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TANkV fP riplFiN in H best Alfabet evD inventad. :) unfPcanatlI it kEm Qt in
/rOman mF end, Az V mFt bI Ebal t sI bilO. wic font wx V VziN? H difYlt font
t Vz hC iz /SY /sAnz /2.



enIwun els?



/hV



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From: carl easton [mailto:shavintel16@...]
Sent: 03 March 2005 01:12
To: shawalphabet@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [shawalphabet] No more Roman please!



hF GhV,



F wil rFt in GSyvWn font kOd fP H grMp. in H GSyvWn fPum in H GSyvWn sekSan
F v kPs rFt in font kOd. sO GhV Fl ekstend mF GSyvWn VsiJ t His grMp tM.



best v rIgRdz,



GkRal

Hugh Birkenhead <mixsynth@...> wrote:

grMp.



wuns agen, nOwun hC iz tYkiN in /SEvWn. wI’D Yl nAtDiN on abQt
sOSOliNgwistiks, fanetiks, Yltxnativ speliN sistamz n Yl HAt, n in H mIntFm,
pUD Old /SEvWn iz getiN nO atenSan wotsOevD. it’s nO wundD wI’D not getiN
enI nV membDz.



hQ R wI evD gOiN t kanvins H wxld v /SEvIan’z benafits if QD Alfabet v cqs
in His grMp iz not /SEvWn?



wI mFt Az wel rInEm His grMp “JenDal fanetiks|speliN rifPm diskuSan grMp”.



enI riplFz t His mesiJ not ritan in /SEvWn wil bI dalItad. :-)



/hV



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No more Roman? How will you explain Shavian to the next generation?
Do you introduce a new code in the new code? Here is some history on
one new code that did not follow this route.

> Once Louis Braille finally reached a level in his teaching-career
> where he had the power to introduce his new system, did he officially
> present it to other blind people and instructors of the blind) by
> writing a book in Braille? No - for if he had done so, only a very few
> (his secret students) could have read the book or would have cared to
> read it. Louis printed his book on Braille in Hauy type, using Braille
> only for the examples. This did not prevent the defeat of Hauy and
> other similar raised-letter blind-writing systems (which once abounded)
> once Braille proved to work indisputably better. But if Louis Braille
> had "practiced what he preached" by writing only in Braille and never
> condescending to the system whose flaws he knew and wished to defeat,
> would anyone today have heard of Braille?

Surtànly <Braille> wudànt bé ábèl tü rít hiz buk in <bráìl> and sel it tü
enywàn, békoz it wus à còmplétly difrànt kódè. Ûf cors yu kant ìxplán
Sháviàn in sháviàn. But stil ú kan explán yur sistèm if it iz néàr enûf tü
TS, az iz ðè cás of ðè <SSS> Hous Stýl.

sDtanli BRAILLE wUdant bI Ebal tM rFt hiz bVk in brEl and sel it tm eniwan,
bIcoz it wuz a complItli difrant kOd. uv cors V kAnt eksplEn SEvian in
SEvian. but stil V kAn eksplEn jUr sistam if it iz nir tM <ts>, Az iz Ha
kEs uv Ha <sss> hAUs stFl.

Hugh (mixsynth@... writes:

/kRl
TANkV fP riplFiN in H best Alfabet evD inventad. :) unfPcanatlI it kEm Qt in
/rOman mF end, Az V mFt bI Ebal t sI bilO. wic font wx V VziN? H difYlt font
t Vz hC iz /SY /sAnz /2.
enIwun els?
/hV
GhV,
F wil rFt in GSyvWn font kOd fP H grMp. in H GSyvWn fPum in H GSyvWn sekSan
F v kPs rFt in font kOd. sO GhV Fl ekstend mF GSyvWn VsiJ t His grMp tM.

