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Well, Andy, one of these days I'm putting up a Shaw page...
and if you can't find a place to put it, I'd certainly store it
myself and let you point to it.

That would be an incentive for me to get off my tail and create
the page. :)

Cheers,
Hal

--- In shavian@..., Philip Newton <philip.newton@d...> wrote:
> A.M.Callaway wrote:
> > Anyway the upshot of this is that if I can't get it down
> > to about 4Mb, I will not be able to host it on my
> > site, and it will probably choke the eGroup's Vault.
>
> Have you considered web storage à la X:drive? I think that gives
you 20 MB
> or so of storage, and you can have public space that anyone can
download
> from.
>
> Cheers,
> Philip


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I agree with Hal Fulton that "Shaw Alphabet" is preferable to "Shavian".

Let me give an additional reason: Nowhere in Androcles or other Shaw alphabet
documents of the early 1960's and later have I ever seen the word "Shavian".
The word had existed for a long time, as a jocular reference to Shaw and his
works, but its use to denote the alphabet is a change that we have made in
the last few years. I've sometimes gone along with the "Shavian" usage, but
since somebody brings the subject up, I'll add my support to avoiding it.

Bob Richmond
Knoxville, Tennessee USA
http://members.aol.com/RSRICHMOND/shavian.html
(see how well I practice what I preach!)

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On 8/1/00 at 7:03 PM RSRICHMOND@aol.com wrote:

>I agree with Hal Fulton that "Shaw Alphabet" is preferable to "Shavian".

Only problem is, Shaw had nothing to do with the alphabet, except fund its choice, development, and propagation via his will... To that, Shavian is a better name, named in honour of him, but not his.

D.M.Falk




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--- In shavian@..., RSRICHMOND@a... wrote:
> I agree with Hal Fulton that "Shaw Alphabet" is preferable
to "Shavian".
>
> Let me give an additional reason: Nowhere in Androcles or other
Shaw alphabet
> documents of the early 1960's and later have I ever seen the
word "Shavian".

:) Well, I hate to disagree with somebody who agrees with me...

I just went and looked it up in Androcles. In the early parts,
the term is "Shaw's Alphabet." Toward the back, the term is
"The Shaw Alphabet."

But on page 17, the word 'Shavian' first appears (in single quotes,
just like that). When it appears again a few lines down it is
not in quotes. It also appears three times in Kingsley Read's
"Suggestions for Writing" in the back of Androcles, but does not
appear at all in the material written by James Pitman or Peter
McCarthy.

Maybe it was a Readism. But at any rate, it IS in Androcles. I can't
speak for other early documents, as this is the only one I have
ever seen.

For what it's worth.

Thanks,
Hal

> The word had existed for a long time, as a jocular reference to
Shaw and his
> works, but its use to denote the alphabet is a change that we have
made in
> the last few years. I've sometimes gone along with the "Shavian"
usage, but
> since somebody brings the subject up, I'll add my support to
avoiding it.
>
> Bob Richmond
> Knoxville, Tennessee USA
> http://members.aol.com/RSRICHMOND/shavian.html
> (see how well I practice what I preach!)

Well, I stand corrected! I could have sworn I'd looked through Androcles and
not found the word - I should have repeated my search by for running off like
that!

>>But on page 17, the word 'Shavian' first appears (in single quotes, just
like that). When it appears again a few lines down it is not in quotes. It
also appears three times in Kingsley Read's "Suggestions for Writing" in the
back of Androcles...<<

Bob Richmond

--- In shavian@..., "Dennis Falk" <quozl1@e...> wrote:
>
>
> On 8/1/00 at 7:03 PM RSRICHMOND@a... wrote:
>
> >I agree with Hal Fulton that "Shaw Alphabet" is preferable
to "Shavian".
>
> Only problem is, Shaw had nothing to do with the alphabet, except
fund its choice, development, and propagation via his will... To
that, Shavian is a better name, named in honour of him, but not his.

That's very interesting, as I would think the other way around.

For example, if someone says "the Shavian legacy," I think that it
is his -- owned by him, not named for him. On the other hand, if a
building were named the "Shaw Library," I would think that it was
named for him, not owned by him.

I've always felt it was a shame he did not get to see the alphabet...
and I've always wondered what he actually would have thought of it.
Wouldn't it be ironic if the alphabet named for him were something
he would have hated had he ever seen it?

