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> -----Original Message-----
> From: shawalphabet@yahoogroups.com [mailto:shawalphabet@yahoogroups.com]
> On Behalf Of paul vandenbrink
> Sent: 16 November 2005 13:29
> To: shawalphabet@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [shawalphabet] "Yeah" (Re: Hey there. Newbie here.)
>
> Hi Ethan
> Just curious. I noticed your last word.
> No offence.
> Do you pronounce weird as one syllable (wCd)
> or two (wI-Dd).
> It's funny when use a letter across a syllable boundary.
> Un-Shavian, in fact.

Forgive me, but are you sure that you yourself pronounce 'wCd' as two
syllables?

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=weird

Hugh

I was in the soundspel mindset so it didn't register that /SO/ (I don't have
access to the Shavian font in this editor) should be spelled Shah. I think
the namer dot was missing from the graphic.
I prounce Shaw and Shah the same althouh the spelling pronunciaiton of Shah
should be /SA/.

Thanks for catching the typos but what about my questions?

Is the non-phonemic apostrophe used?

--Steve


But same names are Sacred. Remember that variant Pronunciations
shouldn't necessarily change the spelling when it's a name.
That's why we mark names with Namer Dots!
Oh?
Where is the Namer dot?

Regards, Paul V.
___________________attached_______________________________

> > Is there an apostrophe in Shavian?, see Shah's below: /Sy'z
>
> That would be "Shah's", i.e. the Shah of Iran.

(* Hi Hugh *)

its sO wIDd n wFald, HAt V TiNk HAt F mFt nyT brEk it intM 2
silabalz.
amuN yuN pIpal hC in /kAnadu, it iz bF fR H mOst kYman prOnunsIESun.
OldD mP edVkEtad pIpal mE pranQns it Az 1 lYN lYN tripTYN, but HAt
iz H Old wE v sEiN it.
F definatlI sE wIDd Az wI-Dd wiT 2 silabalz.

(* By the way, if there is a syllable break in the middle, do you *)
(* accept that we need to write it as ID and not C, or would you *)
(* go for the concept that the Phoneme include sounds that can cross
(* syllable boundaries?
(* Do you consider players (plEDz) to be 2 syllables or 1?

Regards, Paul V.
P.S. I accept that in other places, their pronunciation might be wCd.
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--- In shawalphabet@yahoogroups.com, "Hugh Birkenhead"
<mixsynth@f...> wrote:
>
> Forgive me, but are you sure that you yourself pronounce 'wCd' as
two syllables?
___________________attached____________________________

> > -----Original Message-----
> > Do you pronounce weird as one syllable (wCd)
> > or two (wI-Dd).
> > It's funny when use a letter across a syllable boundary.
> > Un-Shavian, in fact.

