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lital /wili, fUl ov glI,

pUt rEdiam in grAndmy'z tI.

lital /wili TYt it kwFt a lyrk,

tM sI grAndmy Yl aglO in Ha dyrk.


l

F didnt Ivan sI H kulD until V riplFd, /filip. wot mEl klFant R V VziN?



/hV /b



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From: Newton, Philip [mailto:Philip.Newton@...]
Sent: 01 April 2005 11:10
To: 'shawalphabet@yahoogroups.com'
Subject: RE: [shawalphabet] test



hF - F sY H kulD but it lUkt lFk /rOman letDz, not /SEvWn.
--f.

-----Original Message-----
From: david sheppard [mailto:dshep@...]
Sent: Friday, April 01, 2005 9:29 AM
To: shawalphabet@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [shawalphabet] test

test test test test

in kulD nO les



wil it kum TrM?

Sud it bI blM?



??





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wen F send mEl from HAt adres (gedas-onsFt), Fm VziN /mFkrasoft
/QtlUk. (kurantlI vxZan 2002.)

/filip /nVtan

-----Original Message-----
From: shawalphabet@yahoogroups.com [mailto:shawalphabet@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Hugh Birkenhead
Sent: Monday, January 23, 2006 5:49 PM
To: shawalphabet@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [shawalphabet] test



F didnt Ivan sI H kulD until V riplFd, /filip. wot mEl klFant R V VziN?



/hV /b




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From: Newton, Philip [mailto:Philip.Newton@...]
Sent: 01 April 2005 11:10
To: 'shawalphabet@yahoogroups.com'
Subject: RE: [shawalphabet] test



hF - F sY H kulD but it lUkt lFk /rOman letDz, not /SEvWn.
--f.

-----Original Message-----
From: david sheppard [mailto:dshep@...]
Sent: Friday, April 01, 2005 9:29 AM
To: shawalphabet@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [shawalphabet] test

test test test test

in kulD nO les



wil it kum TrM?

Sud it bI blM?



??






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On Jan 20, 2006, at 6:12 PM, dshepx wrote:

> However, Scott Harrison's and Joseph Spicer's
> shavian signatures do not appear in shavian
> no matter what font or encoding I select.

My signature is in Unicode. If it's not showing up, then it's either
getting destroyed in transit (this has happened inexplicably a few
times before), or you may lack a font containing Unicode Shavian. I
also realized it was set to an unusual font (MPH 28 Damase) which most
people won't have. Perhaps it will work now.

Now I'll test some fonts, just to see what happens:
His iz a test v H /AndraklIz font.
His iz a test v H /fiS font.
His iz a test v H /SY sAns # 2 font.
His iz a test v H /lFanzpY font.

Regards,
Joseph Spicer
𐑡𐑴𐑕𐑩𐑓 𐑕𐑐𐑲𐑕𐑼

We ascertained months ago that anyone using Windows XP and Outlook or
Outlook Express (a lot of people I can imagine) will simply not be able to
view or write in Unicode Shavian. This will not change until Microsoft do
something about it.



Hugh B



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From: shawalphabet@yahoogroups.com [mailto:shawalphabet@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of wurdbendur@...
Sent: 24 January 2006 01:19
To: shawalphabet@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [shawalphabet] Re: Original Shaw Alphabet edtions available



On Jan 20, 2006, at 6:12 PM, dshepx wrote:

However, Scott Harrison's and Joseph Spicer's
shavian signatures do not appear in shavian
no matter what font or encoding I select.


My signature is in Unicode. If it's not showing up, then it's either getting
destroyed in transit (this has happened inexplicably a few times before), or
you may lack a font containing Unicode Shavian. I also realized it was set
to an unusual font (MPH 28 Damase) which most people won't have. Perhaps it
will work now.

Now I'll test some fonts, just to see what happens:
His iz a test v H /AndraklIz font.
His iz a test v H /fiS font.
His iz a test v H /SY sAns # 2 font.
His iz a test v H /lFanzpY font.

Regards,
Joseph Spicer
?????????? ??????????

paul vandenbrink wrote:

>Hi Philip
>I added a couple more variations to lines
>301, 319, 321, 323, 324, 334, 336, 343, 356, 369, 383, 391, 399
>Have you ever heard someone say off=ten with the t-sound? (328)
>Regards, Paul V.
>
>
I pronounce the t in often, at least when I'm saying it carefully. In
everyday speach tho I may pronounce it or leave it out, it all depends
on how distinctly I'm talking or where the word fits in a sentence. In
Shavian, I always write it "oftan".

