
the unvoiced one in bold face.
Unlike the Shaw alpahbet, PMF tries to look like the Roman sound sign
where possible.


[Shaw-Alfabet shavian-sample-keyc.gif]


A plug for the New book written in the Shaw Alphabet
<http://www.lulu.com/shop/tim-browne/poe-meets-shaw-the-condensed-shaw-a\
lphabet-edition-of-edgar-allan-poe/paperback/product-20617738.html>
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phabet-edition-of-edgar-allan-poe/paperback/product-20617738.html

LINKS:

Shaw Alphabet discussion
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/shawalphabet/message/3270> group.
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/shawalphabet

The phonology forum, Saundspel <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/saundspel>
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/saundspel

Shaw did not want his writing system to look like misspelled English.
Is this achieved in SpelRait?

- - - - - -
T H E J O K E

[saundspel <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/saundspel> ] Hau wan man'z
feiliur tu achiiv coniubial blis cheinjd anather man's career foorever
and meid him feimus
How one man's failure to achieve connubial bliss changed another man's
career forever and made him famous.

Jim Carter wrote: (SpelRait transcription) THIS IZ A TRU STOORI (NOU
CIDING)

HAU WAN MÆN'S FEILIUR TU ACHIIV CONIUBIAL BLIS CHEINJD ANATHER
MÆN'Z CAREER FOOREVER ÆND MEID HIM FEIMUS

ON JUULAI 20, 1969, ÆZ COMAANDER OV THI APOULOU 11 LUUNAR MODIUL,
NIIL AARMSTRONG WOZ THE FŒRST PŒRSON TU SET FUT ON THE MUUN.

HIZ FŒRST WŒRDZ AAFTER STEPING ON THE MUUN, "THÆT'S WAN
SMOOL STEP FOOR MÆN, WAN JAIANT LIIP FOOR MÆNCAIND," WŒR
TELEVAIZD TU ŒRTH ÆND HŒRD BAI MILIONZ.*

BAT JAST BEFOOR HI RII-ENTERD THE LÆNDER, HI MEID THI ENIGMÆTIC
REMAARC "GUD LAC, MR. GOORSCI."

MENI PIIPEL ÆT NESA THOOT IT WOZ A CÆZIUAL REMAARC CONSŒRNING
SAM RAIVAL SOUVIET COSMONOOT. HAUEVER, APON CHECING, THEER WOZ NOU
GOORSCI IN AITHER THE RASHAN OOR AMERICAN SPEIS PROUGRÆMZ .

OUVER THE YIIRZ, MENI PIIPEL CWESTIOND AARMSTRONG ÆZ TU WOT THE -
'GUD LAC, MR. GOORSCI' STEITMENT MENT, BAT AARMSTRONG OOLWEIZ JAST
SMAILD.

ON JUULAI 5, 1995, IN TÆMPA BEI, FLORIDA , WAIL ÆNSERING
CWESTIONZ FOLOUING A SPIICH, A REPOORTER BROOT AP THE 26-YIIR-OULD
CWESTION ABAUT MR GOORSCI TU AARMSTRONG.

THIS TAIM HI FAINALI RESPONDED BECOOZ MR. GOORSCI HÆD DAID, SOU NIIL
AARMSTRONG FELT HI CUD NAU ÆNSER THE CWESTION. HIIR IZ THI ÆNSER
TU "HU WOZ MR GOORSCI":

IN 1938, WEN HI WOZ A CID IN A SMOOL MID-WESTERN TAUN , HI WOZ PLEIYING
BEISBOOL WITH A FREND IN THE BÆCYAARD. HIZ FREND HIT THE BOOL, WICH
LÆNDED IN HIZ NEIBOR'Z YAARD BAI THEER BEDRUUM WINDOU.

HIZ NEIBORZ WŒR MR. ÆND MRZ. GOORSCI. ÆZ HI LIIND DAUN TU
PIC AP THE BOOL, YANG AARMSTRONG HŒRD MRZ. GOORSCI SHAUTING ÆT
MR. GOORSCI,

"SEX! YU WONT SEX?! YUU'L GET SEX WEN THE CID NEXT DOOR WOOCS ON THE
MUUN!"

