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Nice site. I have to ask though. Why does your site try to install
Gator on my machine when I go to it?

--- In shavian@y..., "teraiten" <teraiten@y...> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Finally I got my Quikscript website running. All the links should
work
> now.
>
> The site is also about the various keyboard drivers I've made.
Please
> take a good look at them, they might very well work for Shavian
too
> (as you know, Shavian and Quickscript fonts aren't too different).
If
> not, converting one of the drivers to proper shavian is about 10
> minutes of work.
>
> Here is the URL:
>
> http://quikscript.teraiten.cjb.net/
>
> /EvQt stym



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--- skilbo11834 <usmaak@...> wrote: > Nice site. I have
to ask though. Why does your site try to
> install
> Gator on my machine when I go to it?

I don't know. I never get such messages or banners. Then again, I use
old software, such as Netscape 4.7 or IE 4.

I didn't know .cjb.net had banners. Never see them. But I also use a
banner-blocker. But I never saw banners before that.

It must be somewhere in your IE settings that allow execution of
certain files. (so called 'certificates'). Once you (or someone else)
allows a certain certificate, IE will grant all further certificates
like it. So that must also be why it tries to install Gator. I don't
think good software would just execute programs you didn't ask for.
You could try and check your settings.

/EvQt stym
>
> --- In shavian@y..., "teraiten" <teraiten@y...> wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > Finally I got my Quikscript website running. All the links should
>
> work
> > now.
> >
> > The site is also about the various keyboard drivers I've made.
> Please
> > take a good look at them, they might very well work for Shavian
> too
> > (as you know, Shavian and Quickscript fonts aren't too
> different).
> If
> > not, converting one of the drivers to proper shavian is about 10
> > minutes of work.
> >
> > Here is the URL:
> >
> > http://quikscript.teraiten.cjb.net/
> >
> > /EvQt stym
>
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I'll check, but I'm confident my settings are fine. I am very protective of my machine. I run Ad-Aware a few times a week to make sure nothing has snuck by. This was not a banner, but a message asking that Gator be allowed to install on my machine. I said no, of course. The only time I have ever seen the message before was when intalling software. I always say no, and then run Ad-Aware to be certain that it didn't get installed anyway.

----- Original Message -----
From: Teraiten Sovo <mailto:teraiten@...>
To: shavian@... <mailto:shavian@...>
Sent: Monday, April 15, 2002 4:17 AM
Subject: Re: [shavian] Re: Quickscript website now complete

--- skilbo11834 <usmaak@... <mailto:usmaak@...> > wrote: > Nice site. I have
to ask though. Why does your site try to
> install
> Gator on my machine when I go to it?

I don't know. I never get such messages or banners. Then again, I use
old software, such as Netscape 4.7 or IE 4.

I didn't know .cjb.net had banners. Never see them. But I also use a
banner-blocker. But I never saw banners before that.

It must be somewhere in your IE settings that allow execution of
certain files. (so called 'certificates'). Once you (or someone else)
allows a certain certificate, IE will grant all further certificates
like it. So that must also be why it tries to install Gator. I don't
think good software would just execute programs you didn't ask for.
You could try and check your settings.

/EvQt stym
>
> --- In shavian@y..., "teraiten" <teraiten@y...> wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > Finally I got my Quikscript website running. All the links should
>
> work
> > now.
> >
> > The site is also about the various keyboard drivers I've made.
> Please
> > take a good look at them, they might very well work for Shavian
> too
> > (as you know, Shavian and Quickscript fonts aren't too
> different).
> If
> > not, converting one of the drivers to proper shavian is about 10
> > minutes of work.
> >
> > Here is the URL:
> >
> > http://quikscript.teraiten.cjb.net/
> >
> > /EvQt stym
>
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Hi there all,

Do any of you use chat programs (MSN Messenger, AOL, ICQ, Yahoo Messenger, etc.)? I think it would be interesting to chat real-time in Shavian.

Anyone interested?

Hugh

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The group's gone awfully quiet again. I do hope there are still people out there.

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Hi,

I recently visited http://www.shawalphabet.com/ , having seen it on
shavian.org . Is it really about shavian? I see Shavianesque letters, but
also some completely new characters. And I can't get any further, for I'm
asked a password I don't have

Can anybody shed some light on this subject?

Ewout



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I'm curious too. Last time I checked, that page wasn't anywhere near complete. It should be interesting to see it when it's done.

I think his idea is to somehow reform the Shavian alphabet as we know it.

----- Original Message -----
From: Ewout Stam <mailto:teraiten@...>
To: shavian@... <mailto:shavian@...>
Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2002 2:35 PM
Subject: [shavian] shawalphabet.com , is it really shavian?

Hi,

I recently visited http://www.shawalphabet.com/ , having seen it on
shavian.org . Is it really about shavian? I see Shavianesque letters, but
also some completely new characters. And I can't get any further, for I'm
asked a password I don't have

Can anybody shed some light on this subject?

Ewout



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--- In shavian@y..., "usmaak" <usmaak@a...> wrote:

> I think his idea is to somehow reform the Shavian alphabet as we
know it.

If that's the case, I don't think it's very efficient, as it seems to
contain meticulous and unnecessarily complex symbols like arrows and
spirals which are handled by simple curves and lines in traditional
Shavian.



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--- In shavian@y..., Star Raven <celestraof12worlds@y...> wrote:

> There really has never been a 200 symbol alphabet to include all of
the
> strange sounds the human voice can make, nore is there really a
reason
> to create one.

Well, there is the IPA (International Phonetic Alphabet) which is
used by linguists to transcribe the various sounds different
languages have (including those fancy clicks and pops found in
southern African languages :), but it's not intended for use by the
general public.


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I just discovered Shavian writing on the 18th, and by the 20th I was
so royally pissed with standard English spelling I pretty much
resolved right then and there to bring about the reformation that
Shaw wanted, even if I had to do it solo. However, I have a couple of
questions about the alphabet. First of all, what's the difference in
pronunciation between "o" (short), "ah", and "awe"? Second, how do
you represent the nasal "i" sound in "ing"? It's somewhere between
"ih" and "ee", but it doesn't seem to have any representation
anywhere.
Now for the proposal: As cool as the Shavian alphabet is, there
appears to be one major flaw in it... the letter "x", which is
pronounced either "ks" or "gz", depending on context. Shavian,
unfortunately, doesn't have any similar compound, so there are
occasional words which actually expand in Shavian (for
example, "exit", "maxim", etc). To correct this, I suggest adding a
couple of new characters to the standard set, which are a
combination of the "k" and "s" characters for the unvoiced x, and a
combination of "g" and "s" for the voiced version. To create these
new characters, simply add the top of the "s" character to the "k"
character and the bottom of the "s" to the "g" character. The little
loop extension shouldn't be any longer than half the length of the
top third of the Shavian letter space to prevent blending and
potential confusion (ie. xi with kp and ix with bg). This will
eliminate the one and only advantage that standard spelling has over
Shavian.
As for shawalphabet.com's "Shavian", it seems to violate at least two
of Shaw's proposed rules (ie. pleasant to look at, and everything
being written with a single stroke), so I seriously doubt it can be
considered real Shavian. For now, I'm definitely sticking with the
alphabet provided in Androcles. L8r.




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