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From: "Hugh Birkenhead" <mixsynth@...>
Date: 2004-11-21 23:09:20 #
Subject: RE: [shawalphabet] Another keyboard alternative
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I thought I just saw this exact same email in the Quikscript group...
Hugh B
> -----Original Message-----
> From: mcbroom1946 [mailto:mcbroom1946@...]
> Sent: 21 November 2004 16:23
> To: shawalphabet@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [shawalphabet] Another keyboard alternative
>
>
>
> All this talk about keyboards has inspired me to throw one more suggestion
> (orr digression) into the works - a hardware solution.
>
> I have been experimenting with a compact, one-handed keyboard to type
> Shavian. It has 15 letter keys, which are shifted by modifier keys,
> providing the
> whole range of a regular keyboard. It's the size of an index card and
> works
> with any computer or PDA.
>
> The advantages:
>
> Unlike QUERTY, the keyboard layout is based on letter frequency (as is the
> Dvorak). After a lot of research, I found that letter frequency in TO and
> sound
> frequency in Shavian are close enough that this can be a real advantage to
> speedy typing, even using the existing font mapping.
>
> Since no current keyboard will hold all the Shavian letters without some
> shifting anyway, you might as well have a keyboard where shifting has been
> optimized ergonomically. For example, to hit the second-level 15 letters,
> you
> simultaneously hit a modifier key with your thumb and a letter key.
> Sounds
> weird, but works great. To hit the caps, you hit the cap shift followed by
> the
> letter key.
>
> If you are going to learn a keyboard mapping for Shavian, you are probably
> better off learning it on a unique keyboard, so that you don't have the
> mental
> gymnastics of shifting back and forth. The old and the new keyboards can
> live
> side by side on the desk, and you use each to its best advantage. You can
> even put Shavian stickers on the keys - and leave them there till they
> rot.
>
> The device can be seen at www.frogpad.com. It comes in left handed and
> right handed models.
>
> PS: This was not a paid advertisement.
>
> PPS: One-handed typing is not to be confused with one-handed reading.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
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>
From: stbetta@...
Date: 2004-11-22 01:02:29 #
Subject: Re: Transcription challenge
Toggle Shavian
Shavian enthusiasts,
Does someone want to come up with a better Shavian transcription for these
words?
Three other sound-symbol mappings are shown below.
Does anyone have a problem going from the sound-spelling to the lexical
spelling?
ap&l = apple = apl in AF, and Apal in keyboard shavian.
WEBSTER: ab'norm&l, &k'sept&bl, sad&l, of&l, äf&l, ol ful, ap&l, &lüZ&n,
im&j, i'maj&n
ENgliS: abnormal akseptabl, sqdl, ofl, ol fvl, cfal, qpl, ilwZan, clwZan,
imaj, imqjan
ANSIFANSI: àbnormàl, àcseptàbl, sadl, olfl, ôl ful, öfl, apl, iúzhàn,
àlúzhàn, imàj, ìmajìn
SHAVIAN: Lionspaw below:
abnYrmal, akseptabal, sAdal, Yfal, Yl fUl, yfal, Apl, ilMZan, AlMZan, imaj,
imAjan
abnPmal, akseptabal, sAdal, Yfal, Yl fUl, yfal, Apl, ilMZan, AlMZan, imaj,
imAjan
http://foolswisdom.com/~sbett/shavian-short.htm
From: stbetta@...
Date: 2004-11-22 04:53:04 #
Subject: Joining the group is easy
Toggle Shavian
dshep,
You are in. There is not much involved in joining a discussion group.
Participating is a little harder. You have to ask a question or comment on a
posting;-)
--Steve
Shaw Alphabet DRAFT
One consistent way to represent English speech: One symbol per sound
C O N T E N T S
What is the Shaw alphabet?
Why Shavian is better than tradspel?
