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A.M.Callaway wrote:
> What on Earth is Bopomofo? Sounds like a Robin Williams movie. :-)

They're symbols used to write Chinese. As far as I know, they're used only
on Taiwan and only for school children who are learning to read. Possibly
dictionaries also include bopomofo next to the Chinese characters. Named
after the first four letters, which are b p m f, pronounced bo po mo fo.

Actually, I believe that even Pinyin, the Latin-alphabet-based transcription
for Chinese that is used mainly in Mainland China, is usually ordered b p m
f d t n l... instead of a b c ch d... .

(I think the order is bo po mo fo de te ne le ge ke he zhi chi shi ji qi xi
zi ci si ri followed by the vowels and diphthongs, whose order I no longer
remember.)

Hmm.... one could say that bopomofo are Shavian for Chinese, since Pinyin
sometimes uses two letters for one sound (such as 'ch') or one letter for
two different sounds (such as 'u' in 'ju' vs. 'zhu'), but bopomofo is not
without its own surprises (or irregularities), either -- for example, 'u' +
'en' = 'wen' but 'c' + 'u' + 'en' = 'cun', not 'cuen' or 'cwen'.

Cheers,
Philip

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"Bopomofo" is sort of like "ABC". The official name is "zhuyin fuhao".

Here are some pages with information:

http://www.aproposinc.com/pages/asiantrm.htm
(Terminology page. Excerpt on bopomofo: "Bopomofo (boe-poe-moe-foe) is the
common name (like ABC) for the traditional Chinese phonetic syllabary
consisting of 37 phonetic characters and 4 tone markings. Tones indicate the
pitch at which a syllable is uttered (English uses tones to indicate
emphasis, a question, irony, etc., but not spelling). Bopomofo is used to
indicate the pronunciation of a hanzi, but is not used alone to make
sentences. Bopomofo is taught and used in Taiwan and Hong Kong.") I'd
disagree with the pronunciation "boe-poe-moe-foe" which would be bOpOmOfO in
Shavian; I'd go for something more like bYpYmYfY with the RP sound "awe".

http://www.wlu.edu/~hhill/bpmf.html
Four pages on bopomofo, showing the initials, finals, and tones. Has images
of the symbols. Here you can find out what value each symbol has (how it is
pronounced).

http://zhongwen.com/zhuyin.htm
Also contains bopomofo; each symbol is a link to characters whose
pronunciation begins with that sound. The site as a whole contains a wealth
of information on Chinese characters.

http://charts.unicode.org/Unicode.charts/normal/U3100.html
Unicode chart page showing the assignments and Unicode names. Has GIFs of
the symbols.

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Dear Philip, Great thanks for the help in finding the "zhuyin fuhao" on
the net. Your help was invaluable to me. Even the webmaster didn't know
where to find it. Your help is greatly appreciated. (:-)= Daniel
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>From: Philip Newton <philip.newton@...>
>To: "'shavian@...'" <shavian@...>
>Subject: [shavian] Re: Shavian and non-English
>Date: Fri, Feb 4, 2000, 7:52 AM
>

>"Bopomofo" is sort of like "ABC". The official name is "zhuyin fuhao".
>
>Here are some pages with information:
>
>http://www.aproposinc.com/pages/asiantrm.htm
>(Terminology page. Excerpt on bopomofo: "Bopomofo (boe-poe-moe-foe) is the
>common name (like ABC) for the traditional Chinese phonetic syllabary
>consisting of 37 phonetic characters and 4 tone markings. Tones indicate the
>pitch at which a syllable is uttered (English uses tones to indicate
>emphasis, a question, irony, etc., but not spelling). Bopomofo is used to
>indicate the pronunciation of a hanzi, but is not used alone to make
>sentences. Bopomofo is taught and used in Taiwan and Hong Kong.") I'd
>disagree with the pronunciation "boe-poe-moe-foe" which would be bOpOmOfO in
>Shavian; I'd go for something more like bYpYmYfY with the RP sound "awe".
>
>http://www.wlu.edu/~hhill/bpmf.html
>Four pages on bopomofo, showing the initials, finals, and tones. Has images
>of the symbols. Here you can find out what value each symbol has (how it is
>pronounced).
>
>http://zhongwen.com/zhuyin.htm
>Also contains bopomofo; each symbol is a link to characters whose
>pronunciation begins with that sound. The site as a whole contains a wealth
>of information on Chinese characters.
>
>http://charts.unicode.org/Unicode.charts/normal/U3100.html
>Unicode chart page showing the assignments and Unicode names. Has GIFs of
>the symbols.
>
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I live in the Seattle area, where there are many Chinese speaking Americans.
As books are imported from Taiwan here, and only rarely from The People
Oppressive Republic of China, the pronunciation of characters in usually
given in this "Chinese Shavian" for rare characters (han zi) rather than in
Pin yin Latin letters. Especially in the beginners' books I'm using, this is
the system of pronunciation help used. Thanks! (:-)= Dan
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>From: Philip Newton <philip.newton@...>
>To: "'shavian@...'" <shavian@...>
>Subject: [shavian] Re: Shavian and non-English
>Date: Fri, Feb 4, 2000, 7:16 AM
>

