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Hi Philip
I incorporated your corrections into the attached list of the
first 100 words. Sorry for the typo's on 57, 58.59 and 99.
Thanks for your help. Hopefully, I will post 201-300 soon.
Please take a look and provide additional pronunciations.
Regards, Paul V.
P.S. I agree with you. I would like to use 2 and tM for two and too,
respectively. But, is that the consensus? Is that the way it is done
in "Androcles"?
P.P.S. Does any one else pronounce from as "from", instead of "frum"?
P.P.P.S For me, either "pMD" or "pP" are both acceptable
pronunciations for poor. "pP" is the only pronunciation for me for
pour.
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--- In shawalphabet@yahoogroups.com, "paul vandenbrink"
<pvandenbrink11@h...> wrote:
> There are some asterisks to indicate, the word does not qualify for
> the list. There will be a Question mark where there could multiple
> pronunciations. Most common words have a very stndard pronunciation.
>
> 1.the H
> 2.of v
> 3.and n
> 4.to t
> 5.in in
> 6.I F
> 7.that HAt
> 8.was ? wuz woz
> 9.he hI
> 10.his hiz
> 11.it it
> 12.with ? wiT wiH
> 13.is iz
> 14.for fP
> 15.as AZ
> 16.had hAd
> 17.you V
> 18.not ? nyt not
> 19.be bI
> 20.on ? yn on
> 21.at At
> 22.her ? hD hx
> 23.by bF
> 24.which wic
> 25.have hAv
> 26.or P
> 27.from frum
> 28.this His
> 29.him him
> 30.but but
> 31.all Yl
> 32.she SI
> 33.were ? wx wD
> 34.they HE
> 35.my mF
> 36.are R
> 37.me mI
> 38.so sO
> 39.one wun
> 40.their HX
> 41.de*
> 42.an an
> 43.said sed
> 44.we wI
> 45.them Hem
> 46.who hM
> 47.would wUd
> 48.been bIn
> 49.will wil
> 50.no nO
> 51.when wen
> 52.there HX
> 53.if if
> 54.more mP
> 55.out Qt
> 56.up up
> 57.any enI
> 58.into intM
> 59.do dM
> 60.your ? jP jUD
> 61.has hAz
> 62.man mAn
> 63.what ? wut wot
> 64.could kUd
> 65.other uHD
> 66.our QD
> 67.than HAn
> 68.some sum
> 69.very ? verI vXI
> 70.time tFm
> 71.about abQt
> 72.upon ? apYn apon
> 73.may mE
> 74.la*
> 75.its its
> 76.only OnlI
> 77.now nQ
> 78.little lital
> 79.like lFk
> 80.then Hen
> 81.can kAn
> 82.made mEd
> 83.should SUd
> 84.did did
> 85.us us
> 86.such suc
> 87.a a
> 88.great grEt
> 89.before ? bafP bIfP
> 90.must must
> 91.these HIz
> 92.two ? 2 tM
> 93.see sI
> 94.over OvD
> 95.know nO
> 96.much muc
> 97.et*
> 98.after ? AftD yftD
> 99.first fxst
> 100.mr*
> --- In shawalphabet@yahoogroups.com, wurdbendur@g... wrote:
> >
> > I too see the utility of a core set of words with a finite number
of common spellings,
> > though I'm hesitant to settle on a number until we start.
> Nevertheless,
> > we have a good resource: Wiktionary provides a list of the 1000
> > commonest words from all of the English-language books on
Project
> > Gutenberg.
>

Hi Philip
Here is the next 100 words. take a look.
Regards, Paul V.
_____________attached____________________________

201.off ? yf Yf
202.As As
203.once wuns
204.another ? anMHD enMHD
205.His hiz
206.right rFt
207.don't dOnt
208.between ? batwIn bItwIn
209.each Ic
210.For fP
211.face fEs
212.because ? bakuz bIkuz
213.whom hMm
214.That HAt
215.few fV
216.der*
217.tell tel
218.son sun
218.love luv
219.far fR
220.un*
221.seemed sImd
222.house hQs
223.hw*
224.got ? gyt got
225.god ? god gyd
226.head hed
227.called kYld
228.looked lUkt
229.At At
230.whole hOl
231.set set
232.find fFnd
233.Mrs*
234.world wDald
235.having hAviN
236.thing TiN
237.both bOT
238.told tOld
239.let let
240.look lUk
241.THE*
242.night nFt
243.going gOiN
244.heard hxd
245.mind mFnd
246.knew ? nM nV
247.No nO
248.heart hRt
249.seen sIn
250.se*
251.days dEz
252.qui*
253.name nEm
254.among amuN
255.done dun
256.better betD
257.So sO
258.full fUl
259.something sumTiN
260.du*
261.moment mOment
262.gave gEv
263.country cuntrI
264.er*
265.almost YlmOst
266.Gutenberg*
267.soon sMn
268.them Hem
269.course kPs
270.On ? on yn
271.cannot ? kAnyt kanot
272.asked Askt
273.small smYl
274.ne*
275.enough anuf
276.il*
277.want ? wynt wont
278.side sFd
279.woman wUman
280.however hQevD
281.home hOm
282.brought bryt
283.whose hMz
284.nor nP
285.father ? fyHD foHD
286.me mI
287.quite kwFt
288.words wxdz
289.given givan
290.till til
291.pos*
292.taken tEkan
293.use Vz
294.hands hAndz
295.does duz
296.OF*
297.until until
298.end end
299.turned txnd