best v rIgRdz,

GkRal

Hugh Birkenhead <mixsynth@...> wrote:
grMp.
wuns agen, nOwun hC iz tYkiN in /SEvWn. wI’D Yl nAtDiN on abQt
sOSOliNgwistiks, fanetiks, Yltxnativ speliN sistamz n Yl HAt, n in H mIntFm, pUD Old /SEvWn
iz getiN nO atenSan wotsOevD. it’s nO wundD wI’D not getiN enI nV membDz.
hQ R wI evD gOiN t kanvins H wxld v /SEvIan’z benafits if QD Alfabet v cqs
in His grMp iz not /SEvWn?
wI mFt Az wel rInEm His grMp “JenDal fanetiks|speliN rifPm diskuSan grMp”.
enI riplFz t His mesiJ not ritan in /SEvWn wil bI dalItad. :-)
/hV
Steve
www.foolswisdom.com/~sbett

F dOnt TiNk hI woz VziN eni pDtikVlD font... Just H dIfolt /html font. hens,
hiz letDz apCd Az rOman letDz.

/filip

-----Original Message-----
From: Hugh Birkenhead [mailto:mixsynth@...]
Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2005 2:44 AM
To: shawalphabet@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [shawalphabet] No more Roman please!



/kRl



TANkV fP riplFiN in H best Alfabet evD inventad. :) unfPcanatlI it kEm Qt in
/rOman mF end, Az V mFt bI Ebal t sI bilO. wic font wx V VziN? H difYlt font
t Vz hC iz /SY /sAnz /2.



enIwun els?



/hV




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From: carl easton [mailto:shavintel16@...]
Sent: 03 March 2005 01:12
To: shawalphabet@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [shawalphabet] No more Roman please!



hF GhV,



F wil rFt in GSyvWn font kOd fP H grMp. in H GSyvWn fPum in H GSyvWn sekSan
F v kPs rFt in font kOd. sO GhV Fl ekstend mF GSyvWn VsiJ t His grMp tM.



best v rIgRdz,



GkRal

Hugh Birkenhead <mixsynth@...> wrote:

grMp.



wuns agen, nOwun hC iz tYkiN in /SEvWn. wI'D Yl nAtDiN on abQt
sOSOliNgwistiks, fanetiks, Yltxnativ speliN sistamz n Yl HAt, n in H mIntFm,
pUD Old /SEvWn iz getiN nO atenSan wotsOevD. it's nO wundD wI'D not getiN
enI nV membDz.



hQ R wI evD gOiN t kanvins H wxld v /SEvIan'z benafits if QD Alfabet v cqs
in His grMp iz not /SEvWn?



wI mFt Az wel rInEm His grMp "JenDal fanetiks|speliN rifPm diskuSan grMp".



enI riplFz t His mesiJ not ritan in /SEvWn wil bI dalItad. :-)



/hV

-----Original Message-----
From: stbetta@... [mailto:stbetta@...]
Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2005 8:19 AM
To: shawalphabet@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [shawalphabet] No more Roman please!


No more Roman? How will you explain Shavian to the next generation?

stIv, F agrI HAt it iz Vsfal t rFt in /rOman letDz wen intrOdVsiN /SEvWn t
uHDz, P wen iksplEniN it, sins fP sumwun hM iz not familC wiH H Alfabet,
rFtiN in it iz not gOiN t dM enI gUd.

hQevD, mOst v H tFm wI R not iksplEniN /SEvWn t uHDz but R tYkiN amuNst
QDselvz! n His wI kUd sxtanlI dM in /SEvWn, sins HOz v us hM hAf Jqnd H list
prizVmablI did sO bikoz HX[*] intDestid in H Alfabet n FHD nO it P R wiliN t
lxn it. F TiNk His iz wot /hV woz getiN At.