Why Shavian sound-signs are better than the IPA
A tricodal Rosetta Stone: Shavian, IPA, Unifon
From: "paul vandenbrink" <pvandenbrink@...>
Date: 2004-11-22 15:22:33 #
Subject: FAQ 1- What is the Shaw or Shavian alphabet?
Toggle Shavian
Hi Steve
As we have all accepted FAQ no. 1 and FAQ no. 2 (See Attached)
and we are bogged down on the Question (3) on how to best type the
Shavian Alphabet on the Computer (Keyboard Mapping),
I thought we could look at providing a standard response to
the frequently asked questions 4, 5 and 6.
FAQ - Shavian Additional Glosses and comments welcomed:
4. What makes the Shaw alphabet different from the regular alphabet?
Roman alphabet has 26 letters, many with more than one
pronunciation.
- Shaw Alphabet has 48 letters, each with only one phonemic
pronunciation.
- Roman alphabet has a number of silent letters, some of which are
used to indicate an alternate pronunciations of a preceding letter.
- Shaw alphabet pronounces all letters and is completely phonetic.
- Roman alphabet has capital letters for each of the 26 letters. So
the reader must recognize 52 characters, in any case. Some lowercase
characters are not easily distinguishable.
- For example the lower case "L" resembles the upper case "I" and
the number "1". Capital letters are used to indicate the beginning
of the sentence, names and many other things.
- Shaw alphabet has no Capital letters. Each individaul letter is
distinctive and not easily confused with any other letter.
Most of the 24 Consonant Letters are organized into Voiced/Unvoiced
Consonant Pairs.
The 24 vowel letters are organized into similarly sounding pairs.
5. How is the Shavian Alphabet different from many other Phonetic
Alphabets proposed for General English Spelling Reform?
Almost all the other English spelling reforms tended to use the
existing Roman Alphabet and extend or modify the meaning of the
letters to represent more English sounds.
The Shavian Alphabet is not a piecemeal approach.
The Shavian Alphabet created a complete set of new symbols to
represent all the phonemes of English.
6. Why it easier to spell words with the Shaw Alphabet?
English has a wide number of variations in its spelling using the
Roman alphabet. Multiple spellings for the same word are considered
acceptable. (ie. Colour, color, gaol, jail, key, quay)
Different English words can even have the same pronunciation, (i.e.
One, won) with little regard to the phonetic value of the Roman
letters.
Shaw alphabet spells each English word phonetically with very little
redundancy. There are only two additional redundant letters, "Yew"
and "Ian" which are used to represent a couple of significant
composite sounds.
And while Written English using the Roman cursive alphabet is
falling into disuse, except to provide signatures for legal
documents, due to lack of any useful modern application, the Shaw
Alphabet is ideal for taking notes.
The form of each of the Shaw letters has been simplified to ensure
only 1 or 2 pen strokes are required to write each letter. It is
much faster to print in the Shaw Alphabet, than to write in the
Roman cursive alphabet.
Regards, Paul V.
P.S. Please let me know if you have any more corrections or comments.
--- In shawalphabet@yahoogroups.com, "paul vandenbrink"
<pvandenbrink@s...> wrote:
>
> FAQ - Shavian Additional Glosses and comments welcomed:
>
> What is the Shaw or Shavian alphabet?
> by Paul Vanderbrink [PV] Glosses by Steve Bett [SB]
>
> PV: The Shavian or Shaw alphabet is a modern, phonetically
accurate
> replacement for the old Roman alphabet to write English. The Shaw
> alphabet has been designed to write modern English more quickly
and
> effectively. The Roman alphabet was designed specifically for
Latin,
> over 2,600 years ago, and over time has become the alphabet of
> choice for hundreds of languages. It also became the Standard
> Alphabet for written English, as Latin was the language of
education
> and literacy, at that time that English was first written down.
>
> The Roman Alphabet is not really an appropriate Alphabet for
> English, because the English Language uses a wider variety of
> sounds, than are found in the Latin and the other Romance
Languages.
> The 26 Letters are inadequate to represent the 40 odd English
sounds.