--
Ethan Lamoreaux - in Shavian, �???? �??????

The LORD bless thee, and keep thee:
The LORD make his face shine upon thee, and be gracious unto thee:
The LORD lift up his countenance upon thee, and give thee peace.

dshepx wrote:

>I think it interesting that you and I seem to be the only ones (?) who received
>Kirk's message as intended. I have no idea why this should be so.
>
>regards,
>dshep
>
>
F got it tM. it sDprFzd mI, tM, but OnlI bIkuz it wuz in H /AndraklIz
font, lFk His.

--
Ethan Lamoreaux - in Shavian, �???? �??????

The LORD bless thee, and keep thee:
The LORD make his face shine upon thee, and be gracious unto thee:
The LORD lift up his countenance upon thee, and give thee peace.

Hi Ethan
I suspect the pronunciation of the word "often" is in transition, so
pronouncing the t-sound is still acceptable, especially when it is an
emphasized adverb. As for me, it sounds a little affected in normal
speech, but hey, that's just me.
Regards, Paul V.
____________________attached__________________________________-
--- In shawalphabet@yahoogroups.com, Ethan <ethanl@3...> wrote:
>
> paul vandenbrink wrote:
>
> >Hi Philip
> >I added a couple more variations to lines
> >301, 319, 321, 323, 324, 334, 336, 343, 356, 369, 383, 391, 399
> >Have you ever heard someone say off=ten with the t-sound? (328)
> >Regards, Paul V.
> >
> >
> I pronounce the t in often, at least when I'm saying it carefully.
In
> everyday speach tho I may pronounce it or leave it out, it all
depends
> on how distinctly I'm talking or where the word fits in a
sentence. In
> Shavian, I always write it "oftan".
>
> --
> Ethan Lamoreaux - in Shavian, ·???? ·??????
>
> The LORD bless thee, and keep thee:
> The LORD make his face shine upon thee, and be gracious unto thee:
> The LORD lift up his countenance upon thee, and give thee peace.
>

Actually, the /t/ sound in "often" was lost entirely, and then added
again because of the spelling. Some prescriptivists will say this is
wrong, but that doesn't change the fact that many, if not most,
dialects are regaining it. If you want to write in a standard dialect,
then it should probably be left out as a matter of good style, but
either is acceptable in informal writing.
I used to have the /t/ until I was taught in elementary not to
pronounce it, and I still don't.

Regards,
Joseph Spicer
𐑡𐑴𐑕𐑩𐑓 𐑕𐑐𐑲𐑕𐑼

On Jan 24, 2006, at 1:21 AM, paul vandenbrink wrote:

> Hi Ethan
> I suspect the pronunciation of the word "often" is in transition, so
> pronouncing the t-sound is still acceptable, especially when it is an
> emphasized adverb. As for me, it sounds a little affected in normal
> speech, but hey, that's just me.
> Regards, Paul V.

This is interesting.



Over here in the UK, schoolchildren who "erroneously" pronounce the 't' are
also told off, but any adults who still do so are still told off or looked
down on. It's very much seen as an error here, not a dialectal difference.



Hugh B



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From: shawalphabet@yahoogroups.com [mailto:shawalphabet@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of wurdbendur@...
Sent: 24 January 2006 07:40
To: shawalphabet@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [shawalphabet] Re: Most Common English Words 301-400



Actually, the /t/ sound in "often" was lost entirely, and then added again
because of the spelling. Some prescriptivists will say this is wrong, but
that doesn't change the fact that many, if not most, dialects are regaining
it. If you want to write in a standard dialect, then it should probably be
left out as a matter of good style, but either is acceptable in informal
writing.
I used to have the /t/ until I was taught in elementary not to pronounce it,
and I still don't.

Regards,
Joseph Spicer
?????????? ??????????

On Jan 24, 2006, at 1:21 AM, paul vandenbrink wrote:

Hi Ethan
I suspect the pronunciation of the word "often" is in transition, so
pronouncing the t-sound is still acceptable, especially when it is an
emphasized adverb. As for me, it sounds a little affected in normal
speech, but hey, that's just me.
Regards, Paul V.