[*] hQ t rFt "HE R" Az a kontrAkSan? F pranQns it egzAktlI lFk "HX" mIniN "v
Hem" P "not hC", sO F HiNk it SUd probablI bI ritan HAt wE... rFtiN it
etimOloJikalI Az "HE'r" P "HE'D" duzn't mEk muc sens t mI sins HX's no "E"
sQnd in HAt wxd.

uv cors V kAnt eksplEn SEvian in SEvian.

agrId.

but stil V kAn eksplEn jUr sistam if it iz nir tM <ts>, Az iz Ha kEs uv
Ha <sss> hAUs stFl.

trM but irelavant, sins /SEvWn iz /SEvWn, n its sistam iz (pDhAps bF dizFn)
not "nC t /ts", n uHD rFtiN sistamz Rn't H obJekt v diskuSan hC.

/filip

hF /hV
v kPs. amuNst QDselvz, F Am pDfektlI hApI t rFt in H
/SYvIan Alfabet.
but wut abQt H font. F dOnt nO hQ t set it insFd H
"pOst mesEJ" pEJ in /yAhM grMps.
dM wI hAv t send I-mEalz?
let His mesEJ bI H test.

rigRdz, /pYl /vI.
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--- In shawalphabet@yahoogroups.com, "Newton, Philip"
<Philip.Newton@g...> wrote:
> -----Original Message-----
> From: stbetta@a... [mailto:stbetta@a...]
> Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2005 8:19 AM
> To: shawalphabet@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [shawalphabet] No more Roman please!
>
> stIv, F agrI HAt it iz Vsfal t rFt in /rOman letDz wen
intrOdVsiN /SEvWn t
> uHDz, P wen iksplEniN it, sins fP sumwun hM iz not familC wiH H
Alfabet,
> rFtiN in it iz not gOiN t dM enI gUd.
>
> hQevD, mOst v H tFm wI R not iksplEniN /SEvWn t uHDz but R tYkiN
amuNst
> QDselvz! n His wI kUd sxtanlI dM in /SEvWn, sins HOz v us hM hAf
Jqnd H list
> prizVmablI did sO bikoz HX[*] intDestid in H Alfabet n FHD nO it P
R wiliN t
> lxn it. F TiNk His iz wot /hV woz getiN At.
>
> [*] hQ t rFt "HE R" Az a kontrAkSan? F pranQns it egzAktlI lFk "HX"
mIniN "v
> Hem" P "not hC", sO F HiNk it SUd probablI bI ritan HAt wE... rFtiN
it
> etimOloJikalI Az "HE'r" P "HE'D" duzn't mEk muc sens t mI sins HX's
no "E"
> sQnd in HAt wxd.
>
> uv cors V kAnt eksplEn SEvian in SEvian.
>
> agrId.
>
> but stil V kAn eksplEn jUr sistam if it iz nir tM <ts>, Az iz
Ha kEs uv
> Ha <sss> hAUs stFl.
>
> trM but irelavant, sins /SEvWn iz /SEvWn, n its sistam iz (pDhAps
bF dizFn)
> not "nC t /ts", n uHD rFtiN sistamz Rn't H obJekt v diskuSan hC.
>
> /filip

> hF /hV
duzant sIm t bI wxkiN.
dM F hAv t insxt "HTML" tekst?
hQ R V n Gfilap dMiN it?