Hi Philip
There seems to be some duplicates in the word lists.
Let me know if you spot any.
Regards, Paul V.
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301 - 400
rather
My
thou
best
p*
since
felt
word
Lord
used
dans*
light
Oh
next
began
less
present
large
water
den*
within
door
poor
certain
works
pas*
sent
often
tt*
stood
power
Now
room
half
public
themselves
morning
Sir
myself
keep
money
mother
her
b*
une*
By
thy
hundred
ets*
je*
kind
order
war
means
form
pour
How
round
received
voice
believe
y*
white
Miss
anything
near
others
thus
passed
matter
I'm
Well
year
read
true
All
you
point
herself
Of*
friend
state
person
wife
already
One
above
high
met
says
together
Why
perhaps
death
dear
fact
least
case
hear
With

Hi,

I haven't been watching this topic till now -- but I'm surprised at it. I'll
agree it's useful to provide a standard pronunciation for people who wish to
use it; indeed I've always supported that. But I don't see the need to
create a new list from scratch when an entire dictionary exists with a
pronunciation key that is both directly compatible with Shavian and largely
"atlanticly neutral".

I needn't reiterate the name of said dictionary; needless to say most of my
recent posts have mentioned it.

This may be a nice exercise, but there's no need.

Hugh B

On 1/11/06, paul vandenbrink <pvandenbrink11@...> wrote:
> Hi Philip
> Here is the next 100 words. take a look.
> Regards, Paul V.
> _____________attached____________________________
>
> 201.off ? yf Yf

of.

> 202.As As

Surely you mean "Az"?

> 204.another ? anMHD enMHD

anuHD

> 208.between ? batwIn bItwIn

or "bitwIn". Either that or "batwIn" for me.

> 224.got ? gyt got
> 225.god ? god gyd

got, god.

> 233.Mrs*

misiz (IMO)

> 234.world wDald

wxld

> 261.moment mOment

or mOmant

> 270.On ? on yn
> 271.cannot ? kAnyt kanot

kAnot

> 272.asked Askt

yskt

(for some: Akst)

> 275.enough anuf

or inuf

> 282.brought bryt

brYt

> 285.father ? fyHD foHD

fyHD
--
Philip Newton <philip.newton@...>

Hi Hugh
I admire the American Heritage Dictionary for Learners and think it is
a great resource to find out the standard pronunciation for any English
word which we might not have heard.
This list is designed to familarize a new learner with a bunch of the
most common Shavian spellings, to get them going in the right direction
quickly without a lot of hunting around in a Roman Alphabet Dictionary.
We want Shavian to be accessable to everyone without a lot of research.
So if the New User can quickly recognise some of the common English
words in Shavian, he can start reading more easily and save his
analytic skills for the more difficult words. We are also including the
common Shavian variant spellings for people with an RP British accent,
so the new reader will recognise them too, even if he is an American
English speaker.

Also I can think of perhaps 10 Shavian conventions, that are easier to
demonstrate with a selection of common words written in acceptable
Shavian. Everything from the four standard abbreviations, how to write
the eu/ew sound, to when and how you need to indicate a Proper Noun or
Name.

Regards, Paul V.
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--- In shawalphabet@yahoogroups.com, "Hugh Birkenhead" <mixsynth@f...>
wrote:
> I haven't been watching this topic till now -- but I'm surprised at
it. I'll
> agree it's useful to provide a standard pronunciation for people who
wish to
> use it; indeed I've always supported that. But I don't see the need to
> create a new list from scratch when an entire dictionary exists with a
> pronunciation key that is both directly compatible with Shavian and
largely
> "atlanticly neutral".

