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I'm American too ... and so is my accent ... obviously
I think that "hiccup" is a much better way of spelling
it ... probably an old Saxon pronunciation or
something ... but according to American Heritage
Dictionary, it can be spelt/spelled either way, but
pronounced the same:

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=hiccough

In fact, I haven't been able to find a single
dictionary that says it should be pronounced
"hick-coff". Can you find one? Couldn't the original
joke have been written by someone other than an
American? It was the only spelling that fit that I
could find. I know I've seen "hiccough" outside the
United States and it was pronounced "hick-cup" over
there.

Remember this?
(http://www.tpo.net/humor/Ultra/general/english.pronounce.fun.html)
> Finally, which rhymes with enough --
> Though, through, plough, or dough, or cough?
> ***Hiccough has the sound of cup.***
> My advice is to give up!!!


--- Star Raven <celestraof12worlds@...> wrote:
> Fist off in America, we spell it <hiccup> aand
> pronounce the other
> spelling as "hic-cof" second, that means that the ei
> should be long,
> and not making the long a sound.
>
> Nice try, but no dice
> --Star


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----- Original Message -----
From: "Star Raven" <celestraof12worlds@...>

> Fist off in America, we spell it <hiccup> aand pronounce the other
> spelling as "hic-cof" second, that means that the ei should be long,
> and not making the long a sound.

Well now I guess I understand what Shaw meant with the initial 'gh'. True,
it's an isolated occurrence, but it shows that 'gh' can indeed be read as
'p'.

And as for the 'pt' being from 'receipt', it doesn't have to be - don't
forget Greek words such as 'pterodactyl', 'ptolemy', etc. This would leave
the 'ei' separate, free to be interpreted as being from words like 'vein',
'veil', etc.

Am I sounding academic yet?

Hugh (pronounced "hoop") B


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----- Original Message -----
From: "Star Raven" <celestraof12worlds@...>

> Fist off in America, we spell it <hiccup> aand pronounce the other
> spelling as "hic-cof" second, that means that the ei should be long,
> and not making the long a sound.

Well now I guess I understand what Shaw meant with the initial 'gh'. True,
it's an isolated occurrence, but it shows that 'gh' can indeed be read as
'p'.

And as for the 'pt' being from 'receipt', it doesn't have to be - don't
forget Greek words such as 'pterodactyl', 'ptolemy', etc. This would leave
the 'ei' separate, free to be interpreted as being from words like 'vein',
'veil', etc.

Am I sounding academic yet?

Hugh (pronounced "hoop") B

Perhaps I missed it, but where does the "b" fit in?

Troy

----- Original Message -----
From: "Hugh Birkenhead" <mixsynth@...>
To: <shavian@...>
Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2003 6:58 AM
Subject: Re: [shavian] Ghoubteiptough


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> Perhaps I missed it, but where does the "b" fit in?

Probably from "doubt".

Cheers,
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Hi Star
I have never heard anyone even a toddler say hic-cof. And in Canada,
Hiccough is a perfectly acceptable spelling of <<hick-up>>. What
accent group would say hick cof?
Regards, Paul V.


--- In shavian@..., Star Raven <celestraof12worlds@y...>
wrote:
> Fist off in America, we spell it <hiccup> aand pronounce the other
> spelling as "hic-cof" second, that means that the ei should be long,
> and not making the long a sound.
>
> Nice try, but no dice
> --Star
>
> --- Scott Stephens <swstephe@y...> wrote:
> > deceit? receipt? (hey! this is fun!)
> >
> > --- Star Raven <celestraof12worlds@y...> wrote:
> > > And I can't fathom a silent p after an ei
> > >
> > > Star
> > >
> > > --- Hugh Birkenhead <mixsynth@f...>
> > > wrote:
> > > > I can understand most of the letters and which
> > > words they are taken
> > > > from to
> > > > produce the word 'potato' ,but I can't see how
> > > 'Gh' could EVER be
> > > > taken to
> > > > be a 'p'...
> > > >
> > > > ...but it probably wouldn't surprise me to learn
> > > of a word where it
> > > > is
> > > > pronounced as such...
> > > >
> > > > Hugh B
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: <RSRICHMOND@a...>
> > > > To: <shavian@...>
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2003 4:03 AM
> > > > Subject: [shavian] Ghoubteiptough
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Someone who identifies herself only as Meghan
> > > wrote me:
> > > > >
> > > > > >>I was challenged to figure out what the word
> > > "Ghoubteiptough"
> > > > means and
> > > > my
> > > > > hint was George Bernard Shaw.<<
> > > > >
> > > > > I explained that somebody spelled "potato" in
> > > "ghoti" style, and
> > > > she
> > > > thought
> > > > > I was making fun of her.
> > > > >
> > > > > Does anybody know the source of this jest? I
> > > remember reading about
> > > > it
> > > > maybe
> > > > > 50 years ago, but can't recall where.
> > > > >
> > > > > Bob Richmond
> > > > > Knoxville TN
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Stupid irregular language.