rigRdz, /pYl /vI.
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--- In shawalphabet@yahoogroups.com, "paul vandenbrink"
<pvandenbrink@s...> wrote:
>
> hF /hV
> v kPs. amuNst QDselvz, F Am pDfektlI hApI t rFt in H
> /SYvIan Alfabet.
> but wut abQt H font. F dOnt nO hQ t set it insFd H
> "pOst mesEJ" pEJ in /yAhM grMps.
> dM wI hAv t send I-mEalz?
> let His mesEJ bI H test.
>
> rigRdz, /pYl /vI.
> _____________________attached___________________
>
> --- In shawalphabet@yahoogroups.com, "Newton, Philip"
> <Philip.Newton@g...> wrote:
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: stbetta@a... [mailto:stbetta@a...]
> > Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2005 8:19 AM
> > To: shawalphabet@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: Re: [shawalphabet] No more Roman please!
> >
> > stIv, F agrI HAt it iz Vsfal t rFt in /rOman letDz wen
> intrOdVsiN /SEvWn t
> > uHDz, P wen iksplEniN it, sins fP sumwun hM iz not familC wiH H
> Alfabet,
> > rFtiN in it iz not gOiN t dM enI gUd.
> >
> > hQevD, mOst v H tFm wI R not iksplEniN /SEvWn t uHDz but R tYkiN
> amuNst
> > QDselvz! n His wI kUd sxtanlI dM in /SEvWn, sins HOz v us hM hAf
> Jqnd H list
> > prizVmablI did sO bikoz HX[*] intDestid in H Alfabet n FHD nO it
P
> R wiliN t
> > lxn it. F TiNk His iz wot /hV woz getiN At.
> >
> > [*] hQ t rFt "HE R" Az a kontrAkSan? F pranQns it egzAktlI
lFk "HX"
> mIniN "v
> > Hem" P "not hC", sO F HiNk it SUd probablI bI ritan HAt wE...
rFtiN
> it
> > etimOloJikalI Az "HE'r" P "HE'D" duzn't mEk muc sens t mI sins
HX's
> no "E"
> > sQnd in HAt wxd.
> >
> > uv cors V kAnt eksplEn SEvian in SEvian.
> >
> > agrId.
> >
> > but stil V kAn eksplEn jUr sistam if it iz nir tM <ts>, Az
iz
> Ha kEs uv
> > Ha <sss> hAUs stFl.
> >
> > trM but irelavant, sins /SEvWn iz /SEvWn, n its sistam iz (pDhAps
> bF dizFn)
> > not "nC t /ts", n uHD rFtiN sistamz Rn't H obJekt v diskuSan hC.
> >
> > /filip

On Thu, 03 Mar 2005 20:26:05 -0000, paul vandenbrink
<pvandenbrink@...> wrote:
>
> dM F hAv t insxt "HTML" tekst?

jes... n F dOnt TiNk it iz posibal TrM H jyhM grMps intDfEs; jM'd nId
t Vz an I-mEl prOgram HAt kan rFt /html.

> hQ R V n Gfilap dMiN it?

F kan OnlI dM it propDlI At wxk, wX F Vz "/mFkrOsoft /QtlUk", wic kan
rFt mesaJiz in /html; wen F Am At hOm, F rId n pOst TrM /JImEl, wic
duzant let mI Vz /html, Az fR Az F kan sI, sO H best F kan dM iz His
"sVdO-/SEvWn".

cCz,
/filip
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From: Newton, Philip [mailto:Philip.Newton@...]
Sent: 03 March 2005 14:11
To: 'shawalphabet@yahoogroups.com'
Subject: RE: [shawalphabet] No more Roman please!

stIv, F agrI HAt it iz Vsfal t rFt in /rOman letDz wen intrOdVsiN /SEvWn t
uHDz, P wen iksplEniN it, sins fP sumwun hM iz not familC wiH H Alfabet,
rFtiN in it iz not gOiN t dM enI gUd.

SP. F agrI. H vAst maJoratI v wot iz diskust hC iz Just stuf bitwIn QDselvz
HO. sO HX’z nO ikskVs rWlI not t Vz H wxld’z best alfabet!

hQevD, mOst v H tFm wI R not iksplEniN /SEvWn t uHDz but R tYkiN amuNst
QDselvz! n His wI kUd sxtanlI dM in /SEvWn, sins HOz v us hM hAf Jqnd H list
prizVmablI did sO bikoz HX[*] intDestid in H Alfabet n FHD nO it P R wiliN t
lxn it. F TiNk His iz wot /hV woz getiN At.

V R v kPs kDekt.

