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I am trying to find an interacting dictionary on the Web that provides British pronunciations. I have had no luck so far. Has someone found a site with one?

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I'm Bob Richmond, a 60 year old pathologist in Knoxville, Tennessee.I've been writing Shaw alphabet since I found a copy of Androcles and the Lion right after it was published in the early sixties. I'm starting a links page to connect people interested in the Shaw Alphabet. It's at http://members.aol.com/RSRICHMOND/shavian.html Keep writing!

Hello there... Well, I'm a beginning user of Shavian... I've noticed very,
_very_ few resources on the WWW for Shavian- Three different Unicode
pages, 2 PDFs, a couple sites with actual Shavian text, two sites with
Shavian TrueType fonts, one TeX/LaTeX metafont on many archives... But not
much else, it seems...

One idea, dunno if it'll help spread Shavian though, is to get Yahoo! to
add a Shavian category, and get some of our links there... :)

Now, off to practise... :)

....Quozl!

I've posted considerably more material on my Shaw Alphabet links page http://members.aol.com/RSRICHMOND/shavian.html including an introduction to the alphabet and transliterations of Jabberwocky and a fiendish test of the alphabet written by GBS himself. - But still no word from the mysterious Lionel Ghoti!

Hi all



I've been playing around with Shavian for a while now and finally decided
to delurk on the mailing list. I've even tried making a bitmapped font for the
Apple IIgs. That one still needs a bit of work and so does my Shavian. <G>

Things I'm wondering about:



1) Has anyone looked into the possibility of an alternative keymap for typing
in Shavian? I use Dvorak layout and it works well enough but the character
frequencies and hand changes are bound to be different than English in Roman
characters. It's a possibility for the future anyway.


2) Has anyone found an editor that's adaptable to saving Shavian text in Unicode
using the private use space or written something for editing or conversions
into that format or anything besides styled formats with a Shavian font?


--

Michael J. Rider, aka Ixbalam http://i.am/ixbalam



"While intelligent people can often simplify the complex,
a fool is more likely to complicate the simple."
-Gerald W. Grumet

> Hi all
>
> I've been playing around with Shavian for a while now and
> finally decided
> to delurk on the mailing list.
[snip]
> Things I'm wondering about:

>
> 2) Has anyone found an editor that's adaptable to saving Shavian
> text in Unicode
> using the private use space or written something for editing
> or conversions

AFAIK While there are several Unicode-aware programs available, none handle
Unicode properly, that is to say they don't give you an easy way to key in
the characters, or they occasionally 'forget' to save as Unicode. Try the
latest version of Word, that may do it. I do recall a special multi-language
word processor that let you key in any character under the sun, but I don't
think it used Unicode.

Good Luck!
Toodle-Pip
A.M.Callaway
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Hello.

Toodle-Pip
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In the message "RE: [shavian] Intro" dated 1999.02.26 (9:02 AM -0500), you wrote:

> AFAIK While there are several Unicode-aware programs available, none handle
> Unicode properly, that is to say they don't give you an easy way to key in
> the characters, or they occasionally 'forget' to save as Unicode. Try the
> latest version of Word, that may do it. I do recall a special multi-language
> word processor that let you key in any character under the sun, but I don't
> think it used Unicode.

I've seen several editors that used it for Asian languages but can't think of anything intended for editing the private use space characters like Shavian, Klingon and Tolkien's languages.
I think with Unicode it's a case of a complete solution with everything going for it but not being very widely adopted, like the PNG graphics format.

Fv sIn sevxl editxz TAt Vzd it fP Ezan laNgYiJiz but kant Tink uv AnITN intendid fP editN H pxivit jMs spEs kXyctxz lFk SEvWn, tlingn n tolkInz laNgYiJiz.
F Tink wiH jMnikOd itz a kEs uv a kumplIt sOlMSn wiH evxITiN gON fP it but nyt bIN vXI wFdli adoptid, lFk H piN gRafiks fPmAt.

Please excuse my inexperience with Shavian and maybe unreadable formatting. Does everyone else prefer HTML or richtext formatting in email?
--
Michael J. Rider, aka Ixbalam http://i.am/ixbalam

"Power may justly be compared to a great River, which while kept within
its due Bounds, is both Beautiful and Useful; but when it overflows
its Banks, it is then too impetuous to be stemm'd, bears down all
before it, and brings Destruction and Desolation wherever it comes."
-John Peter Zenger
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Part of the HTML-formatted text below is written in the Shavian alphabet. To read it you will need a Shavian font, such as Lionspaw, Shaw-Gothic or Shaw-Rough. Links explaining where you can download them can be found at www.homeusers.prestel.co.uk/den/shavian/fonts.html

Michael Rider asked if people prefer HTML or rich-text formatting in e-mail, and I'm confused. I thought that there were only two types of e-mail formatting: plain text and HTML-formatted text. Is there some sort of RTF standard as well? I use Outlook Express, and I prefer HTML-formatted e-mail (though Michael's Shavian text didn't appear properly on my computer, because the font name he used was "ShawRough", but the Shaw Rough font I have on my computer is registered with Windows as "Shaw"). I've created an HTML stationery file to be used with Outlook Express, which specifies the names of all the Shavian fonts I know of. This seems to work fine, but I've looked at the HTML of the messages I've sent, and it seems that Outlook Express has fiddled around with the HTML tags from my template, inserting all sorts of weird character combinations. Could everyone please tell me whether or not the Shavian portion of this message displays properly in their email program?

Lionel Ghoti



/mFkal /rFdD yskt if pIpal prifx HTML P ric-tekst fPmAtiN in I-mEl, n F'm kanfVzd. F TYt HAt HX wx OnlI tM tFps v I-mEl fPmAtiN: plEn tekst n HTML-fPmAtid tekst. iz HX sum sPt v RTF stAndDd Az wel? F Vz /QtlUk /ikspres, n F prifx HTML-fPmAtid I-mEl (HO /mFkal'z /SEvWn tekst didn't apC propDlI on mF kampVtD, bikoz H font nEm hI Vzd woz "ShawRough", but H /SY /ruf font F hAv on mF kampVtD iz reJistDd wiH /windOz Az "Shaw"). F'v krIEtid an HTML stESanarI fFl fP /QtlUk /ikspres, wic spesifFz H nEmz v Yl H /SEvWn fonts F nO of. His sImz t wxk fFn, but F'v lUkt At H HTML v H mesiJiz F'v sent, n it sImz hAt /QtlUk /ikspres hAz fidald DQnd wiH H HTML tAgz from mF templEt, insxtiN Yl sPts v wIDd kAriktD kombinEsanz. kUd evrIwon plIz tel mI weHD P not H /SEvWn pPSan v His mesiJ displEz propDlI in HX I-mEl prOgrAm?

/lFanal /fiS

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