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At 10:20 PM 4/17/00 -0700, you wrote:
> Dan,
>
>Shavian and Shavian derivitives such as PMF (monofon) are really
substitutes for

[A very big snip]

What is PMF, Steve?

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In The Kingsley Read Alphabet Collection, Read says

"Throughout 1962 I had been preparing plans for a Shavian
typewriter, and on propaganda grounds the Trustee accepted
quotations obtained from Imperial Typewriters Ltd, Leicester.
The special letters were cut for around 70 pounds and thereafter
a normal portable machine (44 keys, 88 characters) was available
at the current catalogue price of 29 pounds. The Trustee provided
Mr MacCarthy and myself with the first two such machines."

Do any of these machines still exist?

--Phillip Driscoll

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Hi all,

I just wanted to post something so the month of May would not be
devoid of group postings. I have placed A Christmas Carol onto my
web
page. I am currently working on Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde and
hopefully
will have it done early in June. Enjoy.

--Scott



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At 12:25 AM 6/1/2000 -0000, you wrote:
>
>A mailing list for discussion in -- and about -- the Shavian alphabet
>
Hi! I'm very new to the Shavian language. I was introduced to it only
yesterday when I saw a '62 copy of Androcles and the Lion at the library.
Being intriqued by the unique script inside (I'm obsessed with different
languages), it was then I was shown yet another modern lingual device which
I found fascinating. Aspiring to be a writer/publisher/comic artist
someday, I think Shavian would be extremely useful, especially in comic
text bubbles which have little amount of space.
-Cathy


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So, is the Shavian group still alive? Does the vault still exist somewhere
on the net? I'd love to hear a resounding "yes" to these questions from
someone.... Dan Szczurek

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>From: "Scott Harrison" <scott_harrison@...>
>To: shavian@...
>Subject: [shavian] A Christmas Carol is ready
>Date: Wed, May 31, 2000, 7:58 AM
>

> Hi all,
>
> I just wanted to post something so the month of May would not be
> devoid of group postings. I have placed A Christmas Carol onto my
> web
> page. I am currently working on Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde and
> hopefully
> will have it done early in June. Enjoy.
>
> --Scott
>
>
>
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>
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Out of curiosity, what is the url for your website?
Thanks,

Stuart

At 14:58 05/31/2000 +0000, you wrote:
>Hi all,
>
> I just wanted to post something so the month of May would not be
>devoid of group postings. I have placed A Christmas Carol onto my
>web
>page. I am currently working on Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde and
>hopefully
>will have it done early in June. Enjoy.
>
>--Scott
>
>
>
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4616 Hickman
Des Moines, IA 50310


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Stuart,

The URL is http://www.mithrandir.com and then follow the "links" to Software and then Shavian.

--
Scott Harrison

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I'm sure that you are aware :-) that there is no such thing as a "Shavian
Translation." The correct term is transliteration.

Ciao,
Bill

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In a message from YDerwydd@...
dated Mon, 05 Jun 2000 14:58:41 -0400 (EDT), my mailer made me see:

-> I'm sure that you are aware :-) that there is no such thing as a "Shavian
-> Translation." The correct term is transliteration.
->
-> Ciao,
-> Bill
->

Bill,

I actually had a rough time determining which I should use. Transliteration would be the correct term if all I were doing was switching alphabets. However, there is a little more than that involved in the work that I am doing. First of all I am using specific Shavian spellings for specific English words based on my pronunciation. People will write the same English words with different Shavian spellings because those words are pronounced differently by them. This aspect may not be worthy of the use of translation, but I think the next is. I do not use all the abbreviations used in English. For example "Mr." is spelled out. Basically what I am saying is there are choices that I make when making the Shavian documents. These choices are arbitrary and can be disputed easily by many. Therefore, I think the work warrants the use of translation vice transliteration.

Please feel free to critique my work as I may have erred in many of the things I have done. I would like to improve the documents, my dictionary, my translation software, etc. I do review the work, and that is what takes me so long to get the documents published. As my software, etc. gets better documents should be easier, but then I discover so many interesting things about English documents that it seems my work will never be done. Do note that I have Androcles and the Lion in the Shaw Alphabet and do not follow the same pronunciation used there.

If anyone has any suggestions of favorite works they would like translated, please suggest away and I may tackle them if I am interested. From my web site one may see that I like literature (and a bit of history that is important to Americans). For those in the Macintosh community, I am trying to ensure that MacOS X will be Shavian ready when it is released in beta form, and that it will always be Shavian capable in the future. For those in the Windows world, I will try to do as much as I can but I rely on others for their font talents (which is true for the Macintosh world as well), and I am not familiar with the proper way to do input mechanisms in Windows. And of course I follow the Unicode standard and will transform all my documents to the real Unicode code points when Unicode officially adopts Shavian.

--
Scott Harrison

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Hello everyone.

After that wonderful introduction of myself, I would like to say that
I am disappointed in the Shavian alphabet. I am impressed by the
wonderful sites I have found on the internet, and the work that has
gone into Shavian fonts. I am disappointed because I assumed that
Shavian would be a form of shorthand that did not confuse different
pronunciations of words as shorthand does.

Since Shaw used shorthand, do you all not believe that this is what
he wanted? Do you not think that he wanted an alphabet similar to
shorthand in that one could write fluidly in script for each word?

I have downloaded all of the fonts I can find, including "Shaw
Script" which I hoped would join things together despite the warnings
from Read that they should not. I read that there was a "Senior
Script" of a further develpment by Read at
http://members.aol.com/RSRICHMOND/quickscript.html and that the
sample shown was "Junior" and was printed (as opposed to
handwritten/script).

My question is, is there a script form of Shavian? It must surely be
the next step, because all writing systems developed an uppercase and
lowercase system in the past. I know, some are not hand-writeable
but are just smaller versions of the uppercase, but Shavian is based
on the phenomes of English, and English has lowercase and script.

I am asking because I would like to use Shavian. In my "daytimer"
(calendar book), I am often holding it in one hand and writing with
the other, sometimes in a moving vehicle, sometimes while chatting.
I actually write notes to myself in print but find myself using
handwriting in my 'things to do' book because I must.

Where is the fluid version of Shavian, which I believe wholeheartedly
that Shaw wanted?

- Zeno


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