[*] hQ t rFt "HE R" Az a kontrAkSan? F pranQns it egzAktlI lFk "HX" mIniN "v
Hem" P "not hC", sO F HiNk it SUd probablI bI ritan HAt wE... rFtiN it
etimOloJikalI Az "HE'r" P "HE'D" duzn't mEk muc sens t mI sins HX's no "E"
sQnd in HAt wxd.

F rFt “HE’D” but OnlI fP klAratI. HX’z probablI nO rIzan fP mI t dM it HAt
wE, bikoz lFk V F pranQns it “HX” tM.

uv cors V kAnt eksplEn SEvian in SEvian.

agrId.

but stil V kAn eksplEn jUr sistam if it iz nir tM <ts>, Az iz Ha kEs uv
Ha <sss> hAUs stFl.

trM but irelavant, sins /SEvWn iz /SEvWn, n its sistam iz (pDhAps bF dizFn)
not "nC t /ts", n uHD rFtiN sistamz Rn't H obJekt v diskuSan hC.

agrId. His iz n wil YlwEz bI H /SEvWn diskuSan grMp. uHD rFtiN sistamz SUd
OnlI bI SPt of-topik refDansaz. HE hAv HX On /jyhM /grMps wX pIpal kAn pDsV
Hem in grEtD depT.

/filip

/hV

p.s. sorI abQt H Yfal bPdDz DQnd H kwOtad tekst -- it’s /QtlUk’s wE v dMiN
TiNz n F Just kAnt get it H wE F wont it :(




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nFHD v HOz mesaJaz kEm up in /SEvWn. H /jyhM /grMpz intDfEs duznt alQ font
cEnJaz.



H best wE v rFtiN /SEvWn iz TrM jP ImEl prOgrAm.



/hV /b



> -----Original Message-----

> From: Philip Newton [mailto:philip.newton@...]

> Sent: 03 March 2005 20:58

> To: shawalphabet@yahoogroups.com

> Subject: Re: [shawalphabet] Re: No more Roman. How do we set Font?

>

>

> On Thu, 03 Mar 2005 20:26:05 -0000, paul vandenbrink

> <pvandenbrink@...> wrote:

> >

> > dM F hAv t insxt "HTML" tekst?

>

> jes... n F dOnt TiNk it iz posibal TrM H jyhM grMps intDfEs; jM'd nId

> t Vz an I-mEl prOgram HAt kan rFt /html.

>

> > hQ R V n Gfilap dMiN it?

>

> F kan OnlI dM it propDlI At wxk, wX F Vz "/mFkrOsoft /QtlUk", wic kan

> rFt mesaJiz in /html; wen F Am At hOm, F rId n pOst TrM /JImEl, wic

> duzant let mI Vz /html, Az fR Az F kan sI, sO H best F kan dM iz His

> "sVdO-/SEvWn".

>

> cCz,

> /filip

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Paul,

From a teachers point of view, an ambiguous TH is not a problem because most
of the words involved are high frequency and rather short.

Children have already mastered how TH words are pronounced so they pick up
rather fast that thought is pronounced thot Tot and the is pronounced THa Ha

The problem is for non-native English speakers.

-Steve
This is just an additional point on the benefits of a Voiced/Unvoiced
Distinction in the Shaw Alphabet.
How does an English Student learn when to pronounce the TH sound.
How does he know when it is voiced and when it is not other than
memorizing every occurrence of this sound in English.
I used to Think if it was at the beginning of a word, specifically
one of the Definate Pronouns (The, This, That, Those, Thee, Thou,
than, then, there, though) then it was voiced and in all other
instances not. Then I found some exceptions, mostly in old English or
Germanic
Loan words where it was also voiced (Mother, Father, Brother, other,
lathe, bathe). But bath was unvoiced.
The exceptions mounted. It is much better to have it spelled out, as
in Shavian.

Regards, Paul V.