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Due to the namer dot being on the forward-slash key, it means that there's no puncuational forward-slash that is usable with Shavian fonts. Granted, it's similar to "Woe", but it does serve a punctuational purpose.
My proposal is to move the namer dot to an alternate, unused key, like "G" (which Ross DeMeyere uses in the "Androcles" font), and restore the forward slash, either as a "short" Shavian character or as tall & deep as the "tall" & "deep" letters, combined... Thoughts?
D.M.Falk, aka Quozl, via the Lynx WWW interface, so this is readable...

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On 5 Apr 99, at 16:05, Dennis Falk wrote:

> Oh, and I pronounce "Society" with an "o", not "a"... :)

That's a "shwa" (generic unstressed vowel), not "o". I'd agree with
Hugh in pronouncing it "sussiety" / "sessiety" (with indeterminate
first vowel = Shavian 'a' [not 'A']). But to each his own idiolect :).

Cheers,
Philip
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F YlwEz spelt 'HANks' wiH a 'H' bikoz HAt's H wE F'v YlwEz spOkan it, n nO wun hAz evD karektid mI bifP... but nQ V pqnt it Qt, it iznt spelt HAt wE in '/AndraklIz n H lFan'. fxHDmP, evriwun F'v hxd from (wiH rigRd t SEvian) spelz it difDantli from mI. F ges F'm a mFnoriti hC, sO fP stAndDdFzESan'z sEk F SAl trF t spel it wiH a 'T' in fVcD (but F'l stil sE it wiH a 'H').

TANks,

/hV

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Philip Newton [mailto:Philip.Newton@...]
> Sent: 06 April 1999 09:30
> To: Hugh Birkenhead
> Subject: Re: [shavian] Web site question (again)
>
>
> Why do you always spell "thanks" with an initial 'H' instead of 'T'?
> (Making the initial sound that of "that" rather than "thank" -- sorry,
> I don't know the names of the letters by heart).
>
> Cheers,
> Philip
> --
> Philip Newton <Philip.Newton@...>
>

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F YlwEz spelt 'HANks' wiH a 'H' bikoz HAt's H wE F'v YlwEz spOkan it, n nO wun hAz evD karektid mI bifP... but nQ V pqnt it Qt, it iznt spelt HAt wE in '/AndraklIz n H lFan'. fxHDmP, evriwun F'v hxd from (wiH rigRd t SEvian) spelz it difDantli from mI. F ges F'm a mFnoriti hC, sO fP stAndDdFzESan'z sEk F SAl trF t spel it wiH a 'T' in fVcD (but F'l stil sE it wiH a 'H').

TANks,

/hV

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Philip Newton [mailto:Philip.Newton@...]
> Sent: 06 April 1999 09:30
> To: Hugh Birkenhead
> Subject: Re: [shavian] Web site question (again)
>
>
> Why do you always spell "thanks" with an initial 'H' instead of 'T'?
> (Making the initial sound that of "that" rather than "thank" -- sorry,
> I don't know the names of the letters by heart).
>
> Cheers,
> Philip
> --
> Philip Newton <Philip.Newton@...>
>

mF dikSanDi difAnz '/SEvWn' Az '1. [AJektiv] ov, rilEtiN t, P lFk /JPJ .bxnDd /SY, hiz wxks, FdWz, itsetDa. 2. [nQn] an AdmFDD v /SY P hiz wxks.'
F TiNk '/H /SEvWn /sasFati' wUd bI a gUd inuf nEm t rifx t QDselvz, fP jMs amuNkst QDselvz (sins wI dOn't tend t tYk abQt non-Alfabetikal /SY-rilEtid TiNz hC), but F dOn't TiNk it iz spasifik inuf fP jMs in H wFdD wxld: H vAst maJoriti v pipal familC wiH H wxd '/SEvWn' wUd TiNk wI wx simpli fAnz v /SY. HX Ylredi iz (P woz) suc a sasFati, kYld '/H /SY /sasFati'. on fEs vAlV, H tM nEmz R isenSali H sEm, n F TiNk HAt kUd kYz kanfVZan. if wI R t TiNk v a nEm fP QDselvs, F TiNk it nIdz t hAv H wxd 'Alfabet' in it.