>
>
> The Roman alphabet uses over 40 vowel letters and vowel letter
> combinations made up from the 7 Vowel
> Letters, "a", "e", "i", "o", "u", "w" and "y". It also doubles
> Consonants and adds a silent "e" to the end of the words to
indicate
> different vowel sounds. Unfortunately, with time, the
pronunciation
> of these vowel sounds in some English words have changed and not
all
> of those various vowel letters and vowel letter combinations
> consistently represent the same sound, anymore.
> The Shaw alphabet uses a system, that can handle a wider variety
of
> vowel sounds and their combinations and represent them accurately
> and consistently.
>
>
> SB: The Shaw alphabet is a non-Roman, near 100% phonemic, symbols
> system suitable for writing English as it is spoken.
> Alphabet Systems with one symbol per sound and no silent letters
are
> more compact and faster to write. Shaw saw it as a parallel
> alphabet which would win converts due to its superiority. Shaw
> recommended a new set of letters so the new spellings would not be
> considered uneducated or ugly.
>
>
> Who created the Shaw alphabet?
>
> SB: Shaw specified the linguistic requirements for an alphabet
code
> as early as 1941. He wanted one unequivocal symbol for 42 English
> speech sounds and he did not want it to be confused with
traditional
> spelling. His model was phonemic shorthand. In his will, Shaw
left
> most of his fortune to fund the development of a new alphabet.
The
> will was contested and only a small sum [less than $20,000] was
made
> available to carry out Shaw's proposal. The group that controlled
> the funds decided that the best they could do with such limited
> funds was to run a contest.
>
> PV: A contest was announced specifying the linguistic
requirements,
> in 1958. Four contestants submitted alphabet schemes that met or
> surpassed the requirements. The Shaw Alphabet was created from an
> amalgam of these 4 proposals. Kingsley Read, an architect and
> designer, provided the majority of the design. He also created a
> script or cursive version of the Shaw alphabet called Quickscript.
>
> SB: In 1941, Shaw specified the goal for his proposed British
> alphabet. He himself used Pitman shorthand and was familiar with
the
> advantages of phonemic writing. Pitman, however, was not linear
and
> difficult to print. Shaw was impressed with Sweet's "current"
> linear shorthand but objected to the focus on abbreviation.
>
> Ronald Kingsley Read was impressed with the essay which appeared
as
> the preface to the book, The Miraculous Birth of Language, and
> contacted Shaw. He showed Shaw his early attempts to build a
> phonemic notation to match Shaw's requirements. Shaw encouraged
his
> efforts.
>
> In his will, Shaw left most of his fortune to advancing his
> linguistic ideas, in particular the development and propagation of
> an improved English Alphabet. The will was successfully challenged
> by lawyers representing the British Museum and other charities on
> the grounds that you can't leave money to an idea. Shaw's fortune
> did not amount to much until the spectacular success of the
> adaptation of his play "Pygmalion", into the musical, "My Fair
> Lady". Sir James Pitman negotiated a deal whereby a small amount
of
> the fortune, about 8,300 British Pounds, would be used to fulfill
> the terms of the will.
>
> Regards, Paul V.
>
>
> P.S. Excuse the test. I lost my first draft, and had to retype
> everything in again. So I did a test first.
>
> P.P.S. I made a few small corrections, including removing the
> statement describing Ronald Kingsley Read, as the sole Creator of
> the Shavian Alphabet.
>
>
> --- In shawalphabet@yahoogroups.com, "paul vandenbrink"
> <pvandenbrink@s...> wrote:
> >
> > a
From: "Joe" <allegrox_2000@...>
Date: 2004-11-22 17:25:24 #
Subject: Re: Where is Joe?
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I'm here! I've been busy, so I'm a little behind, now. It's funny
to realize that I'm actually active enough (and maybe liked well
enough) to be missed after only ten days. Last time I disappeared
from the group, it was for almost a year, and nobody noticed.
--- In shawalphabet@yahoogroups.com, "paul vandenbrink"
<pvandenbrink@s...> wrote:
>
> General quuery.
