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Hi Star
I guess the key question is whether Carl can use his subset of the
Shavian Alphabet in an understandable way.
If he simplifies his word choice to exclude words with the all the
funny sounds, it might actually be possible.
He might end up sounding like a robot, tho.
I once heard of an English author who wrote a whole book
without using the letter "e", until he got to
"The end"
Personally, I need more than 38 myself.
But let Carl try, and we can critique the result.
Regards, Paul V.
P.S. Da Shep seems to be saying G.B.S. was not of one mind on the
exact number of letters needed for British English. And I suspect
American English Speakers can get by with even less.
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--- In shawalphabet@yahoogroups.com, Star Raven
<celestraof12worlds@...> wrote:
> Uh, Carl? I see an intrinsic issue with cutting down to 38 out of
48,
> and that being that Shaw specifically said that there should be
more
> than 40 letters, if I recall correctly. Why not cut it down to 26
> letters and... well, maybe not. But the point being that English
is a
> complex language, and paring down an alphabet seems like regression
> back to the ill suited TO.
>
> Most of the ones that you mentioned, while suited for you, are not
> suited for others. I find myself using the rhotics because, as we
all
> learned when reading, a vowel + R combination makes a different
sound
> than a simple vowel, and it makes reading faster and easier at
least
> for me. The on/ah problem is going to persist for some, and not for
> others, I think it's dependant on how varied your own vowel usage
is,
> and the up/ado problem is going to persist for those who can't
figure
> out stress. That's just going to happen, and if you want to learn
how
> to use the alphabet the way it was created, granted there are some
> issues, but I find those are in a lack of letters, not in an
> overabundance.
>
> I could be wrong, I could be crazy. You pick.
> --Star
>
>
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hF /brFan
F Vz /SAvIan f nOt tEkiN tM.
but it iz a bit v a hyJ-pyJ.
F jenDYlI rFt in disJqntad frEzaz
& sumtFmz Vz sum wxdz in /rOmAn letxz
it wxks pritI gUd, thO.
F dOnt nO hQ V kUd studI wiTQt
sum kFnd v nOts.

F YlwEz tFp up mF nOts,
bafP I giv Hem t enIwun els.
rigRdz, /pYl /vI.

pI. es. F hav 1 kwxk
F Vz a dyt f H adM letD.
F find mFself VziN it Ivan wiT
/rOmAn letxz.
H /rOmAn Alfabet duzant hAv
a letD f H /SwY sQnd.
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Hi Paul,

It's been over a year since I've last heard from you. I like your idea for adding "el" the Elmo letter. My name Carl, would include that letter at the end. It's kinda like "er" but with a "l" instead. With Elmo I wouldn't have to use an "ado" before the "l". It guess if you could make those two letters you suggested into a system. You could use the "wh" from Quickscript, and "el" from you nifty Revised Shavian. Which reminds me I still need to learn that system. The only obstacle is find the Shavian equivalents to it so that I can master it. Especially, with those vowels.

Best of Regards,

Carl (Shavian Enthusiast)

paul vandenbrink <pvandenbrink11@...> wrote:
Hi Carl
I have agree with you on the names, altho I ame not so happy to
reduce the letters. In fact, I'd like to add a couple letters. In
particular, a Wh letter called Whale and a "el" called Elmo for the
stand-alone l-sound, you find at the end of some words. (i.e. girl,
table)
I wouldn't mind losing Ian.

I also pronounce Egg as a different sound from what it supposed to
represent. Echo works better for me.
I also pronounce the word Err, the same as Air, so I would prefer
that Shavian letter to be called Urge or Ergo. Or even Earl.
Have you seen the show, "My name is Earl"?
Keep up the good work.
Regards, Paul V.
_____________________attached_______________________________
Carl G. Easton" <shavintel16@...> wrote:
> I've recently completed a Sub-set of Shavian I've named Shavian
38,
> because it uses 38 Letters, rather than the traditional 48 Letters.
> I've even came up with a sequence for the 38 letters, in a fashion
> similiar to Unifon's sequence. The names of the letters are the
> same as the traditional example names of Shavian letters with 2
> exceptions. Instead of "egg", I use "echo" and instead of "wool",
I
> use "book". The reason for the change is that it better matches
my
> Utahn Dialect of English. I pronounce "egg" like "AYg" rather
> than "Ehg" -- so I use "Echo" for this vowels name. And I
> pronounce "wool" like "wOHl" rather "wUHl" -- so I use "Book" for
> this vowels name.
>
> With Shavian 38, I use every phoneme that is found in my Utahn
> Dialect of English. So I don't use "on" and "un". I use alot of
> schwa's or "ado's". And of course I don't use the ligatures or
> compound letters anymore.
>
> For any questions or comments or corrections,
>
> Give me a reply,
>
> Best of regards,
>
> Carl (Shavian Enthusiast)
>






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The technique is called a lipogram, and the book is Ernest Vincent
Wright's Gadsby (1939). It would be interesting, then in that vein, to
see how Shavian can be handled excluding a phoneme.