--Star

--- Hugh Birkenhead <mixsynth@...> wrote:
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Star Raven" <celestraof12worlds@...>
>
> > Fist off in America, we spell it <hiccup> aand pronounce the other
> > spelling as "hic-cof" second, that means that the ei should be
> long,
> > and not making the long a sound.
>
> Well now I guess I understand what Shaw meant with the initial 'gh'.
> True,
> it's an isolated occurrence, but it shows that 'gh' can indeed be
> read as
> 'p'.
>
> And as for the 'pt' being from 'receipt', it doesn't have to be -
> don't
> forget Greek words such as 'pterodactyl', 'ptolemy', etc. This would
> leave
> the 'ei' separate, free to be interpreted as being from words like
> 'vein',
> 'veil', etc.
>
> Am I sounding academic yet?
>
> Hugh (pronounced "hoop") B
>
>


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Maybe it's my local dialect. Thank you for comparing me to a toddler.

--Star

--- paul vandenbrink <pvandenbrink@...> wrote:
> Hi Star
> I have never heard anyone even a toddler say hic-cof. And in Canada,
> Hiccough is a perfectly acceptable spelling of <<hick-up>>. What
> accent group would say hick cof?
> Regards, Paul V.
>
>
> --- In shavian@..., Star Raven <celestraof12worlds@y...>
> wrote:
> > Fist off in America, we spell it <hiccup> aand pronounce the other
> > spelling as "hic-cof" second, that means that the ei should be
> long,
> > and not making the long a sound.
> >
> > Nice try, but no dice
> > --Star
> >
> > --- Scott Stephens <swstephe@y...> wrote:
> > > deceit? receipt? (hey! this is fun!)
> > >
> > > --- Star Raven <celestraof12worlds@y...> wrote:
> > > > And I can't fathom a silent p after an ei
> > > >
> > > > Star
> > > >
> > > > --- Hugh Birkenhead <mixsynth@f...>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > I can understand most of the letters and which
> > > > words they are taken
> > > > > from to
> > > > > produce the word 'potato' ,but I can't see how
> > > > 'Gh' could EVER be
> > > > > taken to
> > > > > be a 'p'...
> > > > >
> > > > > ...but it probably wouldn't surprise me to learn
> > > > of a word where it
> > > > > is
> > > > > pronounced as such...
> > > > >
> > > > > Hugh B
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: <RSRICHMOND@a...>
> > > > > To: <shavian@...>
> > > > > Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2003 4:03 AM
> > > > > Subject: [shavian] Ghoubteiptough
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > Someone who identifies herself only as Meghan
> > > > wrote me:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >>I was challenged to figure out what the word
> > > > "Ghoubteiptough"
> > > > > means and
> > > > > my
> > > > > > hint was George Bernard Shaw.<<
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I explained that somebody spelled "potato" in
> > > > "ghoti" style, and
> > > > > she
> > > > > thought
> > > > > > I was making fun of her.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Does anybody know the source of this jest? I
> > > > remember reading about
> > > > > it
> > > > > maybe
> > > > > > 50 years ago, but can't recall where.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Bob Richmond
> > > > > > Knoxville TN
> > > > > > RSRICHMOND on AOL
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
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> > > > >
> > > >
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> > > > hands, Wave right over left, Wave left over right,
> > > > Right fist over left, Left Fist over right,
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Aww ickle Star Waven's got hic-coughs! ;-)

Hugh B


----- Original Message -----
From: "Star Raven" <celestraof12worlds@...>
To: <shavian@...>
Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2003 6:54 PM
Subject: Re: [shavian] Re: Ghoubteiptough


