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From: Simon Barne
Date: 2001-02-16 03:59:48 #
Subject: [shavian] What's happened to Lionel Ghoti?

Has anyone heard from him recently? He hasn't answered several emails from
me.

Lionel, if you're reading this, tell me it's not all over between us.

Simon Barne

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From: hal9000@...
Date: 2001-03-01 19:30:37 #
Subject: [shavian] Fr. Dan S.

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By the way, I exchanged an email or two with Fr. Daniel Sz... (can't
rememeber how to spell name).

I told him I was sorry to see him unsubscribe and asked if he would
share why.

He said that there were really only three things discussed there
anymore: dialect, computer science, and the a/o problem. (And I am
as guilty of perpetuating these as anyone.) He said it was just too
much for him to wade through and lately the topics were of minimal
interest to him.

This person is involved in helping people with their reading skills
(is it a form of dyslexia he works with? I can't recall). His students
are adults, I think, and he tranliterates reading material into
Shavian for them. (Stuff such as works of Martin Buber.)

The point is, while it's mostly a hobby or curiosity to most of us,
he is actually using it to help people.

Maybe we could find a list of stuff he needed transliterated, get
machine-readable forms of it, and run some of our software on it. I
think he does it all by hand.

He also seemed somewhat interested in the idea of Shavian Scrabble
(without a standardized spelling). So if someone wants to pursue that
further, it might help him. We already have a rough idea of the
frequencies, right?

In addition, his health continues to fail. So if any of you are the
praying type, devote a few moments to an aging Eastern Orthodox
priest.

Hal Fulton

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From: Daniel G. Szczurek
Date: 2001-03-03 08:43:28 #
Subject: Re: [shavian] Fr. Dan S.

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Dear friends,
I will respond more about this when we are more settled from the
earthquake that hit us on Feb 28th, earlier this week. I live south of
Seattle, in an area 15 miles from the epicenter of the 6.8-7.0 earthquake
that hit Western Washington. There is much cleaning up to do right now.
Fr. Daniel Szczurek

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>From: hal9000@...
>To: shavian@...
>Subject: [shavian] Fr. Dan S.
>Date: Mar Thu, 2001, 11:20
>

> By the way, I exchanged an email or two with Fr. Daniel Sz... (can't
> rememeber how to spell name).
>
> I told him I was sorry to see him unsubscribe and asked if he would
> share why.
>
> He said that there were really only three things discussed there
> anymore: dialect, computer science, and the a/o problem. (And I am
> as guilty of perpetuating these as anyone.) He said it was just too
> much for him to wade through and lately the topics were of minimal
> interest to him.
>
> This person is involved in helping people with their reading skills
> (is it a form of dyslexia he works with? I can't recall). His students
> are adults, I think, and he tranliterates reading material into
> Shavian for them. (Stuff such as works of Martin Buber.)
>
> The point is, while it's mostly a hobby or curiosity to most of us,
> he is actually using it to help people.
>
> Maybe we could find a list of stuff he needed transliterated, get
> machine-readable forms of it, and run some of our software on it. I
> think he does it all by hand.
>
> He also seemed somewhat interested in the idea of Shavian Scrabble
> (without a standardized spelling). So if someone wants to pursue that
> further, it might help him. We already have a rough idea of the
> frequencies, right?
>
> In addition, his health continues to fail. So if any of you are the
> praying type, devote a few moments to an aging Eastern Orthodox
> priest.
>
> Hal Fulton
>
>
>
>
>
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>
>
>

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From: Clayton Smith
Date: 2001-03-11 18:47:01 #
Subject: [shavian] New shavian webpage!

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Hi all:

I just posted a Shavian version of my webpage at:

http://www.irrational.net/argilo/index-sh.html

Please enjoy it and don't forget to sign my guestbook! I made a Shavian
version of my guestbook script, which seems to be working well.

In case you're wondering about some of my spellings, I'm from Toronto and I
don't distinguish between on/ah/awe, so I chose to use on. And I don't
distinguish between urge/array, so I chose to use array. Is this
conventional? Please let me know if you find any errors, or have any
recommendations for spelling.

All comments are welcome!

- Clayton Smith

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From: Eoghan
Date: 2001-03-12 17:26:42 #
Subject: [shavian] Re: New shavian webpage!

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> From: "Clayton Smith" <pi@...>
>In case you're wondering about some of my spellings, I'm from Toronto and I
>don't distinguish between on/ah/awe, so I chose to use on. And I don't
>distinguish between urge/array, so I chose to use array. Is this
>conventional? Please let me know if you find any errors, or have any

This brings up a question I've been meaning to ask the list for awhile.
I've gotten pretty good at reading shavian texts but still move slowly in
writing because of my own uncertainty about the difference between several
of the phonemes, both those mentioned by Clayton as well as the difference
between 'ado' and 'up'. I'm certain of how I pronounce something, but I'm
not sure if I'm writing it correctly (i.e. so that someone else reading it
would know how I pronounce it). So my question is, has anyone compiled a
list of representative words for each of the letters. I'm sure with a large
enough sample I could get a better grip on the actual sound and ignore
those that I pronounce differently. Or put differently, a large enough list
would be useful across most regional variations on pronunciation. I'm
figuring some if it out from my reading but there are few enough texts and
the frequency of some of the sounds is small enough that I'm still
uncertain. Anyone that can help?

