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From: Star Raven
Date: 2004-01-27 03:16:25 #
Subject: Re: [shavian] Namer dot: is this okay?

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I have sent it in before, not long ago... do you want me to send it
again just to you?

--Star

--- Ethan <ethanl@...> wrote:
> Star Raven wrote:
> > In mine q is empty save for the namer dot. Oil is off somewhere.
> >
> > --Star
>
> Well, then you're in the same situation as Scott with his capital B.
> You don't need the conversion program unless you use ascii Shavian
> and
> want to convert it to Unicode, so it wouldn't affect you if I use the
>
> capital G. Nevertheless, I will take note of your preference, if you
>
> will tell me the rest of the keys you are using, and I might be able
> to
> create an option in my program to allow the use of alternate keys.
> In
> fact, I might see if I can support the use of a simple key map file,
> which would allow you to define your own keyboard layout, and will
> convert it accordingly to the proper code points. I can't promise
> this
> for the first version, though!
>
> --
> Ethan
>
>


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From: Ethan
Date: 2004-01-27 03:32:01 #
Subject: Re: [shavian] Namer dot: is this okay?

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Star Raven wrote:
> I have sent it in before, not long ago... do you want me to send it
> again just to you?
>
> --Star

No, that's okay. I just wasn't sure if it was the same as what you sent
before. I'll use the one you sent, I'm sure I have it here somewhere -
if not, it's in the archives.

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From: Star Raven
Date: 2004-01-27 04:15:05 #
Subject: Re: [shavian] Namer dot: is this okay?

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Use the corrected one... in the first one, I for got mum ;)

--Star

--- Ethan <ethanl@...> wrote:
> Star Raven wrote:
> > I have sent it in before, not long ago... do you want me to send it
> > again just to you?
> >
> > --Star
>
> No, that's okay. I just wasn't sure if it was the same as what you
> sent
> before. I'll use the one you sent, I'm sure I have it here somewhere
> -
> if not, it's in the archives.
>
> --
> Ethan
>
>


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From: Philip Newton
Date: 2004-01-27 05:38:08 #
Subject: Re: [shavian] Namer dot: is this okay?

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On 26 Jan 2004 at 16:12, Ethan wrote:

> Philip Newton wrote:
> > Not a problem if we use Unicode, either from CSUR (which would be
> > rather broken) or from the real, allocated code points in the SMP.
>
> Exactly. As for CSUR, I would leave it alone, because it's outdated
> now that Unicode 4 is out, and because you can't depend on what
> characters might show up in that space, which I assume is what you
> meant by "broken".

Well, there wouldn't be official characters in the CSUR range since
it's officially "private use", but I suppose the CSUR themselves (a
private project) might re-allocate that range now that Shavian has its
own block in Unicode.

I meant "broken" more in the sense that there's not much point in
getting people to support Unicode in order to use CSUR when we might as
well go all the way and support the proper code points. "Obsolete",
perhaps.

Cheers,
Philip
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From: Ethan
Date: 2004-01-27 05:49:51 #
Subject: Re: [shavian] Namer dot: is this okay?

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Philip Newton wrote:
>
> Well, there wouldn't be official characters in the CSUR range since
> it's officially "private use", but I suppose the CSUR themselves (a
> private project) might re-allocate that range now that Shavian has its
> own block in Unicode.
>
> I meant "broken" more in the sense that there's not much point in
> getting people to support Unicode in order to use CSUR when we might as
> well go all the way and support the proper code points. "Obsolete",
> perhaps.
>
> Cheers,
> Philip

That's what I was thinking. And besides all that, the CSUR doesn't
control the private use area any more than anybody else, it's merely a
voluntary effort to get people to coordinate their use of the private
area. The CSUR has withdrawn Shavian from their registry since it has
received permanent allocation. Since you never really know what might
show up in that space, it's best we not use it.

--
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From: paul vandenbrink
Date: 2004-01-27 15:56:27 #
Subject: [shavian] Namer dot: By any other name

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Hi Ethan
I am quite used to a Capital G, as that is the preferred letter for
my Shaw font. In a pinch you could always use an Asterisk.
I am sure that anyone faamiliar with Shavian would make the leap.
Is there any other SHaw function for which an asterisk is used?
Regards, Paul V.
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--- In shavian@..., Ethan <ethanl@3...> wrote:
> Philip Newton wrote:
> >
> > Well, there wouldn't be official characters in the CSUR range
since
> > it's officially "private use", but I suppose the CSUR themselves
(a
> > private project) might re-allocate that range now that Shavian
has its
> > own block in Unicode.
> >
> > I meant "broken" more in the sense that there's not much point in
> > getting people to support Unicode in order to use CSUR when we
might as
> > well go all the way and support the proper code
points. "Obsolete",
> > perhaps.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Philip
>
> That's what I was thinking. And besides all that, the CSUR doesn't
> control the private use area any more than anybody else, it's
merely a
> voluntary effort to get people to coordinate their use of the
private
> area. The CSUR has withdrawn Shavian from their registry since it
has
> received permanent allocation. Since you never really know what
might
> show up in that space, it's best we not use it.
>
> --
> Ethan




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From: Ethan
Date: 2004-01-27 19:42:07 #
Subject: Re: [shavian] Namer dot: By any other name

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paul vandenbrink wrote:
> Hi Ethan
> I am quite used to a Capital G, as that is the preferred letter for
> my Shaw font. In a pinch you could always use an Asterisk.
> I am sure that anyone faamiliar with Shavian would make the leap.
> Is there any other SHaw function for which an asterisk is used?
> Regards, Paul V.