> Has anybody heard from:
> "Joe" <allegrox_2000@y...>
> It has been 10 days since he posted anything.
From: "Joe" <allegrox_2000@...>
Date: 2004-11-22 17:53:05 #
Subject: Re: Vote on a group standard font
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I have a keyboard layout I made for Mac OS X if anybody wants it.
Also, I'll have to put in my vote for my own font, Shaw Mono, which
is available in the files at the old group. It's designed for use
at small sizes, and being monospaced gives added benefits for use in
emails.
I've never tried using HTML tags on the groups before. I don't know
how that would work, since I update from the site, and it seems to
do everything in its own strange way. But assuming it works, we can
always just add a font tag and list all the fonts out there in the
order of your preference. So, mine would be something like <.font
face="Shaw Mono, Ghoti, Shaw Sans No 2, etc."> (without the
period). I'll just have to make sure I get all the names correct.
It's probably too much of a hastle to type that every time you post,
but I'd just keep it handy to copy and paste.
<font face="Shaw Mono, Ghoti, Shaw Sans No 2, Androcles">F hOp HAt
wxks.</font>
--- In shawalphabet@yahoogroups.com, "Hugh Birkenhead"
<mixsynth@f...> wrote:
> Yes you're able to do it now. Attached to this message is the
latest version
> of my keyboard layout for Windows XP that allows you to type in
Shavian
> Unicode.
From: "paul vandenbrink" <pvandenbrink@...>
Date: 2004-11-22 18:42:09 #
Subject: Re: Vote on a group standard font
Toggle Shavian
Hi Joe
Thanks for the tip. I will have to try it.
Sorry, I was asking about you, but I wanted to make sure you knew
about and made the
leap over to the new Shaw Alphabet Group.
It would be easy to think the old group just fizzled.
Regards, Paul V.
____________attached________________
--- In shawalphabet@yahoogroups.com, "Joe" <allegrox_2000@y...> wrote:
> Also, I'll have to put in my vote for my own font, Shaw Mono, which
> is available in the files at the old group. It's designed for use
> at small sizes, and being monospaced gives added benefits for use
in emails.
> I've never tried using HTML tags on the groups before. I don't
know
> how that would work, since I update from the site, and it seems to
> do everything in its own strange way. But assuming it works, we
can
> always just add a font tag and list all the fonts out there in the
> order of your preference. So, mine would be something like <.font
> face="Shaw Mono, Ghoti, Shaw Sans No 2, etc."> (without the
> period). I'll just have to make sure I get all the names correct.
> It's probably too much of a hastle to type that every time you
post,
> but I'd just keep it handy to copy and paste.
>
> <font face="Shaw Mono, Ghoti, Shaw Sans No 2, Androcles">F hOp HAt
> wxks.</font>
From: stbetta@...
Date: 2004-11-22 18:42:58 #
Subject: Keyboard Shavian is easy to read
Toggle Shavian
Is Keyboard Shavian easy to read?
Paul,
How do you pronounce appreciated?
aprISIEtad aprISIEtad
H advAntaJ v VziN a fOnEmik rFtiN sistam iz
H abilati tM spel Az V spEk.
I found it interesting that you find keyboard Shavian easier to read than
keyboard Unifon.
This is a minority view but it may be near consensus view in this group. We
need some more readers to post their views.
For a Shavian - Unifon correspondence table see
http://www.foolswisdom.com/~sbett/14-unifon-ipa-shavian16.gif
The whole article can be found at
http://www.foolswisdom.com/~sbett/shavian-short.html
For another article on Shavian see
http://www.spellingsociety.org/journals/j31/shawbett.html
Learning to Read with Shavian
Hi Scott
That's an interesting article. I couldn't read the keyboard Unifon
or the others, even though I've studied them a little, but I breezed
right through the Shavian at a rate that surprized even myself,
until I got to the word "appreciated", which is not spelled the way
I pronounce it. I've found that Shavian was easier to learn than I first
expected.
aprISIEtad aprISIEtad
pvandenbrink@... writes:
--- "Steve Bett" <stbett@y...> wrote:
> Paul,
> I think it could be much easier than you describe in a one sound
per symbol system. Here is why:
> At the University of Chicago Lab school, 5 and 6 year old children
> were simply given the Unifon sound-symbol correspondence chart and
> told to start writing notes to each other. Some preschool kids
> picked up the code in a half hour and started helping their peers.
