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Is that an error? I haven't noticed that before... I certainly wouldn't
use it so well as I would use TH for the, v for of, or n for and.

--Star

--- Paul Vandenbrink <pvandenbrink@...> wrote:

> Hi everyone
> I noticed on the page for the Shavian Alphabet on Omniglot.com
> that it indicates the letter Shaw letter Fee can be used as an
> abbrev. for
> "for". This is News to me.
> Is it an error?
> If so I can send a note to Simon to correct it.
> Regards, Paul V.
>


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Any suggestions for how to make sure that Latin 1 stays in Latin 1 and is not
converted
to some other code by the email-reader/editor? My examples of Franklin
Fonetik were totally trashed. As composed this is perfectly readable.

.mµtS aez ði imperfekSµn ôv ðer alfabet uil admit ôv, ðêr prezent bad speliq
iz onli bad bicôz kôntreri to ði prezent bad rulz: µndµr ði nu rulz it uuld
bi gud -- ði difikµlti ôv lµrniq tu spel uel in thi old uê iz sou grêt, that
fiu atên it; thôusandz and thôuzandz rµitiq ôn to old êdS, uiðôut ever biiq
êbil to akuµir it. 'Tiz, bisµidz, e difikµlti kôntinuali inkriisiq; az ði sôund
graduali veriz mor and mor frôm ði speliq: and to fôrenµrz.
www.foolswisdom.com/~sbett/franklin-webster.htm

www.foolswisdom.com/~sbett/shaw.htm
Better Keyboard Mapping Conventions
for Shavian
.betar kYbord mapiN kanvenSanz for ShAvian
betD kIbPd mApiN kanvenSanz f SEvian
dshep@... writes in his corrected keyboard Shavian:

Shavian SEvian unigrafic [schwa-a] F=/aI/ Keyboard Map

nOih uHDz iz wizdam;
nOih Ha self iz enlFtanmant.
mAstDih uHDz rakwFrz fOrs;
mAstDih ta self nIdz strehT.With font installed
nOih uHDz iz wizdam;
nOih Ha self iz enlFtanmant.
mAstDih uHDz rakwFrz fOrs;
mAstDih ta self nIdz strehT.


ENgliS unigrafic [schwa-a, q reassigned] 36 phonograms. 14 v, 24
consonants
This is a candidate for ASCII keyboard assignments for any IPA compatible
phonemic writing system. It is supposed to be an improvement for both keyboard
Shavian and keyboard Unifon.
Since there are only 38 phonograms (the diphthongs [ou and oi] are not
unigraphs), there are ten Shavian symbols for combinations and ligatures that are
not directly referenced.

nOiN uDarz iz wizdam
nOiN Da self iz inlYtanment
mqsteriN uDarz rEkwYrz fors:
mqsteriN Da self nEdz strenT

Unifon unigrafic [uppercase dot marker] [schwa-c] Keyboard Unifon

.nOiN uDcrz iz wizdcm [rEkwIrz]
.nOiN Da self iz inlItcnmcnt
.mastcriN uDcrz rikwIrz fOrs;
.mastcriN Dc self nEdz streNT.Data Control Font Installed

.nOiN uDcrz iz wizdcm [rEkwIrz]
.nOiN Da self iz inlItcnmcnt
.mastcriN uDcrz rikwIrz fOrs;
.mastcriN Dc self nEdz streNT.


Spanglish digrafic + 12 exception rules Spanglish.htm
The limitations of digraphic solutions need to be discussed.
Spanglish is a transitional writing system that is supposed to devolve into
tradspel.
Spanglish is as phonemic as Spanish [about 85%] compared to tradspel [7%]
and has highly predictable spelling if you memorize the 12 exception rules.
The Latin 1 version approximates simpler one-symbol-per-sound system. ASCII
version
No-ing utherz iz wizdam
Nowing the self iz enlaitanment
Mastering utherz rekwairz fors:
Mastering the self niedz strengthLatin 1 ANSI accents
Nóing utherz iz wizdam
Nóing ðà [the] self iz enlýtánment
Mæstèring uthèrz rèkwýrz fors:
Mæstèring the self nédz strength


For details go to www.foolswisdom.com/~sbett

On Tue, 25 Jan 2005 16:52:00 -0000, paul vandenbrink
<pvandenbrink@...> wrote:
>
> In every other matter, Germany appeared more advanced than Canada
> or even most of the states, at that time.
> In the Netherlands, it was the opposite.

I've also found that the Dutch tend to speak better English and the
Germans--perhaps because the Netherlands are a lot smaller than
Germany, so Dutch is not "that useful" and it's more important to
learn a foreign language, with English being #1. Swedes, too, tend to
speak good English; I've heard that in their case, this is due in no
small part to their practice of subtitling English films on
television, whereas Germany prefer to see their imported films dubbed.