> Maybe it's my local dialect. Thank you for comparing me to a toddler.
>
> --Star
>
> --- paul vandenbrink <pvandenbrink@...> wrote:
> > Hi Star
> > I have never heard anyone even a toddler say hic-cof. And in Canada,
> > Hiccough is a perfectly acceptable spelling of <<hick-up>>. What
> > accent group would say hick cof?
> > Regards, Paul V.
> >
> >
> > --- In shavian@..., Star Raven <celestraof12worlds@y...>
> > wrote:
> > > Fist off in America, we spell it <hiccup> aand pronounce the other
> > > spelling as "hic-cof" second, that means that the ei should be
> > long,
> > > and not making the long a sound.
> > >
> > > Nice try, but no dice
> > > --Star
> > >
> > > --- Scott Stephens <swstephe@y...> wrote:
> > > > deceit? receipt? (hey! this is fun!)
> > > >
> > > > --- Star Raven <celestraof12worlds@y...> wrote:
> > > > > And I can't fathom a silent p after an ei
> > > > >
> > > > > Star
> > > > >
> > > > > --- Hugh Birkenhead <mixsynth@f...>
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > I can understand most of the letters and which
> > > > > words they are taken
> > > > > > from to
> > > > > > produce the word 'potato' ,but I can't see how
> > > > > 'Gh' could EVER be
> > > > > > taken to
> > > > > > be a 'p'...
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ...but it probably wouldn't surprise me to learn
> > > > > of a word where it
> > > > > > is
> > > > > > pronounced as such...
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Hugh B
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > From: <RSRICHMOND@a...>
> > > > > > To: <shavian@...>
> > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2003 4:03 AM
> > > > > > Subject: [shavian] Ghoubteiptough
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Someone who identifies herself only as Meghan
> > > > > wrote me:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >>I was challenged to figure out what the word
> > > > > "Ghoubteiptough"
> > > > > > means and
> > > > > > my
> > > > > > > hint was George Bernard Shaw.<<
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I explained that somebody spelled "potato" in
> > > > > "ghoti" style, and
> > > > > > she
> > > > > > thought
> > > > > > > I was making fun of her.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Does anybody know the source of this jest? I
> > > > > remember reading about
> > > > > > it
> > > > > > maybe
> > > > > > > 50 years ago, but can't recall where.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Bob Richmond
> > > > > > > Knoxville TN
> > > > > > > RSRICHMOND on AOL
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
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> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > =====
> > > > > Hand Jive (do each movement twice): Pat Legs, Clap
> > > > > hands, Wave right over left, Wave left over right,
> > > > > Right fist over left, Left Fist over right,
> > > > > Hitchhiker right, Hitchhiker left.
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Aww ickle Star Waven's got hic-coughs! ;-)

Hugh B


----- Original Message -----
From: "Star Raven" <celestraof12worlds@...>
To: <shavian@...>
Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2003 6:54 PM
Subject: Re: [shavian] Re: Ghoubteiptough


> Maybe it's my local dialect. Thank you for comparing me to a toddler.
>
> --Star
>
> --- paul vandenbrink <pvandenbrink@...> wrote:
> > Hi Star
> > I have never heard anyone even a toddler say hic-cof. And in Canada,
> > Hiccough is a perfectly acceptable spelling of <<hick-up>>. What
> > accent group would say hick cof?
> > Regards, Paul V.
> >
> >
> > --- In shavian@..., Star Raven <celestraof12worlds@y...>
> > wrote:
> > > Fist off in America, we spell it <hiccup> aand pronounce the other
> > > spelling as "hic-cof" second, that means that the ei should be
> > long,
> > > and not making the long a sound.
> > >
> > > Nice try, but no dice
> > > --Star
> > >
> > > --- Scott Stephens <swstephe@y...> wrote:
> > > > deceit? receipt? (hey! this is fun!)
> > > >
> > > > --- Star Raven <celestraof12worlds@y...> wrote:
> > > > > And I can't fathom a silent p after an ei
> > > > >
> > > > > Star
> > > > >
> > > > > --- Hugh Birkenhead <mixsynth@f...>
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > I can understand most of the letters and which
> > > > > words they are taken
> > > > > > from to
> > > > > > produce the word 'potato' ,but I can't see how
> > > > > 'Gh' could EVER be
> > > > > > taken to
> > > > > > be a 'p'...
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ...but it probably wouldn't surprise me to learn
> > > > > of a word where it
> > > > > > is
> > > > > > pronounced as such...
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Hugh B
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > From: <RSRICHMOND@a...>
> > > > > > To: <shavian@...>
> > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2003 4:03 AM
> > > > > > Subject: [shavian] Ghoubteiptough
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Someone who identifies herself only as Meghan
> > > > > wrote me:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >>I was challenged to figure out what the word
> > > > > "Ghoubteiptough"
> > > > > > means and
> > > > > > my
> > > > > > > hint was George Bernard Shaw.<<
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I explained that somebody spelled "potato" in
> > > > > "ghoti" style, and
> > > > > > she
> > > > > > thought
> > > > > > > I was making fun of her.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Does anybody know the source of this jest? I
> > > > > remember reading about
> > > > > > it
> > > > > > maybe
> > > > > > > 50 years ago, but can't recall where.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Bob Richmond
> > > > > > > Knoxville TN
> > > > > > > RSRICHMOND on AOL
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
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> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > =====
> > > > > Hand Jive (do each movement twice): Pat Legs, Clap
> > > > > hands, Wave right over left, Wave left over right,
> > > > > Right fist over left, Left Fist over right,
> > > > > Hitchhiker right, Hitchhiker left.
> > > > >
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> > right over left, Wave left over right, Right fist over left, Left
> > Fist over right, Hitchhiker right, Hitchhiker left.
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Hitchhiker right, Hitchhiker left.
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