> It took about 3 weeks for all the kids to learn the code and about 3
> months to overlearn it. All were code literate at the end of 3
> months.
>
> Laubach demonstrated that any highly phonemic writing system can
be learned in 3 months. So it is not unusual that English could also
be learned in 3 months if it were written in Shavian or some other
highly phonemic code.
Lauback developed literacy materials for
over 300 languages.
> What is achieved is code literacy, not literacy in the traditional
> code. All of the children mastered Unifon in a 3 month writing to
> read program. They could write any word they could pronounce and
> pronounce any word written in the Unifon code.
> Laubach's test was the ability to read a newspaper. The Unifon test
> would be reading a transcribed newspaper but understanding would be
> limited by the fact that some words in the article would not be in
> the children's speech vocabulary. They might be able to read aloud
> the transcribed news, but they would not necessarily be able to
> understand what they were saying.
> The key to over-learning the code is the writing to read approach
> and the emphasis of peer to pear learning. You do not need to
> explain why. Learning 40 sound-signs permit you to express yourself
> and write notes to your friends.
> For a Shavian - Unifon correspondence table see
> http://www.foolswisdom.com/~sbett/14-unifon-ipa-shavian16.gif
> The whole article can be found at
> http://www.foolswisdom.com/~sbett/shavian-short.html
> For another article on Shavian see
> http://www.spellingsociety.org/journals/j31/shawbett.html
From: Paul Vandenbrink <pvandenbrink@...>
Date: 2004-11-22 19:11:52 #
Subject: Re: [shawalphabet] Keyboard Shavian is easy to read for me
Toggle Shavian
Hi Steve
I quite like your article, "The Introduction to Shavian"
You make the point that you lose the most of the benefits of developing
literacy through a Phonemic
Alphabet, when you have to take the next step and start reading the T.O.
So why do we take that step.
Why not simply get your Computer Program to convert any correspondence in
T.O. to Shavian.
Let the Computer interface clean up all that old-fashioned garbage.
Right now on the Internet, if you come a across something in German, in
many cases it has
an interactive Translate option.
If you can translate, you should certainly be able to transliterate.
Actually you could probably even choose the flavor of your transliteration.
From my point of view of ease, it is easier to go from Shavian to Unifon
than the other way around.
Regards, Paul V.
P.S. You are correct, I would spell appreciate as you have it below. What's
with Phonemic, tho?
Remember, I am quite familiar with Shavian and its keyboard mapping
equivalent.
At 01:42 PM 11/22/04, you wrote:
>Paul,
>
>How do you pronounce appreciated?
>aprISIEtad aprISIEtad
>
>H advAntaJ v VziN a fOnEmik rFtiN sistam iz
>H abilati tM spel Az V spEk.
>
>
>I found it interesting that you find keyboard Shavian easier to read than
>keyboard Unifon.
>This is a minority view but it may be near consensus view in this
>group. We need some more readers to post their views.
> * For a Shavian - Unifon correspondence table see
> *
> <http://www.foolswisdom.com/~sbett/14-unifon-ipa-shavian16.gif>http://www.foolswisdom.com/~sbett/14-unifon-ipa-shavian16.gif
>
> * The whole article can be found at
> *
> <http://www.foolswisdom.com/~sbett/shavian-short.html>http://www.foolswisdom.com/~sbett/shavian-short.html
>
> * For another article on Shavian see
> *
> <http://www.spellingsociety.org/journals/j31/shawbett.html>http://www.spellingsociety.org/journals/j31/shawbett.html
>
>
>Learning to Read with Shavian
>
>Hi Scott
>
>That's an interesting article. I couldn't read the keyboard Unifon
>or the others, even though I've studied them a little, but I breezed
>right through the Shavian at a rate that surprized even myself,
>until I got to the word "appreciated", which is not spelled the way
>I pronounce it. I've found that Shavian was easier to learn than I first
>expected.