>A.M.Callaway wrote:
>> What on Earth is Bopomofo? Sounds like a Robin Williams movie. :-)
>
>They're symbols used to write Chinese. As far as I know, they're used only
>on Taiwan and only for school children who are learning to read. Possibly
>dictionaries also include bopomofo next to the Chinese characters. Named
>after the first four letters, which are b p m f, pronounced bo po mo fo.
>
>Actually, I believe that even Pinyin, the Latin-alphabet-based transcription
>for Chinese that is used mainly in Mainland China, is usually ordered b p m
>f d t n l... instead of a b c ch d... .
>
>(I think the order is bo po mo fo de te ne le ge ke he zhi chi shi ji qi xi
>zi ci si ri followed by the vowels and diphthongs, whose order I no longer
>remember.)
>
>Hmm.... one could say that bopomofo are Shavian for Chinese, since Pinyin
>sometimes uses two letters for one sound (such as 'ch') or one letter for
>two different sounds (such as 'u' in 'ju' vs. 'zhu'), but bopomofo is not
>without its own surprises (or irregularities), either -- for example, 'u' +
>'en' = 'wen' but 'c' + 'u' + 'en' = 'cun', not 'cuen' or 'cwen'.
>
>Cheers,
>Philip
>
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On 4 Feb 00, at 16:08, Daniel G. Szczurek wrote:

> Great thanks for the help in finding the "zhuyin fuhao" on the net.

The pages I found were a result of a search on "bopomofo" using Google
( http://www.google.com/ ). Glad they were of use to you!

Cheers,
Philip
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deals with in his work. Please send me everything you can such as
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and everything about his attempt to reform english alphabet.
In particular it would be really interesting to know if today there is
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Please help me because here in sicily is very difficult to find
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Hi I'm a sicilian girl. I'm doing a dissertation about Shaw's
Pygmalion. If someone could help me, I'm interested in every theme he
deals with in his work. Please send me everything you can such as
articols, critics, biography,
and everything about his attempt to reform english alphabet.
In particular it would be really interesting to know if today there is
someone who wants to reform english alphabet just like Shaw.
Please help me because here in sicily is very difficult to find
something about him. Sorry for my english and thanks very much.
by Amico Rossana


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At 01:21 PM 2/8/00 -0800, Amico Rossana wrote:
>Hi I'm a sicilian girl. I'm doing a dissertation about Shaw's
>Pygmalion. If someone could help me, I'm interested in every theme he
Hi, Amico.
Do you have access to newsgroups? If so, subscribe to
alt.language.english.spelling.reform and you'll see there are lots of
people interested in spelling reform.
Or go to http://www.ozemail.com.au/~acal/EAFonetik.html to see my own
humble attempt.



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At 01:21 PM 2/8/00 -0800, Amico Rossana wrote:
>Hi I'm a sicilian girl. I'm doing a dissertation about Shaw's
>Pygmalion. If someone could help me, I'm interested in every theme he
Hi, Amico.
Do you have access to newsgroups? If so, subscribe to
alt.language.english.spelling.reform and you'll see there are lots of
people interested in spelling reform.
Or go to http://www.ozemail.com.au/~acal/EAFonetik.html to see my own
humble attempt.



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