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From: Star Raven
Date: 2001-10-25 14:09:44 #
Subject: Re: [shavian] Learning Strategies

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Think of how you learn any written language. I learned to read english
long before I learned to write it, this helped me to understand the
sound that the letters make. When I learned Hiragana, I learned by
reading the symbols, writing came later. I think you already have the
best strategy. Shavian is no different, really, from cyrillic or the
japanese kana, except that it is a sort of kana for brittish english.

Long live first shaw!
Star


--- Vir Strakul <strakul@...> wrote:
> I'm new to the Shavian language and am trying to learn it. For those
> who are more experienced with this language, what strategy would you
> recommend for learning it?
> I am first trying to be able to read it and then I'll try to learn
> how to write it. Is this a good strategy or should I first learn to
> write it?
> I know there are many ways to learn it but I want the easiest and
> fastest way to do so. Any other advice will be greatly appreciated.
>
> Thanks in advance,
> Vir Strakul
>
>


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From: richardcutler
Date: 2001-10-28 21:26:57 #
Subject: Re: [shavian] Learning Strategies

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Greetings Vir,
The Shavian Alphabet interests me as a teaching tool. The method I am
developing might help your approach to learning it.
I believe in teaching the SOUND to the learner in combination with the
SYMBOL. Then I write the Shavian symbols under the word printed in the
English Alphabet. This has the added advantage of allowing the learner to
'photograph' the irregular and illogical spellings of the English words
printed above the Shavian sound symbols, that sound alike but are spelled
differently. (For example: sleight and bite; sleigh and slay)
As I am not interested in Shavian as a means for writing fast or saving
space, I do not use the suggested abbreviations, since anyone learning
English needs to know that one says An Apple and A Peach. Abbreviations do
not make the distinction between A and AN or THE before a consonant and THE
(pronounced thee) before a vowel.
In order to teach Shavian it is essential to standardize the pronunciation,
so I use the pronunciation of the English Oxford Dictionary, which is the
basis for spelling, pronunciation, and usage of Standard English (or
Received English). American pronunciations would seriously confuse the
issue, as would a Scots, Irish or any British regional accent.
If you do try this method, please let me know what you think of it as a
means of teaching both English and the Shavian Phonetic System.
Regards, Quentin Kyle. PS In reply use only: cutler@..., I use the
e-mail of a friend and my own name would confuse the server.


----- Original Message -----
From: "Vir Strakul" <strakul@...>
To: <shavian@...>
Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2001 2:35 AM
Subject: [shavian] Learning Strategies


> I'm new to the Shavian language and am trying to learn it. For those
> who are more experienced with this language, what strategy would you
> recommend for learning it?
> I am first trying to be able to read it and then I'll try to learn
> how to write it. Is this a good strategy or should I first learn to
> write it?
> I know there are many ways to learn it but I want the easiest and
> fastest way to do so. Any other advice will be greatly appreciated.
>
> Thanks in advance,
> Vir Strakul
>
>
>
>
>
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>
>


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From: Y.Penzev
Date: 2001-11-21 12:45:47 #
Subject: [shavian] Hi from Ukraine

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halO, dC frendz!
F Am a liNgwist from /VkrEn. in /iNgliS V mE kYl mI /Fzak.
if V R intrastid, F hOp F'l bI Ebl t prAktis /SEvWn wiH V.

sinsCli jPz,
-- /Fzak

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From: Star Raven
Date: 2001-11-21 13:45:03 #
Subject: Re: [shavian] Hi from Ukraine

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Hello, /Fzak! Welcome to Shavian! Hooray for George Bernard Shaw! I hope you enjoy the list. I know that it allows us to both practice in and read Shavian --- "Y.Penzev" wrote: > halO, dC frendz! > F Am a liNgwist from /VkrEn. in /iNgliS V mE kYl mI /Fzak. > if V R intrastid, F hOp F'l bI Ebl t prAktis /SEvWn wiH V. > > sinsCli jPz, > -- /Fzak >

YESTERDAY this day's madness did prepare
TOMORROW's Silence, Triumph, or Dispair
Drink! for you know not whence you came or why:
Drink! for you know not why you go, nor where!

The Rubaiyat of Omar Khayyam



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From: Y.Penzev
Date: 2001-11-21 14:23:04 #
Subject: Re: [shavian] Hi from Ukraine

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Dear Star Raven!
Glad to hear from you!

----- Original Message -----
From: Star Raven
To: shavian@...
Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2001 3:45 PM
Subject: Re: [shavian] Hi from Ukraine


> Hello, /Fzak!

/Fzak shoud mean 'Isaac', I s'pose... :-))


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From: Simon Barne
Date: 2001-12-07 14:25:56 #
Subject: [shavian] Vanished websites

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Does anyone know what has happened to these sites? I am updating my list
of links.

Lionel Ghoti's - formerly at http://www.shavian.f9.co.uk/

A.M. Callaway's - formerly at
http://www.ozemail.com.au/~acal/PhonPage.html

Gary Shannon's - formerly at http://www.teleport.com/~fiziwig/shaw.html


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From: Newton, Philip
Date: 2001-12-07 14:47:19 #
Subject: Re: [shavian] Vanished websites

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Simon Barne wrote:
> Does anyone know what has happened to these sites? I am
> updating my list of links.

Hmm... bummer. I can't get to any of them, either.

If anyone whose site is still up wants to mirror their data at
http://www.shavian.org/ , they're welcome to do so, as far as I'm concerned.
(Or if anyone wants a yourname@... email address.)

I wonder whether Google's cache can help with restoring data? Unfortunately,
I think it only caches HTML, so any images or fonts on those pages will be
lost.

Cheers,
Philip
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All opinions are my own, not my employer's.
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From: Lee
Date: 2001-12-07 15:28:58 #
Subject: Re: [shavian] Vanished websites

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Try

http://www.archive.org/

Lee

on 12/7/01 7:25 AM, Simon Barne wrote:



Does anyone know what has happened to these sites? I am updating my list
of links.

Lionel Ghoti's - formerly at http://www.shavian.f9.co.uk/

A.M. Callaway's - formerly at
http://www.ozemail.com.au/~acal/PhonPage.html

Gary Shannon's - formerly at http://www.teleport.com/~fiziwig/shaw.html


Simon Barne
still at http://www.simonbarne.com/shavian/


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From: Ewout Stam
Date: 2001-12-08 13:58:51 #
Subject: [shavian] Word Frequency list

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Found this:

http://www.invisiblelighthouse.com/langlab/bncfreq.html

perhaps somebody can use it.

Ewout


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From: Ewout Stam
Date: 2001-12-08 14:06:06 #
Subject: Re: [shavian] Vanished websites

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-----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
Van: Simon Barne <sosostris@...>
Aan: shavian@... <shavian@...>
Datum: vrijdag 7 december 2001 15:26
Onderwerp: [shavian] Vanished websites


>Does anyone know what has happened to these sites? I am updating my list
>of links.
>
>Lionel Ghoti's - formerly at http://www.shavian.f9.co.uk/
>
>A.M. Callaway's - formerly at
>http://www.ozemail.com.au/~acal/PhonPage.html

It's moved here:

http://www.geocities.com/andy_callaway/


Ewout



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