(HISTORI DAZ NOT RELEIT WETHER MRZ GOORSCI MET HŒR COMITMENT.)

On 31 January 2013 22:47, stbett <stbett@...> wrote:

> The following graphic compares Moon, QuickWrite, Braille, and PMF.
> I think that PMF which is isomorphic with IPA is easier to read than Moon.
> It is also shorter taking 25 characters to represent spoken English
> compared to 34 to represent TS.
>
> [image: moon-braille-qr-pmf moon-braille.jpg]
>

That's not a good comparison for Braille, though. That's Grade-1 Braille,
which writes out everything in full; “real” users would probably use at
least Grade-2 Braille, which has contractions for commonly-occurring letter
combinations such as “ing” and “and”. (Also, the spaces are missing in that
text.)


> Jim Carter wrote: (SpelRait transcription) THIS IZ A TRU STOORI (NOU
> CIDING)
>
>
Snopes says (http://www.snopes.com/quotes/mrgorsky.asp) that it isn't true.
I’d be inclined to believe Snopes.

Cheers,
Philip
--
Philip Newton <philip.newton@...>

The Moon Alphabet isn't phonetic. I prefer phonetic alphabets such as Shavian and Pitman's Alphabet.
Regards, Paul V.

--- In shawalphabet@yahoogroups.com, Philip Newton wrote:
>
> On 31 January 2013 22:47, stbett wrote:
>
> > The following graphic compares Moon, QuickWrite, Braille, and PMF.
> > I think that PMF which is isomorphic with IPA is easier to read than Moon.
> > It is also shorter taking 25 characters to represent spoken English
> > compared to 34 to represent TS.
> >
> > [image: moon-braille-qr-pmf moon-braille.jpg]
> >
>
> That's not a good comparison for Braille, though. That's Grade-1 Braille,
> which writes out everything in full; "real" users would probably use at
> least Grade-2 Braille, which has contractions for commonly-occurring letter
> combinations such as "ing" and "and". (Also, the spaces are missing in that
> text.)
>
>
> > Jim Carter wrote: (SpelRait transcription) THIS IZ A TRU STOORI (NOU
> > CIDING)
> >
> >
> Snopes says (http://www.snopes.com/quotes/mrgorsky.asp) that it isn't true.
> I'd be inclined to believe Snopes.
>
> Cheers,
> Philip
> --
> Philip Newton
>

helO!

F am lUkiN fP a GsEvWn pen-pal!

enI bodi qt Her?

ylsO F am yztrEjan n stil lxniN, sYrUI if mF volz R hXtiN VY Cz!

Gtom

Hello!

I am looking for a Shavian pen-pal!
Any body out there?

also I am Australian and still learning, sorry if my vowels are hurting your ears!

Tom

From the preface to the play
" Man and Superman", 1905

𐑞𐑩 𐑭𐑮𐑑𐑦𐑕𐑑'𐑕 𐑢𐑳𐑮𐑒 𐑦𐑟 𐑑𐑵 𐑖𐑴

𐑬𐑮𐑕𐑧𐑤𐑝𐑟 𐑨𐑟 𐑢𐑰 𐑮𐑰𐑩𐑤𐑦 𐑭𐑮.

GBS

(however, not always appreciated)

𐑤𐑲𐑒 𐑞𐑩 𐑯𐑴𐑑𐑕 𐑪𐑝 𐑩𐑯 𐑴𐑤𐑛 𐑝𐑲𐑩𐑤𐑦𐑯,

𐑔𐑷𐑑𐑕 𐑑𐑷𐑤𐑒 𐑑𐑩 𐑥𐑰 𐑓𐑮𐑳𐑥 𐑢𐑦𐑞𐑦𐑯

𐑥𐑲 𐑥𐑲𐑯𐑛, 𐑞𐑨𐑑 𐑖𐑳𐑑𐑩𐑮𐑛 𐑮𐑵𐑥.


Siegfried Sassoon (1886-1967)

"Old Music" from Rhymed Ruminations (1940),
as quoted in 'Thought, A Very Brief Introduction'