>
>aprISIEtad aprISIEtad
>
>pvandenbrink@... writes:
>
>--- "Steve Bett" <stbett@y...> wrote:
>
> > Paul,
>
> > I think it could be much easier than you describe in a one sound
>per symbol system. Here is why:
>
> > At the University of Chicago Lab school, 5 and 6 year old children
> > were simply given the Unifon sound-symbol correspondence chart and
> > told to start writing notes to each other. Some preschool kids
> > picked up the code in a half hour and started helping their peers.
> > It took about 3 weeks for all the kids to learn the code and about 3
> > months to overlearn it. All were code literate at the end of 3
> > months.
> >
> > Laubach demonstrated that any highly phonemic writing system can
>be learned in 3 months. So it is not unusual that English could also
>be learned in 3 months if it were written in Shavian or some other
>highly phonemic code.
>
>Lauback developed literacy materials for
>over 300 languages.
>
> > What is achieved is code literacy, not literacy in the traditional
> > code. All of the children mastered Unifon in a 3 month writing to
> > read program. They could write any word they could pronounce and
> > pronounce any word written in the Unifon code.
>
> > Laubach's test was the ability to read a newspaper. The Unifon test
> > would be reading a transcribed newspaper but understanding would be
> > limited by the fact that some words in the article would not be in
> > the children's speech vocabulary. They might be able to read aloud
> > the transcribed news, but they would not necessarily be able to
> > understand what they were saying.
>
> > The key to over-learning the code is the writing to read approach
> > and the emphasis of peer to pear learning. You do not need to
> > explain why. Learning 40 sound-signs permit you to express yourself
> > and write notes to your friends.
>
> > For a Shavian - Unifon correspondence table see
> > http://www.foolswisdom.com/~sbett/14-unifon-ipa-shavian16.gif
>
> > The whole article can be found at
> > http://www.foolswisdom.com/~sbett/shavian-short.html
>
> > For another article on Shavian see
> >
> <http://www.spellingsociety.org/journals/j31/shawbett.html>http://www.spellingsociety.org/journals/j31/shawbett.html
>
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From: stbetta@...
Date: 2004-11-24 03:38:51 #
Subject: Why transition to tradspel (traditional spelling)?
Toggle Shavian
Why transition to tradspel
pvandenbrink@... writes:
PV: Hi Steve
I quite like your article, "The Introduction to Shavian"
[www.spellingsociety.org]
You make the point that [children] lose most of the benefits of developing
literacy through a Phonemic Alphabet, when [they] have to take the next step and
start reading the T.O.
See http://www.foolswisdom.com/users/sbett/ita1.htm
The i/t/a experiments indicated that the transition to tradspel was not quite
as easy
as Pitman and Downing anticipated. The hypothesis was that if you
overlearned a phonemic writing system that the transition to another writing system
would be relatively easy since you only become literate once.
Once you learn 40 sound-signs, you can decode or read aloud anything written.
However, it does not take long before you also memorize high frequency
words. After a while, you do not even bother to break the word down into its
component sound signs.
Speed readers may read several words together as single meaning signs.
When the written language is learned as sight words, any change to the
spelling of these sight words can be disruptive. Changes in the word pattern
reduces the ability to recognize the meaning sign.....at least until the new pattern
is acquired.
For example, after you get used to reading SHOE as "show" it is difficult to
learn this letter string as the traditional spelling of /shoo/.
It took the i/t/a trained students about 6 months to recover from this
alphabet shock and recover their reading skills. The i.t.a. students started the 3rd
grade a year ahead of their traditionally trained counterparts. They never
fully regained this advantage. By the 6th grade, it would be difficult to
select the i.t.a. trained student based on their reading and writing skills.