Sorry Steve
> I answered your question in the previous post.
> See attached below.
> Is my answer complete enough?
> Regards, Paul V.
> --- In shawalphabet@yahoogroups.com, "paul vandenbrink"
> <pvandenbrink11@h...> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Ethan
> >
> > Thanks, for explaining in Detail to Circ.
> >
> > I have more or less the same pronunciation,
> > and so I would write those words pretty much the same,
> > except I would write out Schwa (ado) sound to explicitly indicate
> > syllabic consonants.
> > Also some people would put periods after the individual letters
of
> an
> > abbreviation (BTW), but the standard Shavian convention is just
to
> > enclose the string of letters inside 2 namer dots. Some people
> assume
> > that Namer dots would only be used in that fashion for
> Abbreviations
> > of a name like IBM or UNESCO, but in fact the principle has been
> > extended to any single letter abbreviation or sequence of single
> > letter abbreviations (i.e., a.m., p.m., k.m., RSVP) . Certain
> > Multiple letter abbreviations are just not allowed in Shavian
> > Spelling as of yet because we haven't worked out practical
> > conventions. For example, appt. apt. st. ave. no. Dr. Mr. Abrev.
> only
> > work in the Roman Alphabet.
> > Abbreviations like those have to be spelled out in full.
> >
> > As for Apostrophes in Shavian, we had a long discussion about
this
> 6
> > months ago,
> > and the concensus was that when the Apostrophe was used to
indicate
> a
> > contraction in the Roman Alphabet spelling, it would not be used.
> > Places where an apostrophe was used for a different purpose, such
> as
> > to indicate Possession, was left to the discretion of the writer.
> > Generally speaking Apostrophe use is minimized with Shavian
> Spelling.
> >
> > Feel free to look at the old posts.
> >
> > Regards, Paul V.
> > __________________attached___________________________
> > difrnt, dif'-rnt (2 silablz) = difDant, dif'-D-ant (3 silablz)
> > > difrntlI, dif'-rnt-lI (3 s.) = difDantlI, dif'-D-ant-lI (4 s.)
> > > pryblI, pry:'-blI (2 s., loN /y) P prybblI, pry'-b-blI (3 s. -
> jes,
> > HAt
> > > *iz* a silabik /b!) = probablI, pro'-ba-blI (3 s.)
> > > Jast (unAksentad) - sumtFmz Jist (unAksentad) - hwen Aksentad,
> Just
> > =
> > > Just (Advxb - AJektiv iz YlwEz "Just")
> > > /bHw/ = bF H wE
> > > kxntlI, kx'-nt-lI = kxantlI, kx'-ant-lI
> > > az (unAks.) Az (Aks.) = Az
> > > pysabl, py'-sa-bl = posabl, po'-sa-bl P posabal, po'-sa-bal
> > > (/bHw/, /o iz YlwEz prOnQnst lFk /y)
> > > nPmllI, nP'-ml-lI (P nPmlI, nP'-ml-I) = nPmallI, nP'-mal-lI P
> > nPmalI,
> > > nP'-ma-lI
> >
> >
> > --- In shawalphabet@yahoogroups.com, Ethan <ethanl@3...> wrote:
> > >> nO afens tEkan.
> > >
> > > wel, hAviN gon OvD mF mesaJ, F did fFnd a kupl tFpOz - "HAks"
SUd
> > bI
> > > "HAts", n "difrant", "difrantlI" SUd bI "difrnt" n "difrntlI".
H
> > rest iz
> > > H wE F sE it.
> > > Fl eksplEn Ic "strEnJ" wxd.
> > >
> > > difrnt, dif'-rnt (2 silablz) = difDant, dif'-D-ant (3 silablz)
> > > difrntlI, dif'-rnt-lI (3 s.) = difDantlI, dif'-D-ant-lI (4 s.)
> > > pryblI, pry:'-blI (2 s., loN /y) P prybblI, pry'-b-blI (3 s. -
> jes,
> > HAt
> > > *iz* a silabik /b!) = probablI, pro'-ba-blI (3 s.)
> > > Jast (unAksentad) - sumtFmz Jist (unAksentad) - hwen Aksentad,
> Just
> > =
> > > Just (Advxb - AJektiv iz YlwEz "Just")
> > > /bHw/ = bF H wE
> > > kxntlI, kx'-nt-lI = kxantlI, kx'-ant-lI
> > > az (unAks.) Az (Aks.) = Az
> > > pysabl, py'-sa-bl = posabl, po'-sa-bl P posabal, po'-sa-bal
> > > (/bHw/, /o iz YlwEz prOnQnst lFk /y)
> > > nPmllI, nP'-ml-lI (P nPmlI, nP'-ml-I) = nPmallI, nP'-mal-lI P
> > nPmalI,
> > > nP'-ma-lI
> > >
> > > HX, hOpfllI HAk wil bI anuf fP V t grAsp mF rFtiN if F hApan t
Vz
> > sumTiN
> > > HAt lUks wCd!
> > >
> > > --
> > > Ethan Lamoreaux - in Shavian, ·???? ·??????
> > >
> > > The LORD bless thee, and keep thee:
> > > The LORD make his face shine upon thee, and be gracious unto
thee:
> > > The LORD lift up his countenance upon thee, and give thee peace.
> > >
> >
>