lFanal

-----Original Message-----
From: Hugh Birkenhead <mixsynth@... <mailto:mixsynth@...> >
To: Shavian Mailing List <shavian@... <mailto:shavian@...> >
Date: 04 April 1999 12:43 pm
Subject: [shavian] Web Site question: our 'name'


dC SEvia,

H web sFt iz nQ bIiN bilt (HO it wil bI veri minimal t stRt wiH). bifP it gOz eni fxHD F wUd lFk t ysk V His kwescan:

wot SUd wI kYl QDselvz?
His iz ryHD impPtant. it iz wI hM R bildiN H sFt, sO wI must hAv sum sPt v a nEm wiH wic wI kAn rifx t QDselvz. igzympal nEmz inklMd '/H /intDnet /SEvian /rFtDz /sasFati', '/SEvian /sapPtDz /klub', et setDa; but prefDabli it wil bI sumTiN fR betD (F Am hOpiN V hAv sum betD saJescanz bikoz HOz R rubiS). mF pxsanal fEvDat, in kEs V'D intDestid, iz '/H /SEvian /sasFati' (it iz saksiNkt n it sQndz prafeSanal).

FdWz plIz? eni wUd bI aprISiEtid.

HANks,

/hV

p.s. HX wil bI mP kwescanz lFk His in H fVcD; His sFt iz a Jqnt efDt yftD Yl (sori if H kwescanz get ripetitiv yftD a wFl).

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In thinking of a name for our permanent Web site, we need to consider Internet search engines and the people we hope will be using them to find us.
The alphabet is consistently called Shaw Alphabet in Androcles and the Lion, which I believe does not use the word Shavian at all. The use of the word Shavian to describe the alphabet came much later. A searcher, particularly an elderly one, is much more likely to know about Shaw Alphabet than about Shavian.
Remember that the scenario we hope for is the Web savvy granddaughter asking the computer illiterate grandfather "Grandpa, what's that funny writing you and Aunt Jane write to each other with?" And Grandpa is going to reply "Shaw Alphabet" and granddaughter is going to drop that into a search engine....

Bob Richmond
http://members.aol.com/RSRICHMOND/shavian.html

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Evenin' All.

I've had a good idea to encourage people to convert to a phonetic
alphabet....

Tell everyone that the current alphabet is not Y2K compliant! :-0

Toodle-Pip
A.M.Callaway
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sO hQ abQt "/H /SEvWn /AlfabEt /sasFatI"?

cCz,
/filip

-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: Lionel Ghoti [mailto:ghoti@...]
Gesendet am: Dienstag, 6. April 1999 18:15
An: Shavian eGroup
Betreff: [shavian] Re: Web Site question: our 'name'

mF dikSanDi difAnz '/SEvWn' Az '1. [AJektiv] ov, rilEtiN t, P lFk /JPJ .bxnDd /SY, hiz wxks, FdWz, itsetDa. 2. [nQn] an AdmFDD v /SY P hiz wxks.'
F TiNk '/H /SEvWn /sasFati' wUd bI a gUd inuf nEm t rifx t QDselvz, fP jMs amuNkst QDselvz (sins wI dOn't tend t tYk abQt non-Alfabetikal /SY-rilEtid TiNz hC), but F dOn't TiNk it iz spasifik inuf fP jMs in H wFdD wxld: H vAst maJoriti v pipal familC wiH H wxd '/SEvWn' wUd TiNk wI wx simpli fAnz v /SY. HX Ylredi iz (P woz) suc a sasFati, kYld '/H /SY /sasFati'. on fEs vAlV, H tM nEmz R isenSali H sEm, n F TiNk HAt kUd kYz kanfVZan. if wI R t TiNk v a nEm fP QDselvs, F TiNk it nIdz t hAv H wxd 'Alfabet' in it.

