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I have just put up an ogg vorbis file of George Windsor (called by some
King George V) giving his first (and the first) Royal Christmas
Broadcast to the then Empire.

His speech is a little stilted as he was using new technology etc.

But it does give a flavour for the language he spoke which to my ears is
not clouded with the strangulated tones that were a characteristic of
Elizabeth Windsor (called by some Elizabeth II) early on in her career.
So there is no "house" pronounced "hice".

I have used the ogg vorbis file format as it is i) a good format and ii)
free from patent issues etc. To find out more visit
http://www.vorbis.com .

John Warner

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> George Windsor (called by some King George V)
> Elizabeth Windsor (called by some Elizabeth II)

Shouldn't it be the other way around?

Hugh B

I just sound it out ;) As for dictionaries, I've always been a Mirriam
Webster fan myself. But at least I try to speak (and write shavian)
clearly and without the thick East TN accent of my family. Bob, you
know the one I'm talking about... *g*

--Star

--- RSRICHMOND@... wrote:

> Philip Newton notes:
>
> >>One "problem" that I had was the lack of what I considered a
> suitable
> pronouncing dictionary; both the CMU dictionary you mention and the
> Moby Pronunciator ( http://www.dcs.shef.ac.uk/research/ilash/Moby/ ,
> or search for "moby pronunciator" to get several alternative pages
> offering it) use some American variety, which doesn't make all the
> distinctions I make when writing Shavian.<<
>
> I use the Oxford English Dictionary for British Received
> Pronunciation, which
> is the standard ("his late Majesty George V") for Androcles. I have
> the paper
> edition, but it's available on CD-ROM. Though normally I write Shaw
> Alphabet
> in my native Central-Western North American idiolect.
>
> Bob Richmond
>


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All I have to say, John, is WOW! This is great! The stilted speech may
sound strange, but to a linguist and to those of us who are picking
apart pronunciation, it allows us to better listen to his words through
the jumble of the old tech. Thanks for the addition!

--Star

--- John Warner <johncrwarner@...> wrote:

> I have just put up an ogg vorbis file of George Windsor (called by
> some
> King George V) giving his first (and the first) Royal Christmas
> Broadcast to the then Empire.
>
> His speech is a little stilted as he was using new technology etc.
>
> But it does give a flavour for the language he spoke which to my ears
> is
> not clouded with the strangulated tones that were a characteristic of
> Elizabeth Windsor (called by some Elizabeth II) early on in her
> career.
> So there is no "house" pronounced "hice".
>
> I have used the ogg vorbis file format as it is i) a good format and
> ii)
> free from patent issues etc. To find out more visit
> http://www.vorbis.com .
>
> John Warner
>
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Yes, I was thinking that you'd find few people who would walk up to the
Queen of England and say, "Good evening, Mrs. Windsor, how are you? How
is your husband Mr. Mountbatten?" Although, truth be told, according to
our constitution, people of foreign rank cannot command or hold that
rank over an American Citizen. It is still right in my book, however,
to refer to that person by their title. Queen Elizabeth II, King George
V, and Prince Phillip, (Duke of Edinburrough).

That being said, thanks again for the file, John. *g*

--Star

--- Hugh Birkenhead <mixsynth@...> wrote:

> > George Windsor (called by some King George V)
> > Elizabeth Windsor (called by some Elizabeth II)
>
> Shouldn't it be the other way around?
>
> Hugh B
>
>


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On 5/3/06, Star Raven <celestraof12worlds@...> wrote:
> --- RSRICHMOND@... wrote:
>
> > Philip Newton notes:
> >
> > >>One "problem" that I had was the lack of what I considered a
> > suitable
> > pronouncing dictionary; both the CMU dictionary you mention and the
> > Moby Pronunciator ( http://www.dcs.shef.ac.uk/research/ilash/Moby/ ,
> > or search for "moby pronunciator" to get several alternative pages
> > offering it) use some American variety, which doesn't make all the
> > distinctions I make when writing Shavian.<<
> >
> > I use the Oxford English Dictionary for British Received
> > Pronunciation
> >
> I just sound it out ;)

That's good for you when writing, but not so good if you want to write
an automatic converter -- it needs a machine-readable pronouncing
dictionary of some sort.

While you could build one up by having the program ask you for every
word that it doesn't know yet, that'd be a load of work at first until
it knows a core vocabulary.

Cheers,
--
Philip Newton <philip.newton@...>

On Wed, 2006-05-03 at 10:28 -0700, Star Raven wrote:
> Yes, I was thinking that you'd find few people who would walk up to the
> Queen of England and say, "Good evening, Mrs. Windsor, how are you? How
> is your husband Mr. Mountbatten?" Although, truth be told, according to
> our constitution, people of foreign rank cannot command or hold that
> rank over an American Citizen. It is still right in my book, however,
> to refer to that person by their title. Queen Elizabeth II, King George
> V, and Prince Phillip, (Duke of Edinburrough).
>
> That being said, thanks again for the file, John. *g*
>
> --Star
>
> --- Hugh Birkenhead <mixsynth@...> wrote:
>
> > > George Windsor (called by some King George V)
> > > Elizabeth Windsor (called by some Elizabeth II)
> >
> > Shouldn't it be the other way around?
> >
> > Hugh B
> >
> >

Dear All,

Thank you for the positive comments - I hope people can use the file.