Sorry Steve
Your answer is attached to this note.
Regards, Paul V.
________________attached_________________
--- In shawalphabet@yahoogroups.com, "paul vandenbrink"
<pvandenbrink11@h...> wrote:
> I have more or less the same pronunciation,
> and so I would write those words pretty much the same,
> except I would write out Schwa (ado) sound to explicitly indicate
> syllabic vowels.
> Also some people would put periods after the individual letters of
an
> abbreviation (BTW), but the standard Shavian convention is just to
> enclose the string of letters inside 2 namer dots. Some people
assume
> that Namer dots would only be used in that fashion for
Abbreviations
> of a name like IBM or UNESCO, but in fact the principle has been
> extended to any single letter abbreviation or sequence of single
> letter abbreviations (i.e., a.m., p.m., k.m., RSVP) . Certain
> Multiple letter abbreviations are just not allowed in Shavian
> Spelling as of yet because we haven't worked out practical
> conventions. For example, appt. apt. st. ave. no. Dr. Mr. Abrev.
only
> work in the Roman Alphabet.
> Abbreviations like those have to be spelled out in full.
>
> As for Apostrophes in Shavian, we had a long discussion about this
6
> months ago,
> and the concensus was that when the Apostrophe was used to indicate
a
> contraction in the Roman Alphabet spelling, it would not be used.
> Places where an apostrophe was used for a different purpose, such
as
> to indicate Possession, was left to the discretion of the writer.
> Generally speaking Apostrophe use is minimized with Shavian
Spelling.
>
> Feel free to look at the old posts.
>
> Regards, Paul V.
> __________________attached___________________________
> difrnt, dif'-rnt (2 silablz) = difDant, dif'-D-ant (3 silablz)
> > difrntlI, dif'-rnt-lI (3 s.) = difDantlI, dif'-D-ant-lI (4 s.)
> > pryblI, pry:'-blI (2 s., loN /y) P prybblI, pry'-b-blI (3 s. -
jes,
> HAt
> > *iz* a silabik /b!) = probablI, pro'-ba-blI (3 s.)
> > Jast (unAksentad) - sumtFmz Jist (unAksentad) - hwen Aksentad,
Just
> =
> > Just (Advxb - AJektiv iz YlwEz "Just")
> > /bHw/ = bF H wE
> > kxntlI, kx'-nt-lI = kxantlI, kx'-ant-lI
> > az (unAks.) Az (Aks.) = Az
> > pysabl, py'-sa-bl = posabl, po'-sa-bl P posabal, po'-sa-bal
> > (/bHw/, /o iz YlwEz prOnQnst lFk /y)
> > nPmllI, nP'-ml-lI (P nPmlI, nP'-ml-I) = nPmallI, nP'-mal-lI P
> nPmalI,
> > nP'-ma-lI
>
>
> --- In shawalphabet@yahoogroups.com, Ethan <ethanl@3...> wrote:
> >> nO afens tEkan.
> >
> > wel, hAviN gon OvD mF mesaJ, F did fFnd a kupl tFpOz - "HAks" SUd
> bI
> > "HAts", n "difrant", "difrantlI" SUd bI "difrnt" n "difrntlI". H
> rest iz
> > H wE F sE it.
> > Fl eksplEn Ic "strEnJ" wxd.
> >
> > difrnt, dif'-rnt (2 silablz) = difDant, dif'-D-ant (3 silablz)
> > difrntlI, dif'-rnt-lI (3 s.) = difDantlI, dif'-D-ant-lI (4 s.)
> > pryblI, pry:'-blI (2 s., loN /y) P prybblI, pry'-b-blI (3 s. -
jes,
> HAt
> > *iz* a silabik /b!) = probablI, pro'-ba-blI (3 s.)
> > Jast (unAksentad) - sumtFmz Jist (unAksentad) - hwen Aksentad,
Just
> =
> > Just (Advxb - AJektiv iz YlwEz "Just")
> > /bHw/ = bF H wE
> > kxntlI, kx'-nt-lI = kxantlI, kx'-ant-lI
> > az (unAks.) Az (Aks.) = Az
> > pysabl, py'-sa-bl = posabl, po'-sa-bl P posabal, po'-sa-bal
> > (/bHw/, /o iz YlwEz prOnQnst lFk /y)
> > nPmllI, nP'-ml-lI (P nPmlI, nP'-ml-I) = nPmallI, nP'-mal-lI P
> nPmalI,
> > nP'-ma-lI
> >
> > HX, hOpfllI HAk wil bI anuf fP V t grAsp mF rFtiN if F hApan t Vz
> sumTiN
> > HAt lUks wCd!

paul vandenbrink wrote:

>Hi Ethan
>Just curious. I noticed your last word.
>No offence.
>Do you pronounce weird as one syllable (wCd)
>or two (wI-Dd).
>It's funny when use a letter across a syllable boundary.
>Un-Shavian, in fact.
>
>Regards, Paul V.
>
>
Ah, yes... weird. I pronounce it as a single syllable, rather than the
also common (now that I think about it) two syllable pronunciation
(wIDd). nO afens tEkan!