Hi, Paul, thanks for your input.

There is no Shaw function for the asterisk, that I'm aware of, yet there
are other uses for the asterisk, including the marking of footnotes*,
text *emphasis* in email messages, and in computer command lines ($ ls
shavian/*.txt). If we put the namer dot on the asterisk (shift 8) key,
then that key would become unavailable for these other purposes, or
would be more difficult to use. Try differentiating the command line
*.*, if it looks like ·.·! Or what about our ·emphasis·, or ·.txt? How
about the footnote·?

So, I'm inclined to support the shift-G key for namer dot, because even
though in ascii it tends to blend in more with the text, it has the
advantage of not interfering with any keys which have other uses.

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From: Ph. D.
Date: 2004-01-28 01:53:57 #
Subject: Re: [shavian] Namer dot: By any other name

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Ethan skribis:
>
> There is no Shaw function for the asterisk, that I'm
> aware of, yet there are other uses for the asterisk,
> including the marking of footnotes*, text *emphasis*
> in email messages, and in computer command lines
> ($ ls shavian/*.txt). If we put the namer dot on the
> asterisk (shift 8) key, then that key would become
> unavailable for these other purposes, or would be
> more difficult to use. Try differentiating the command
> line *.*, if it looks like ·.·! Or what about our ·emphasis·,
> or ·.txt? How about the footnote·?


In the same way, I've always thought that the Shaw
character for Woe was unfortunate since it looks so
much like a slash. Consider a path name in Shavian
with slashes and Woe characters. The Woe is lower,
but still it makes it difficult to distinguish.

Capital G seems the way to go for the namer dot.

--Ph. D.





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From: Hugh Birkenhead
Date: 2004-01-28 12:20:22 #
Subject: Re: [shavian] Namer dot: By any other name

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Ph. D." <phild@...>
To: <shavian@...>
Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2004 10:38 PM
Subject: Re: [shavian] Namer dot: By any other name


> Ethan skribis:
> >
> > There is no Shaw function for the asterisk, that I'm
> > aware of, yet there are other uses for the asterisk,
> > including the marking of footnotes*, text *emphasis*
> > in email messages, and in computer command lines
> > ($ ls shavian/*.txt). If we put the namer dot on the
> > asterisk (shift 8) key, then that key would become
> > unavailable for these other purposes, or would be
> > more difficult to use. Try differentiating the command
> > line *.*, if it looks like ·.·! Or what about our ·emphasis·,
> > or ·.txt? How about the footnote·?
>
>
> In the same way, I've always thought that the Shaw
> character for Woe was unfortunate since it looks so
> much like a slash. Consider a path name in Shavian
> with slashes and Woe characters. The Woe is lower,
> but still it makes it difficult to distinguish.
>
> Capital G seems the way to go for the namer dot.
>
> --Ph. D.

I agree. It's been on that key since the early days of Shavian fonts. All we
need do is restore the slash to the slash key.

Hugh B

From: Hugh Birkenhead
Date: 2004-01-28 12:21:27 #
Subject: Re: [shavian] Namer dot: By any other name

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Ph. D." <phild@...>
To: <shavian@...>
Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2004 10:38 PM
Subject: Re: [shavian] Namer dot: By any other name


> Ethan skribis:
> >
> > There is no Shaw function for the asterisk, that I'm
> > aware of, yet there are other uses for the asterisk,
> > including the marking of footnotes*, text *emphasis*
> > in email messages, and in computer command lines
> > ($ ls shavian/*.txt). If we put the namer dot on the
> > asterisk (shift 8) key, then that key would become
> > unavailable for these other purposes, or would be
> > more difficult to use. Try differentiating the command
> > line *.*, if it looks like ·.·! Or what about our ·emphasis·,
> > or ·.txt? How about the footnote·?
>
>
> In the same way, I've always thought that the Shaw
> character for Woe was unfortunate since it looks so
> much like a slash. Consider a path name in Shavian
> with slashes and Woe characters. The Woe is lower,
> but still it makes it difficult to distinguish.
>
> Capital G seems the way to go for the namer dot.
>
> --Ph. D.

I agree. It's been on that key since the early days of Shavian fonts. All we
need do is restore the slash to the slash key.

Hugh B




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