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Scott Harrison wrote:
> There are surrogate pairs from the BMP that can be
> used to represent Plane 1 points.

*nods* But not all systems can handle surrogates (for example, NT does not
know about them). In general, code points outside the BMP are poorly
supported.

Cheers,
Philip

Newton, Philip wrote:
> Scott Harrison wrote:
>
>>There are surrogate pairs from the BMP that can be
>>used to represent Plane 1 points.
>
>
> *nods* But not all systems can handle surrogates (for example, NT does not
> know about them). In general, code points outside the BMP are poorly
> supported.
>
> Cheers,
> Philip

The sooner we forget about surrogates the better! Use UTF-8, which is
much better and has become the defacto standard for the internet.
That's what my signature is encoded in below - in fact, this whole email
is in UTF-8. I believe WIN-XP handles SMP (plane 1) characters alright,
as long as you have a proper font installed. As for browsing and email,
try Mozilla software (Firefox, Thunderbird, Mozilla suite). It should
work much better than anything MS has to offer.

Sorry I can't easily type in Shavian right now. I need to update some
of my software.

--
·𐑰𐑔𐑩𐑯 - Ethan

There are quite a few augmented alphabets for Engish
Starting with those developed by Bishop Wilkins and Isaac Pitman.

New Alphabets for English number over 100.
http://www.langmaker.com/db/alp_index_submittedby.htm#JeffreyHenning

The problem with most of these alphabets is that they do not have one symbol
for
every sound in spoken English. They are not Unigraphic.

Many of these systems claim to be an improvement by not having a different
symbol for upper and lower case.

Pitman has 5 versions of his phonotypy
IPA, SAMPA, and Kershenbaum have symbols to represent 40+ sounds (phonemes).
ENgliS supplements the traditonal 23 letters with a reassigned C, Q X and
It also uses a few consonants for vowels (y, w, )
PMF www.foolswisdom.com/~sbett/pictography.htm
Read Scripts: Shavian, Quick Script, Read...
[ . . . ]

--Steve

http://www.langmaker.com/

--- In shawalphabet@yahoogroups.com, "paul vandenbrink" > wrote:
>
> Did you realize that Shep, the dog name is short for Shepherd.
> And Shepherd is short for Sheep-herder. But if you call Shep a Sheep,
> he will be rightly insulted.
> These etymological relationships are not transferable, derivable or
> obvious.



On the internet no one knows you're a dog.


woof!
dshep

jet anuHD test:

HAr wyz a lEdi kwFt aksepSanali brFt,
Ebal ta trAval muc kwikD HAn lFt,
Si set Qt wun dE,
in a relativ wE,
And arivd on Ha prIvias nFt.

dSep

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(Ha VzVal VsaJ kwurks aplF!)

..........

eniwan wiH Ivan Ha slFtast noliJ
ov P abQt HAt bazR fild ov sFans
nOn Az kwontam makAniks wil bI awAr
ov sum ov its mOr kVrias Aspekts;
Ha ansurtanti prinsipal fP wun; lFt
Az boT wEv And pRtakal fP anuHD;
And Ha posabilati HAt stuf, mAtD, kAn
And indId duz emurJ from emti spEs.
His lAtD fanomanon iz aksplEnd bF
Ha obsDvESan HAt emti spEs, Ivan
if Az grEt a vAkVm nOn ta agzist,
YlwEz kantEnz enDJi fWldz, alektrO-
mAgnetik fWldz, And HArfOr patencal.
And wiH patencal, posabilati; wiH
posabilati, AkSVAlati — rAndam AkSVAlati.
nO rIzan nIdad; nun nesasari (Hat iz
nQ nOn).

stuf, mAtD (in Ha fPm ov sub-atomak
pRtakalz) HAt sudanli apCz Qt ov emtinas
iz Cali remanisant ov Ha 2500 jC-Old
TYt aksprest balO. plIz ramembD HAt His
iz not an invatESan ta mistasizm, Pintal
P uHDwiz -- mCli a bamVsd obsDvEsan;
Just anJq Ha kO-insadans P kunvurJans
ov modDn faziks And Encant spekVlESan,
Az pIpal in difDant tFmz And plEsaz pondD
Ha fundamental PdD ov nEcD.

from Ha
Tao Te Ching, cAptD fOr
trAnslEtad bF /brIan brQn wYlkD
/grifan bUks, 1995

dQ (Ha wE) iz a Nwurlih emtinas,
jet Nwen Vzd kAnot bI agzYstad.
Qt ov His mistCias wel
flOz evriTih in agzistans.

.....
trV fP bOT fizasists And sEJas, it wUd sIm

dSep

--- In shawalphabet@yahoogroups.com, "Philip Newton" wrote:
>
> On Mon, 14 Mar 2005 05:51:19 -0000, [1]"dshepx" <dshep@g...>
> said:
>
> jet anuHD test:
>
> nOp, didant wxk -- Yl V sent woz plEn /AskI tekst. V nId to FHD
> (p) Vz H /VnikOd kOdpqnts P (t) Vz /html t spesafF a /SEvWn font
> suc Az "/SY SAnz numbD 2".
>
> cCz,
> /filip
>
> References
>
> 1. mailto:dshep@g...
> --
> Philip Newton <philip.newton@g...>



Philip,

It seemed to work for me. As a very-much non-geek I do not
really understand code points or all the rest of the technical
discussion, sad to say. What I did was to select Shaw Roman 2
as the fixed-width font for my browser and presto, when I
previewed my test before sending it, it appeared in Shavian.
It also came back in Shavian when I viewed the recent messages
posted. Even your reply was in Shavian.

Does this mean that it only works for me on my computer but
not for anyone else? I don't know.

regards,
dshep

/stIv, F dOnt sI hQ His iz relavant At Yl hC.



/hV /b



_____

From: stbetta@... [mailto:stbetta@...]
Sent: 14 March 2005 05:31
To: shawalphabet@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [shawalphabet] Neologisms



There are quite a few augmented alphabets for Engish
Starting with those developed by Bishop Wilkins and Isaac Pitman.



New Alphabets for English number over 100.

http://www.langmaker.com/db/alp_index_submittedby.htm#JeffreyHenning



The problem with most of these alphabets is that they do not have one symbol
for
every sound in spoken English. They are not Unigraphic.



Many of these systems claim to be an improvement by not having a different
symbol for upper and lower case.



Pitman has 5 versions of his phonotypy

IPA, SAMPA, and Kershenbaum have symbols to represent 40+ sounds (phonemes).

ENgliS supplements the traditonal 23 letters with a reassigned C, Q X and

It also uses a few consonants for vowels (y, w, )

PMF www.foolswisdom.com/~sbett/pictography.htm

Read Scripts: Shavian, Quick Script, Read...

[ . . . ]



--Steve



http://www.langmaker.com/






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> Philip,

>

> It seemed to work for me. As a very-much non-geek I do not

> really understand code points or all the rest of the technical

> discussion, sad to say. What I did was to select Shaw Roman 2

> as the fixed-width font for my browser and presto, when I

> previewed my test before sending it, it appeared in Shavian.

> It also came back in Shavian when I viewed the recent messages

> posted. Even your reply was in Shavian.

>

> Does this mean that it only works for me on my computer but

> not for anyone else? I don't know.



unfPcanatlI, HAt's igzAktlI wot it mInz. :(



V'D OnlI salektiN H font fP displE v jP On ImEl. it wil stil apC t evribodI
els Az /rOman.



wot ImEl prOgrAm dM V Vz, enIwE?



/hV /b