I attribute the problem more to the method not to the orthography. Unifon
trained preschoolers mastered the Unifon code in 3 months and were two years
ahead of their conventionally trained counterparts by the start of the 1st grade.
The i.t.a. program tended to teach whole word patterns rather than sound
signs. Altho the orthography was more like traditonal spelling than Unifon, its
prolonged use [2 years instead of 3 months] tended to make the transition more
difficult.
So why do we take that step.
If you learned to read Spanish, you never would have to take such a step.
Spanish as written is highly phonemic.
In English we take the step because we don't want to be cut off from the
past. We don't just want to be literate. We want to be literate in the
traditional code.
There could be a parallel writing system that would used as an initial
teaching alphabet and as a alternate way to spell unfamiliar words and as a way of
spelling words with unfamiliar pronunciations. For instance if you name is
GUTCHOW you could provide the alternate spelling /güchó/ or *gMtSO or *gUtSO
or *gUKO .... to indicate how the spelling should be interpreted or
sounded-out.
Why not simply get your Computer Program to convert any correspondence in
T.O. to Shavian. Let the Computer interface clean up all that old-fashioned
garbage.
Right now on the Internet, if you come a across something in German, in many
cases it has an interactive Translate option.
The translate option substitutes one meaning sign for another. It does not
reduce the German spelling to a clear pronunciation or a pronunciation guide
spelling such as the IPA.
The converters do about the same thing. It substitutes one word spelling for
another. There is no "fuzzy logic". If the word is not in the dicitonary
list, it cannot be translated. If the spelling is associated with two or more
different words, only one can be used.
If you can translate, you should certainly be able to transliterate.
Actually you could probably even choose the flavor of your transliteration.
From my point of view of ease, it is easier to go from Shavian to Unifon than
the other way around.
For you perhaps. I think that most people would find keyboard Unifon a
little easier to read than keyboard Shavian. Both are unigraphic mixed cap systems
and unigraphic writing system are generally disliked because the traditional
writing system uses digraphs.
Unigraphic mixed cap systems are disliked for two reasons. The notation is
disruptive. Words cannot be easily recognized. And, the notation is
typographically challenged.
--Steve
PV: P.S. You are correct, I would spell appreciate as you have it below.
What's with Phonemic, tho? [typo corrected below] Remember, I am quite familiar
with Shavian and its keyboard mapping equivalent.
At 01:42 PM 11/22/04, you wrote:
Paul,
How do you pronounce appreciated?
aprISIEtad aprISIEtad ENgliS: aprESEAtad
H advAntaJ v VziN a fanFmik rFtiN sistam iz
H abilati tM spel Az V spIk. [keyboard Shavian]
D advantaj v UziN a fanEmik rYtiN sistM
iz D abilatE tU spel qz U spEk. [ENgliS]
This is the notation that most would find easier to read.
Dc cdvantcj cv yUziN a fcnEmik rItiN sistcm
iz Dc cbilctE tU spel az yU spEk. [Unifon - www.unifon.org]
I found it interesting that you find keyboard Shavian easier to read than
keyboard Unifon.
This is a minority view but it may be near consensus view in this group. We
need some more readers to post their views.
For a Shavian - Unifon correspondence table see
http://www.foolswisdom.com/~sbett/14-unifon-ipa-shavian16.gif
The whole article can be found at
http://www.foolswisdom.com/~sbett/shavian-short.html
For another article on Shavian see
http://www.spellingsociety.org/journals/j31/shawbett.html
Learning to Read with Shavian
Hi Scott
That's an interesting article. I couldn't read the keyboard Unifon
or the others, even though I've studied them a little, but I breezed
right through the Shavian at a rate that surprized even myself,
until I got to the word "appreciated", which is not spelled the way
I pronounce it. I've found that Shavian was easier to learn than I first
expected.
aprISIEtad aprISIEtad