One more question I have is about how words ending in "el" are transcribed.
I've seen them done as "loll" only, as "if-loll", "egg-loll", and even
"ado-loll". Are these actual pronunciation differences between regions or
just variances in transcription?

-Eoghan

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From: Ross DeMeyere
Date: 2001-03-12 17:28:35 #
Subject: Re: [shavian] New shavian webpage!

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>I just posted a Shavian version of my webpage at:
>
>http://www.irrational.net/argilo/index-sh.html
>
>Please enjoy it and don't forget to sign my guestbook! I made a Shavian
>version of my guestbook script, which seems to be working well.
>
>In case you're wondering about some of my spellings, I'm from Toronto and I
>don't distinguish between on/ah/awe, so I chose to use on. And I don't
>distinguish between urge/array, so I chose to use array. Is this
>conventional? Please let me know if you find any errors, or have any
>recommendations for spelling.
>
>All comments are welcome!
>
>- Clayton Smith

Clayton,

I tried to access your site from a Macintosh; I have androcles and ghoti
loaded; but could not read the text in shavian. What fonts are you using
in your .css? could you add androcles or ghoti so those people who have
those fonts can read it also? Thanks.

Ross DeMeyere

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From: ross@...
Date: 2001-03-12 17:28:35 #
Subject: Re: [shavian] New shavian webpage!

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From: Clayton Smith
Date: 2001-03-13 15:44:19 #
Subject: [shavian] Re: New shavian webpage!

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> I tried to access your site from a Macintosh; I have androcles and ghoti
> loaded; but could not read the text in shavian. What fonts are you using
> in your .css? could you add androcles or ghoti so those people who have
> those fonts can read it also? Thanks.

Here's the shavian part of my current .css:

.shavian {
font-family: "Ghoti", "Androcles";
color: #FFFFFF;
}

Do I need to add lowercase versions of the font names, or do something else
completely?

- Clayton Smith

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From: Paul Dennett
Date: 2001-03-31 00:07:23 #
Subject: [shavian] Hello

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helO evrIbodI!

His iz mF fxst mesaJ t H grMp. YlHO F hAv bin awX v H /SEvVn Alfabet sins F woz at skMl, F OnlI diskUvDd it on H intDnet His wIk. F fFnd Hat H Alfabet iz sxprFziNlI IzI t lxn, n F Am enJqiN eksperimentiN wiH HIz fonts.

mF nEm iz /pYl /denat n F liv in /hAlifAks, /west /yPkSD. F Am 36 yCz Old n F wxk az a kompVtD sistamz divelapD. F liv wiH mF pRtnD /pYla, n Qr tM dYtDz, /hilDI n /molI.

enI koments on mF speliN R mOst welkam.

wiH best wiSaz

/pYl

P.S. I hope you can read this!

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From: Paul Dennett
Date: 2001-04-01 00:10:26 #
Subject: [shavian] Games to the People

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spPt
gEmz t H pIpal!

bF /gPdan /sAmpsun

if, n wen, a nV nASunal stEdIum iz bilt, H /F./a. sUd stil kunsidD tEkiN sum
intDnASunalz t H pIpal.

yftD H klOZx v /wemblI, /iNglund plEd /spEn in a frendlI At /AstUn /vila n
wun bF 3-0 n lyst /sAtxdE trFumft in a /wxld /kup kwolifFD bF 2-1 agEnst
/finlund At /livDpMl.

fP HC fFnal tM /wxld /kup kwolifFiN gEmz, /iNglund fEs /AlbEnW At /nVkAsalz
/snt /JEmziz .pRk on /septembD 5 n /grIs At /Old /trAfDd on /oktObD 6. n
/lIdz /VnFtid wil stEJ An /iNglund frendlI agEnst /italI nekst /mRc.

YlHO HIz grQndz kynt hQz Az menI pIpal Az /wemblI kUd, H AtmusfC iz
trimendus fY gEmz Az impPtant Az HIz n must spx H plEDz on.

/wemblI didnt sIm t hAv hAd Az muc advAntaJ P C v invinsibilitI in modxn
tFmz wiH H grEhQnd trAk in bitwIn n sO menI v H spektEtDz a loN wE of.

/Rsanal fQnd HAt wen HE plEd hOm /VropWn gEmz At H /empFr /stEdIum. wen HE
switct bAk t /hFbDI wiH H krQd mP on top v H plE, H /gunDz sImd t bI liftid.

Az kosts kuntinV t rFz fP a nV stEdIum t riplEs H nQ klOzd /wemblI n tYlks n
negOSIESanz stil gO on abQt fundiN n weHD an ATletiks trak SUd bI inklMdid,
it kUd bI a loN tFm bifP enITiN hApanz. sO H /f./a. iz gOiN t hAv t kIp
tEkiN intDnaSanalz t H pIpal in H mIntFm.

(from H </kYldDdEl /nVz>, /wenzdE, /mRC 28, 2001)

trAnsliterEtid bF /pYl /denat.

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