--
Ethan Lamoreaux - in Shavian, �???? �??????

The LORD bless thee, and keep thee:
The LORD make his face shine upon thee, and be gracious unto thee:
The LORD lift up his countenance upon thee, and give thee peace.

If you're using the Rich-Text Editor (Beta) in the Group itself, and not an e-mail program, you can access Shavian fairly easily.

1. Activate the Rich-Text Editor (Beta) by clicking the link above the "To:" field.
2. Type your message as normal, including parts in Shavian.
3. Check "View HTML Source"
4. Add <font face="Shaw Sans No. 2" size="#"> to the front of the Shavian. Add </font> to the end. (For size, I prefer 3.)
5. Uncheck "View HTML Source." You'll see your text in Shavian where you put the tags.

I guess I should get back to leaving some of the original text in my
posts, so it doesn't seem so absurdly out of place. That post was in
reply to Steve's earlier post:

-----------------
I was in the soundspel mindset so it didn't register that /SO/ (I
don't have access to the Shavian font in this editor) should be
spelled Shah. I think the namer dot was missing from the graphic.
I prounce Shaw and Shah the same althouh the spelling pronunciaiton of
Shah should be /SA/.

Thanks for catching the typos but what about my questions?

Is the non-phonemic apostrophe used?

--Steve
-----------------

hF /sxk

TANks fP H help rFtiN in /SYvWn letxz. mF I-mEal prOgram duzant sapPt /SY fynts.

hC iz a fV lFnz of dYgDal abQt sitiN on a gEt bF /lMas /kXal. hI didant balIv in tFtalz. its Just a test.

Fal tel V evrI TiN F cAn.

HXz little t rIlEt.

F sY an EJad EJad mAn.

a sitiN yn a gEt.

hM R V Oh Egad mAn. F sed

n hQ iz it V liv?

n hiz AnsD trikald TrM mF hed,

lFk wytD TrM a siv.

rigRdz, /pYl /vI.

_______________________atAct_________________________

--- In shawalphabet@yahoogroups.com, "circtf" <circtf@y...> wrote:
>
> If you're using the Rich-Text Editor (Beta) in the Group itself, and not an e-mail program, you can access Shavian fairly easily.
>
> 1. Activate the Rich-Text Editor (Beta) by clicking the link above the "To:" field.
> 2. Type your message as normal, including parts in Shavian.
> 3. Check "View HTML Source"
> 4. Add <font face="Shaw Sans No. 2" size="#"> to the front of the Shavian. Add </font> to the end. (For size, I prefer 3.)
> 5. Uncheck "View HTML Source." You'll see your text in Shavian where you put the tags.
>

grEt. it wxks. it iz abQt tFm teknYlaJI kYt up wiT H /SYvWn Alfabet.

TANks agEn, /sxk

-----------------atAct----------------------------------------------------
--- In shawalphabet@yahoogroups.com, "paul vandenbrink" <pvandenbrink11@h...> wrote:
>
>
> hF /sxk
>
> TANks fP H help rFtiN in /SYvWn letxz. mF I-mEal prOgram duzant sapPt /SY fynts.
>
> hC iz a fV lFnz of dYgDal abQt sitiN on a gEt bF /lMas /kXal. hI didant balIv in tFtalz. its Just a test.
>
> Fal tel V evrI TiN F cAn.
>
> HXz little t rIlEt.
>
> F sY an EJad EJad mAn.
>
> a sitiN yn a gEt.
>
> hM R V Oh Egad mAn. F sed
>
> n hQ iz it V liv?
>
> n hiz AnsD trikald TrM mF hed,
>
> lFk wytD TrM a siv.
>
> rigRdz, /pYl /vI.
>
> _______________________atAct_________________________
>
> --- In shawalphabet@yahoogroups.com, "circtf" circtf@y... wrote:
> >
> > If you're using the Rich-Text Editor (Beta) in the Group itself, and not an e-mail program, you can access Shavian fairly easily.
> >
> > 1. Activate the Rich-Text Editor (Beta) by clicking the link above the "To:" field.
> > 2. Type your message as normal, including parts in Shavian.
> > 3. Check "View HTML Source"
> > 4. Add <font face="Shaw Sans No. 2" size="#"> to the front of the Shavian. Add </font> to the end. (For size, I prefer 3.)
> > 5. Uncheck "View HTML Source." You'll see your text in Shavian where you put the tags.
> >
>