lFanal

-----Original Message-----
From: Hugh Birkenhead <mixsynth@... <mailto:mixsynth@...> >
To: Shavian Mailing List <shavian@... <mailto:shavian@...> >
Date: 04 April 1999 12:43 pm
Subject: [shavian] Web Site question: our 'name'


dC SEvia,

H web sFt iz nQ bIiN bilt (HO it wil bI veri minimal t stRt wiH). bifP it gOz eni fxHD F wUd lFk t ysk V His kwescan:

wot SUd wI kYl QDselvz?
His iz ryHD impPtant. it iz wI hM R bildiN H sFt, sO wI must hAv sum sPt v a nEm wiH wic wI kAn rifx t QDselvz. igzympal nEmz inklMd '/H /intDnet /SEvian /rFtDz /sasFati', '/SEvian /sapPtDz /klub', et setDa; but prefDabli it wil bI sumTiN fR betD (F Am hOpiN V hAv sum betD saJescanz bikoz HOz R rubiS). mF pxsanal fEvDat, in kEs V'D intDestid, iz '/H /SEvian /sasFati' (it iz saksiNkt n it sQndz prafeSanal).

FdWz plIz? eni wUd bI aprISiEtid.

HANks,

/hV

p.s. HX wil bI mP kwescanz lFk His in H fVcD; His sFt iz a Jqnt efDt yftD Yl (sori if H kwescanz get ripetitiv yftD a wFl).

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Hugh said:
* At present, I have listed a great many keywords under the 'META
* NAME=keywords' tag. They are:
*
[snip]
* richmond, dennis falk, lee miller, andrew callaway, phillip newton, sidney
Oh look. I've been inducted into the Shavian Hall of Fame ;-)

Toodle-Pip
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This is true - 'Shavian' is only a recent dubbing for the alphabet; but bear
THIS in mind:

Internet search engines don't search for names of sites. Whatever other
'keywords' are listed under the 'META NAME=keywords' tag are indexed too, so
the site would come up on a search engine regardless of whether the
granddaughter searched for either 'shaw alphabet' or 'shavian alphabet'.

At present, I have listed a great many keywords under the 'META
NAME=keywords' tag. They are:

shavian, shaw alphabet, alphabet, shaw, shavian alphabet, george bernard
shaw, bernard shaw, kingsley read, phonetics, phonetic alphabet, proposed
british alphabet, new alphabet, spelling reform, orthography, androcles,
androcles and the lion, hugh birkenhead, ross demeyere, lionel ghoti, bob
richmond, dennis falk, lee miller, andrew callaway, phillip newton, sidney
tanaban, neil stewart, michael rider

(If there are any glaring omissions, or problems, please mention them to
me.)

Hugh

> -----Original Message-----
> From: rsrichmond@... [mailto:rsrichmond@...]
> Sent: 07 April 1999 03:31
> To: shavian@...
> Subject: [shavian] The Name of the Rows
>
>
> In thinking of a name for our permanent Web site, we need to
> consider Internet search engines and the people we hope will be
> using them to find us.
> The alphabet is consistently called Shaw Alphabet in Androcles
> and the Lion, which I believe does not use the word Shavian at
> all. The use of the word Shavian to describe the alphabet came
> much later. A searcher, particularly an elderly one, is much more
> likely to know about Shaw Alphabet than about Shavian.
> Remember that the scenario we hope for is the Web savvy
> granddaughter asking the computer illiterate grandfather
> "Grandpa, what's that funny writing you and Aunt Jane write to
> each other with?" And Grandpa is going to reply "Shaw Alphabet"
> and granddaughter is going to drop that into a search engine....
>
> Bob Richmond
> http://members.aol.com/RSRICHMOND/shavian.html
>
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