> It would be interesting to go to Germany again, but I don't know if
> I could get the time. What about you, Philip.
> Hugh or myself could make up a paper and you could present it.

No; not only do I not think I can afford it (even if they pay part of
speakers' expenses, it seems), I'm not really enamoured by what seems
to be their goal: reforming English spelling within the confines of
the Latin alphabet. It's not really something I can back up.

Cheers,
--
Philip Newton <philip.newton@...>

On Tue, 25 Jan 2005 17:42:44 -0500, Joe <wurdbendur@...> wrote:
>
> I wish I could go! But I'm a poor college student who speaks no German.

Hey, the "speaks no German" need not be a problem! As I said, you
should be able to get by at least with English until you get there,
and I expect the conference will be entirely in English anyway. The
"poor college student" may make this difficult, though :)

Cheers,
--
Philip Newton <philip.newton@...>

See pages 145/146 of Androcles - Peter MacCarthy's notes on spelling. If you
do not have it handy:

"NOTE: It would be possible to extend the number of word-signs beyond the
four provided for the design. [...] for (f), be (b), with (w), he (h), are
(r), so (s), do (d) [...] that (tht), was (wz), have (hv), not (nt), this
(ths), but (bt), from (fm), had (hd), has (hz), been (bn), were (wr), and so
on."

Hugh B

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Paul Vandenbrink [mailto:pvandenbrink@...]
> Sent: 25 January 2005 20:13
> To: shawalphabet@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [shawalphabet] Omniglot.com
>
>
> Hi everyone
> I noticed on the page for the Shavian Alphabet on Omniglot.com
> that it indicates the letter Shaw letter Fee can be used as an abbrev. for
> "for". This is News to me.
> Is it an error?
> If so I can send a note to Simon to correct it.
> Regards, Paul V.
>
> P.S. Omniglot has new phonetic Alphabet for English, based on the Expanded
> Latin Alphabet used by Icelandic, another Germanic Language.
> It looks quite Scandanavian.
> It is called RENGLISH. Take a look.
> I don't know what the R stands for.
> May Re-engineered.
> It also has a site, http://www.slacknet.org/renglish/
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>

I don't think I'd be so fond of so many abbreviations. The three that I
am familiar with, and, of, and the, all make sense to me, these others
seem like they woundn't read well.

--Star

--- Hugh Birkenhead <mixsynth@...> wrote:

> See pages 145/146 of Androcles - Peter MacCarthy's notes on spelling.
> If you
> do not have it handy:
>
> "NOTE: It would be possible to extend the number of word-signs beyond
> the
> four provided for the design. [...] for (f), be (b), with (w), he
> (h), are
> (r), so (s), do (d) [...] that (tht), was (wz), have (hv), not (nt),
> this
> (ths), but (bt), from (fm), had (hd), has (hz), been (bn), were (wr),
> and so
> on."
>
> Hugh B
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Paul Vandenbrink [mailto:pvandenbrink@...]
> > Sent: 25 January 2005 20:13
> > To: shawalphabet@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: Re: [shawalphabet] Omniglot.com
> >
> >
> > Hi everyone
> > I noticed on the page for the Shavian Alphabet on Omniglot.com
> > that it indicates the letter Shaw letter Fee can be used as an
> abbrev. for
> > "for". This is News to me.
> > Is it an error?
> > If so I can send a note to Simon to correct it.
> > Regards, Paul V.
> >
> > P.S. Omniglot has new phonetic Alphabet for English, based on the
> Expanded
> > Latin Alphabet used by Icelandic, another Germanic Language.
> > It looks quite Scandanavian.
> > It is called RENGLISH. Take a look.
> > I don't know what the R stands for.
> > May Re-engineered.
> > It also has a site, http://www.slacknet.org/renglish/
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>


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Ahem... this is the SHAW ALPHABET group. It would be nice to keep the
airwaves free of ENgliS, Unifon, Spanglish and other such orthographies.



Also DShep’s examples have h and N the wrong way round.



Hugh B



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From: stbetta@... [mailto:stbetta@...]
Sent: 26 January 2005 04:55
To: shawalphabet@yahoogroups.com
Cc: openrite@yahoogroups.com; euro-english@yahoogroups.com; stbett@...
Subject: [shawalphabet] Alternate Transcriptions



Any suggestions for how to make sure that Latin 1 stays in Latin 1 and is
not converted
to some other code by the email-reader/editor? My examples of Franklin
Fonetik were totally trashed. As composed this is perfectly readable.