> Hi Philip
> I incorporated your corrections.
> Please take a look.
I fixed the Typo's on 201, 204 and 271
I like bitwIn better too
> Regards, Paul V.
P.S. Thanks for your continued help.
> _____________attached____________________________
>
> 201.off ? yf / Yf
> 202.As Az
> 203.once wuns
> 204.another ? anuHD / enuHD
> 205.His hiz
> 206.right rFt
> 207.don't dOnt
> 208.between ? batwIn bitwIn
> 209.each Ic
> 210.For fP
> 211.face fEs
> 212.because ? bakuz / bIkuz
> 213.whom hMm
> 214.That HAt
> 215.few fV
> 216.der*
> 217.tell tel
> 218.son sun
> 218.love luv
> 219.far fR
> 220.un*
> 221.seemed sImd
> 222.house hQs
> 223.hw*
> 224.got ? got / gyt
> 225.god ? god / gyd
> 226.head hed
> 227.called kYld
> 228.looked lUkt
> 229.At At
> 230.whole hOl
> 231.set set
> 232.find fFnd
> 233.Mrs*
> 234.world ? wDald / wxld
> 235.having hAviN
> 236.thing TiN
> 237.both bOT
> 238.told tOld
> 239.let let
> 240.look lUk
> 241.THE*
> 242.night nFt
> 243.going gOiN
> 244.heard hxd
> 245.mind mFnd
> 246.knew ? nM nV
> 247.No nO
> 248.heart hRt
> 249.seen sIn
> 250.se*
> 251.days dEz
> 252.qui*
> 253.name nEm
> 254.among amuN
> 255.done dun
> 256.better betD
> 257.So sO
> 258.full fUl
> 259.something sumTiN
> 260.du*
> 261.moment ? mOmant / mOment
> 262.gave gEv
> 263.country cuntrI
> 264.er*
> 265.almost YlmOst
> 266.Gutenberg*
> 267.soon sMn
> 268.them Hem
> 269.course kPs
> 270.On ? on yn
> 271.cannot ? kAnyt kAnot
> 272.asked ? Askt / yskt / Akst
> 273.small smYl
> 274.ne*
> 275.enough ? inuf / anuf
> 276.il*
> 277.want ? wynt wont
> 278.side sFd
> 279.woman wUman
> 280.however hQevD
> 281.home hOm
> 282.brought ? bryt / brYt
> 283.whose hMz
> 284.nor nP
> 285.father ? fyHD / foHD
> 286.me mI
> 287.quite kwFt
> 288.words wxdz
> 289.given givan
> 290.till til
> 291.pos*
> 292.taken tEkan
> 293.use Vz
> 294.hands hAndz
> 295.does duz
> 296.OF*
> 297.until until
> 298.end end
> 299.turned txnd
>

Paul,

I would say, Shavian is perfectly accessible to anyone - one search for
"shavian" on Google, and you're faced with plenty of websites with the
character descriptions and example texts.

If we're in the business of standardisation, and we accept that the AHD
provides optimal "general" spellings, we should base our common word lists
on it.

> > 201.off ? yf / Yf

of.

> > 212.because ? bakuz / bIkuz

Also: bikYz.

> > 224.got ? got / gyt

got.

> > 225.god ? god / gyd

god.

> > 234.world ? wDald / wxld

wxld.

> > 263.country cuntrI

kuntrI.

> > 270.On ? on yn

on.

> > 271.cannot ? kAnyt kAnot

kanot.

> > 277.want ? wynt wont

wont.

> > 282.brought ? bryt / brYt

brYt.

> > 285.father ? fyHD / foHD

fyHD.

Hugh B

On 1/11/06, paul vandenbrink <pvandenbrink11@...> wrote:
> rather ryHD
> My mF
> thou HQ
> best best
> p*
> since sins
> felt felt
> word wxd
> Lord lPd
> used Vzd / Vst
> dans*
> light lFt
> Oh O
> next nekst
> began bigAn / bagAn
> less les
> present prezant / prizent / prazent
> large lRJ
> water wYtD
> den* den
> within wiHin
> door dP
> poor pUD
> certain sxtan / sxtin / sxten
> works wxks
> pas*
> sent sent
> often ofan / ofin ( oftan / oftin )
> tt*
> stood stUd
> power pQD
> Now nQ
> room rMm
> half hyf
> public publik
> themselves Hemselvz
> morning mPniN
> Sir sx
> myself mFself
> keep kIp
> money munI
> mother muHD
> her hx
> b*
> une*
> By bF
> thy HF
> hundred hundrid / hundrad
> ets*
> je*
> kind kFnd
> order PdD
> war wP
> means mInz
> form fPm
> pour pUD
> How hQ
> round rQnd
> received risIvd / rasIvd
> voice vqs
> believe bilIv / balIv
> y*
> white wFt
> Miss mis
> anything enITiN
> near nC
> others uHDz
> thus Hus
> passed pyst
> matter mAtD
> I'm Fm / F'm
> Well wel
> year jC
> read rId / red
> true trM
> All Yl
> you V
> point pqnt
> herself hxself
> Of* v
> friend frend
> state stEt
> person pxsan
> wife wFf
> already YlredI
> One wun
> above abuv
> high hF
> met met
> says sez
> together tUgeHD
> Why wF
> perhaps pxhAps / pDhAps
> death deT
> dear dC
> fact fAkt
> least lIst
> case kEs
> hear hC
> With wiH
--
Philip Newton <philip.newton@...>

On 1/12/06, Hugh Birkenhead <mixsynth@...> wrote:
> > > 271.cannot ? kAnyt kAnot
>
> kanot.

I know this as "kAnot". I suppose it depends on whether you stress the
first or the second syllable. (dictionary.com / AHD appears to allow
both variants.)
--
Philip Newton <philip.newton@gmail.com>