Hal

> D.M.Falk

Count me in. I've never been comfortable with "Shavian," so if we're
looking for a consensus, I vote for "Shaw Alphabet," which is the term
I always use in speaking about it.

--Phillip Driscoll

-----Original Message-----
From: RSRICHMOND@aol.com <RSRICHMOND@aol.com>
To: shavian@... <shavian@...>
Date: Tuesday, August 01, 2000 7:03 PM
Subject: [shavian] shavian vs. shaw alphabet


>I agree with Hal Fulton that "Shaw Alphabet" is preferable to "Shavian".
>
>I've sometimes gone along with the "Shavian" usage, but
>since somebody brings the subject up, I'll add my support to avoiding it.
>
>Bob Richmond
>Knoxville, Tennessee USA
>http://members.aol.com/RSRICHMOND/shavian.html
>(see how well I practice what I preach!)

Hal Fulton wrote:
> Thanks for taking this initiative, Philip. Perhaps some of us
> can share the financial burden (small though it may be). I'd
> be happy to send you five or ten if you can accept a check on
> a US bank.
>
> Actually, (procrastinator that I am) I had intended to do the same
> thing myself, for two reasons: 1. As a service to our community;
> 2. To express my preference for the name ShawAlphabet.org rather
> than shavian.org (no, I won't put up a competing site). :)

It looks as if some people quite prefer ShawAlphabet.org. That domain name
is <fx:checks WHOIS>Hmm, whois appears to be down. But I can't find a name
server for it, so the domain is probably still available. Ditte with
shaw-alphabet.org.

Does someone want to go ahead and register it?

FWIW, I've heard good things about joker.com and gandi.net as domain
registries for .com .net .org -- I registered shavian.org with joker.com.

Costs (for my choices) would be on the order of USD 50 per annum -- about
USD 14 for registration with joker (EUR 12 + VAT), slightly higher with
gandi due to higher VAT rate in France vs. Germany; and USD 3 per month =
USD 36 per year for hosting with digitalspace.net using their "starter"
package -- MySQL database, shell, own CGI scripts (Perl, Python, TCL,
C/C++), unlimited e-mail aliases and POP3 accounts, unlimited e-mail
forwarders, 10 MB storage space, permanent IP address. 1 MB more costs
$0.35/month, $4.20/year; 50 MB costs $15/month, $180/year total ("basic"
package).

Any other suggestions? Any volunteers? Would you prefer
shawalphabet.org or shaw-alphabet.org? Or maybe both? I used shavian.org
because that's what I'd heard it called in these "insider" circles (see also
the name of the mailing list, etc.). Maybe I should have asked first.

I'd be willing to organise it if you decided it's a good idea and no-one
else volunteers, but in that case, I'd appreciate some distribution of the
costs (no idea about cashing US cheques in Germany; maybe USD cash in an
envelope is easier).

Or isn't it really worth the bother and we'll stick with individual web
pages and possibly shavian.org?

Cheers,
Philip

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In a message from Philip Newton <philip.newton@...>
dated Wed, 02 Aug 2000 10:07:19 +0200, my mailer made me see:

->
-> I'd be willing to organise it if you decided it's a good idea and no-one
-> else volunteers, but in that case, I'd appreciate some distribution of the
-> costs (no idea about cashing US cheques in Germany; maybe USD cash in an
-> envelope is easier).
->
-> Or isn't it really worth the bother and we'll stick with individual web
-> pages and possibly shavian.org?
->
-> Cheers,
-> Philip
->

Hi,

I just registered ShawAlphabet.org (and found that .com and .net are still free) and when I get the DNS propagated I will create a web page that automatically forwards to www.shavian.org so we can keep one space with the two domains.

--
Scott Harrison

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>From: Philip Newton <philip.newton@...>
>Reply-To: shavian@...
>To: "'shavian@...'" <shavian@...>
>Subject: Re: [shavian] Rosetta
>Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2000 16:45:49 +0200
>
>A.M.Callaway wrote:
> > Anyway the upshot of this is that if I can't get it down
> > to about 4Mb, I will not be able to host it on my
> > site, and it will probably choke the eGroup's Vault.
>
>Have you considered web storage à la X:drive? I think that gives you 20 MB
>or so of storage, and you can have public space that anyone can download
>from.
>
>Cheers,
>Philip
>
>
>
>
>

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