.mµtS aez ði imperfekSµn ôv ðer alfabet uil admit ôv, ðêr prezent bad
speliq iz onli bad bicôz kôntreri to ði prezent bad rulz: µndµr ði nu rulz
it uuld bi gud -- ði difikµlti ôv lµrniq tu spel uel in thi old uê iz sou
grêt, that fiu atên it; thôusandz and thôuzandz rµitiq ôn to old êdS, uiðôut
ever biiq êbil to akuµir it. 'Tiz, bisµidz, e difikµlti kôntinuali
inkriisiq; az ði sôund graduali veriz mor and mor frôm ði speliq: and to
fôrenµrz. www.foolswisdom.com/~sbett/franklin-webster.htm



www.foolswisdom.com/~sbett/shaw.htm

Better Keyboard Mapping Conventions
for Shavian
.betar kYbord mapiN kanvenSanz for ShAvian
betD kIbPd mApiN kanvenSanz f SEvian

dshep@... writes in his corrected keyboard Shavian:

Shavian SEvian unigrafic [schwa-a] F=/aI/


Keyboard Map

nOih uHDz iz wizdam;
nOih Ha self iz enlFtanmant.
mAstDih uHDz rakwFrz fOrs;
mAstDih ta self nIdz strehT.

With font installed
nOih uHDz iz wizdam;
nOih Ha self iz enlFtanmant.
mAstDih uHDz rakwFrz fOrs;
mAstDih ta self nIdz strehT.


ENgliS unigrafic [schwa-a, q reassigned] 36 phonograms. 14 v, 24
consonants
This is a candidate for ASCII keyboard assignments for any IPA compatible
phonemic writing system. It is supposed to be an improvement for both
keyboard Shavian and keyboard Unifon.
Since there are only 38 phonograms (the diphthongs [ou and oi] are not
unigraphs), there are ten Shavian symbols for combinations and ligatures
that are not directly referenced.


nOiN uDarz iz wizdam
nOiN Da self iz inlYtanment

mqsteriN uDarz rEkwYrz fors:

mqsteriN Da self nEdz strenT



Unifon unigrafic [uppercase dot marker] [schwa-c]


Keyboard Unifon

.nOiN uDcrz iz wizdcm [rEkwIrz]
.nOiN Da self iz inlItcnmcnt
.mastcriN uDcrz rikwIrz fOrs;

.mastcriN Dc self nEdz streNT.

Data Control Font Installed

.nOiN uDcrz iz wizdcm [rEkwIrz]
.nOiN Da self iz inlItcnmcnt
.mastcriN uDcrz rikwIrz fOrs;

.mastcriN Dc self nEdz streNT.




<file:///C:\Documents%20and%20Settings\Steve%20Bett\My%20Documents\My%20Webs
\spanglish.htm> Spanglish digrafic + 12 exception rules Spanglish
<file:///C:\Documents%20and%20Settings\Steve%20Bett\My%20Documents\My%20Webs
\spanglish.htm> .htm
The limitations of digraphic solutions need to be discussed.
Spanglish is a transitional writing system that is supposed to devolve into
tradspel.
Spanglish is as phonemic as Spanish [about 85%] compared to tradspel [7%]
and has highly predictable spelling if you memorize the 12 exception rules.
The Latin 1 version approximates simpler one-symbol-per-sound system.


ASCII version
No-ing utherz iz wizdam
Nowing the self iz enlaitanment
Mastering utherz rekwairz fors:

Mastering the self niedz strength

Latin 1 ANSI accents
Nóing utherz iz wizdam
Nóing ðà [the] self iz enlýtánment
Mæstèring uthèrz rèkwýrz fors:

Mæstèring the self nédz strength



For details go to www.foolswisdom.com/~sbett

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Star wrote:
> I don't think I'd be so fond of so many abbreviations. The three that I
> am familiar with, and, of, and the, all make sense to me, these others
> seem like they woundn't read well.

How about 'to'? That's the fourth common abbreviation.

When I first started using Shavian I used to abbreviate 'for' (f) and 'with'
(w). I stopped doing that when I found the discussion group, because nobody
else there was doing it! I don't see any reason whatsoever why we shouldn't
use any of the abbreviations laid out in Androcles. Maybe even make some
more of our own - provided they are obvious and the meaning is still clear.
Perhaps we should make new ones only by consensus.

Hugh B

On 1/26/05 12:13 PM, "Hugh Birkenhead" <mixsynth@...> wrote:

> Ahem... this is the SHAW ALPHABET group. It would be nice to keep the airwaves
> free of ENgliS, Unifon, Spanglish and other such orthographies.
>
Yes, I agree.
>
> Also DShep¹s examples have h and N the wrong way round.
>
> Hugh B
>
He¹s done that intentionally. This goes back to the old argument about the
reversal... Lets not drag that back up.

Regards,
Joe
/JO

Hugh, Joe, and others,

Hugh wrote: ... this is the SHAW ALPHABET group. It would be nice to keep
the airwaves free of ENgliS, Unifon, Spanglish and other such orthographies.

Just as the study of other languages and their writing systems teaches us a
lot about English, the study of other orthographies will provide insights into
Shavian.

--Steve