On 23 Oct 2003 at 21:31, Joseph Smith wrote:
> Who owns shavian.org,
I do.
> and why is it so uninspiring?
Because I'm not that great on providing content and nobody else has
volunteered so far.
I initially posted to this group about it saying I'd make the domain
available but others would have to provide content. So far, nobody has,
so it's just a link list and some forums where people can talk in and
about Shavian.
(The forums will, unfortunately, have to come down soon because they're
taking up more space than I've been paying for.)
> That should be our central hub, and yet it is a boring grey slate
> with not so much as a slither or shavian text!
Did you look at the forums (
http://shavian.org/hugh/ikonboard/ikonboard.cgi )? I admit I haven't
gone there for ages, but I'm fairly sure there is text in Shavian
there.
> Can't we either get it going, or get a new website?
Remember that we're all volunteers around here. This "we" includes
yourself.
If you want to provide content, you're more than welcome to; the
contact address is listed near the top of the Shavian web site.
(Including "Shavian" in the subject of the email would help so I don't
accidentally delete it amidst the volumes of spam I receive.)
Don't expect other people to do stuff. (I don't, either, at least as
regards the web site. So I live with its simply being a list of links.)
> Also, does anyone have a website/page all in shavian?
Did you have a look at some of the links? For example, Scott Harrison
has some documents in Shavian on his website (or had, last time I
checked -- I can't reach his server right now). Simon Barne, IIRC, used
to have advertisement spoofs converted to Shavian (but his site is
apparently empty, now).
Feel free to make your own!
> Or perhaps a unicode editor (all those ampersand/hash/semicolons pee
> me off)?
I've used UniPad ( http://www.unipad.org/ ), but that only lets you
edit 1000-character documents unless you either (a) register it for $99
or (b) live with only starting it for 10 minutes at a time (since the
1000-character limit doesn't kick in until then).
You don't necessarily need a Unicode editor for Shavian, though.
Actually, this is a tricky situation, since you have to decide on which
encoding to use; I would venture that most people have fonts that
include only "ASCII Shavian", which you can type in a normal editor
(e.g. "SEvWn" for "Shavian"). I've seen fonts which make use of the
code points in the ConScript Unicode Registry (I think Scott used
those), but not everyone has them. Then there's the matter that the
CSUR Shavian assignment is considered obsolete, as far as I know, since
the Unicode Consortium has allocated real live code points to Shavian --
but they're in the Secondary Multilingual Plane (Plane 1), which isn't
supported by all operating systems or applications, let alone by many
fonts yet (I imagine).
> I want to build a website (got the space reserved) to put up this
> standard, but if you know of anything that might help, please tell
> me.
If you have stuff about Shavian, you're welcome to host it on
shavian.org; this applies to anyone in this group.
My only condition is that you keep the space use to a reasonable
amount. I'm currently paying for 10 MB of space and I'd prefer not to
get close to that. (The account is currently using more than that,
which is why the forums have got to go, unfortunately. I'm also using
around 6 MB for personal stuff related to conlangs at the moment.)
I know that's not very much, but I'm not currently prepared to pay more
for the account as I don't have *that* much spare cash. If any of you
want to chip in, that would be much appreciated -- for example, with
the host I'm using, 50 MB cost $83 a year, 100 MB cost $155 a year, and
300 MB cost $299 a year. I'm currently paying $36 a year, so somebody
else would have to come up with the difference (or at least most of it)
for me to be willing to upgrade.
Or you can start a competing site at a different domain if you want.
Heck, host it on Tripod or GeoCities for free (and live with ad
banners).
But please keep it updated yourself; Shavian sites seem to have this
habit of disappearing after a year or three.
I'd love to see more and diverse content on shavian.org, but I don't
have the skill, time, or inclination to produce it myself, so I've been
depending on you all. He who complaineth about there being no content,
let him submit the first document. (And he who submitteth much data,
let him open his own web site or help pay for the space. Sorry I can't
offer more than this at the moment, but TANSTAAFL.)
Cheers,
Philip
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Philip Newton <Philip.Newton@...>
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