As a Quaker I refuse to use titles and that includes Mr and Mrs so they
are Elizabeth Windsor and Philip Mountbatten just as my spiritual
forefathers called the person some refer to as Charles II as Charles
Stuart. The children are Charles Mountbatten-Windsor, Anne
Mountbatten-Windsor, Andrew Mountbatten-Windsor and Edward
Mountbatten-Windsor.

As I wrote the e-mail from my perspective (can I do anything else) and I
do not formally want to refer to George Windsor (né Saxe-Coburg-Gotha)
as George V I recorded that some (in this case the overwhelming
majority) refer to him as George V. I tend to use "some" in a way
influenced by first order logic and Peano's existential quantifier
(which looks like a rotated E) which is formally is translated as "There
exists at least one x which meets the condition ..." or more coloquially
"some x are ...". I think that Hugh has assumed that "some" has some
connotation of "minority" - I merely meant that I am aware that others
use a different name for George Windsor from me.

I was highly amused by the comments.

John Warner

PS 25th of twelfth month is called by some Christmas and this year 23rd
of fourth month was called by some Easter Day.





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It's okay John, we were just razzing you. As long as we're in the same
ball park it doesn't matter. ToMAto, ToMAHto, Trucks, Lories,
Elevators, lifts. This is why scientists use the genus/species
scientific naming convention.

--Star

--- John Warner <johncrwarner@...> wrote:

> On Wed, 2006-05-03 at 10:28 -0700, Star Raven wrote:
> > Yes, I was thinking that you'd find few people who would walk up to
> the
> > Queen of England and say, "Good evening, Mrs. Windsor, how are you?
> How
> > is your husband Mr. Mountbatten?" Although, truth be told,
> according to
> > our constitution, people of foreign rank cannot command or hold
> that
> > rank over an American Citizen. It is still right in my book,
> however,
> > to refer to that person by their title. Queen Elizabeth II, King
> George
> > V, and Prince Phillip, (Duke of Edinburrough).
> >
> > That being said, thanks again for the file, John. *g*
> >
> > --Star
> >
> > --- Hugh Birkenhead <mixsynth@...> wrote:
> >
> > > > George Windsor (called by some King George V)
> > > > Elizabeth Windsor (called by some Elizabeth II)
> > >
> > > Shouldn't it be the other way around?
> > >
> > > Hugh B
> > >
> > >
>
> Dear All,
>
> Thank you for the positive comments - I hope people can use the file.
>
> As a Quaker I refuse to use titles and that includes Mr and Mrs so
> they
> are Elizabeth Windsor and Philip Mountbatten just as my spiritual
> forefathers called the person some refer to as Charles II as Charles
> Stuart. The children are Charles Mountbatten-Windsor, Anne
> Mountbatten-Windsor, Andrew Mountbatten-Windsor and Edward
> Mountbatten-Windsor.
>
> As I wrote the e-mail from my perspective (can I do anything else)
> and I
> do not formally want to refer to George Windsor (n�
> Saxe-Coburg-Gotha)
> as George V I recorded that some (in this case the overwhelming
> majority) refer to him as George V. I tend to use "some" in a way
> influenced by first order logic and Peano's existential quantifier
> (which looks like a rotated E) which is formally is translated as
> "There
> exists at least one x which meets the condition ..." or more
> coloquially
> "some x are ...". I think that Hugh has assumed that "some" has some
> connotation of "minority" - I merely meant that I am aware that
> others
> use a different name for George Windsor from me.
>
> I was highly amused by the comments.
>
> John Warner
>
> PS 25th of twelfth month is called by some Christmas and this year
> 23rd
> of fourth month was called by some Easter Day.
>
>
>
>
>
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Dear all,

I apologises for potentially posting off topic but I have had queries
about ogg vorbis files off list so rather than sending the same e-mail
out over and over again - I offer it here.

>
> What in the world is an ogg vorbis file??


Ogg vorbis is a type of audio file. It is a an open source alternative
to the much more common mp3 which has been patented by Fraunhofer IIS
who licence it to others. Software patents are a nightmare to the free
software movement and so vorbis was designed as a free codec
(compression / decompression algorithm) for music and sound and ogg is
the format that contains the data to be decompressed by the vorbis
library. The ogg format can also contain video and is then known as ogg
theora.

For further information about the formats. Have a look at:
>
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vorbis

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ogg

The company that lead the ogg vorbis and ogg theora file type is
Xiph.org and you can find out more from here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xiph.org_Foundation

and at their own website:

http://www.xiph.org/vorbis/

To run ogg vorbis files you should visit the following site and click on
the appropriate operating system link.

http://www.vorbis.com/

I recommend that you give it a try and see what you think.



John Warner


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