--Star

--- paul vandenbrink <pvandenbrink11@...> wrote:

> Hi Star
> I guess the key question is whether Carl can use his subset of the
> Shavian Alphabet in an understandable way.
> If he simplifies his word choice to exclude words with the all the
> funny sounds, it might actually be possible.
> He might end up sounding like a robot, tho.
> I once heard of an English author who wrote a whole book
> without using the letter "e", until he got to
> "The end"
> Personally, I need more than 38 myself.
> But let Carl try, and we can critique the result.
> Regards, Paul V.
> P.S. Da Shep seems to be saying G.B.S. was not of one mind on the
> exact number of letters needed for British English. And I suspect
> American English Speakers can get by with even less.
> _____________________attached___________________________
> --- In shawalphabet@yahoogroups.com, Star Raven
> <celestraof12worlds@...> wrote:
> > Uh, Carl? I see an intrinsic issue with cutting down to 38 out of
> 48,
> > and that being that Shaw specifically said that there should be
> more
> > than 40 letters, if I recall correctly. Why not cut it down to 26
> > letters and... well, maybe not. But the point being that English
> is a
> > complex language, and paring down an alphabet seems like regression
> > back to the ill suited TO.
> >
> > Most of the ones that you mentioned, while suited for you, are not
> > suited for others. I find myself using the rhotics because, as we
> all
> > learned when reading, a vowel + R combination makes a different
> sound
> > than a simple vowel, and it makes reading faster and easier at
> least
> > for me. The on/ah problem is going to persist for some, and not for
> > others, I think it's dependant on how varied your own vowel usage
> is,
> > and the up/ado problem is going to persist for those who can't
> figure
> > out stress. That's just going to happen, and if you want to learn
> how
> > to use the alphabet the way it was created, granted there are some
> > issues, but I find those are in a lack of letters, not in an
> > overabundance.
> >
> > I could be wrong, I could be crazy. You pick.
> > --Star
> >
> >
> > =========> >
> > "Better wizards than you have lost buttocks, you know!"
> > --Alastor 'Mad-Eye' Moody
> >
> > http://www.livejournal.com/users/wodentoad
> >
> > __________________________________________________
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> > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around
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> >
>
>
>
>
>


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Hi Carl
Nice to hear from you too. I was out of circulation for a month or
so with Appendicitis and infection, but now I feel almost as good as
new. Sorry we got out of touch.
I am interested to see if I can read your conversations in the
Shavian Subset.
I personally don't use Ian or On in my particular subset of the
Shavian Alphabet for American speakers. I could just as easily use
the letter On and skip using the Ah, which are indistinguishable in
my General American accent, but I think there are a number of good
reasons to do it the other way around.
First a practical reason. Because of my mild dylexia I find it hard
to consistently interpret, Ado, Ash, On and Egg. Removing one of
these signs from common use greatly improves my odds of recognising
the other 3 correctly.
Second a logical reason. Ah and Awe make a nicely matched pair of
sounds, that I hesitate to break up. Whereas On and Egg don't seem
to have anything in common.
Thirdly a British reason.
The lower British sound of On, found in names like James Bond, is
rarely used in American English speech. We tend to use the Ah sound
instead, for words with a short soft "o".
Regards, Paul V.
P.S. I have been trying to make a revised Shavian that is more
approachable, and eliminates some of the vowel variations, that
occurs in in different English accents. I try to use the minimal
number of vowel letters.
Ergo the introduction of the Elmo letter.
I also make greater use of Ado whenever practical.
_____________________________attached_______________________________
--- In shawalphabet@yahoogroups.com, carl easton <shavintel16@...>
wrote:
> It's been over a year since I've last heard from you. I like
your idea for adding "el" the Elmo letter. My name Carl, would
conclude with that letter. It's kinda like "er" (Array) but with
a "l" instead. With Elmo I wouldn't have to use an "ado" before
the "l". It guess if you could make those two letters you suggested
into a system. You could use the "wh" from Quickscript, and "el"
from you nifty Revised Shavian. >
_____________________attached_______________________________
> Carl G. Easton" <shavintel16@> wrote:
> > I've recently completed a Sub-set of Shavian I've named Shavian
> 38,
> > because it uses 38 Letters, rather than the traditional 48
Letters.
> > I've even came up with a sequence for the 38 letters, in a
fashion
> > similiar to Unifon's sequence. The names of the letters are the
> > same as the traditional example names of Shavian letters with 2
> > exceptions. Instead of "egg", I use "echo" and instead
of "wool",
> I use "book". The reason for the change is that it better matches
> my
> > Utahn Dialect of English. I pronounce "egg" like "AYg" rather
> > than "Ehg" -- so I use "Echo" for this vowels name. And I
> > pronounce "wool" like "wOHl" rather "wUHl" -- so I use "Book"
for
> > this vowels name.
> >
> > With Shavian 38, I use every phoneme that is found in my Utahn
> > Dialect of English. So I don't use "on" and "un". I use alot of
> > schwa's or "ado's". And of course I don't use the ligatures or
> > compound letters anymore.

Hi Paul,

I originally designed Shavian 38, as a parallel to the Deseret's 38 letters. Of course I had to reassign some of the Deseret letters so as to make room for "oil" and "ado". The 38 Phonemes of the Utahn Dialect make Shavian a perfect match for Shavian 38. And since I'm a Utahn, it just makes sense. One of the obvious problems people might have Shavian 38 is that it doesn't have any ligatures, like Traditional Shavian has. I guess you could include the rhotic-ligatures and "Elmo" to Shavian 38. Especially, since Utahn is a Rhotic Dialect. And we use the Elmo ("ado"+ "loll") alot too.

My Understanding of Shavian, is that it was originally designed for the Brittish Dialect of English, but with the Rhotic ligatures (which are very useful for American English).
So of course the Brittish have more phonemes than the Americans.

My hypothesis of Utahn having so few Phonemes is that the second Language of Utah is Spanish, and Spanish has fewer phonemes than English. Just a guess though. And of course we had in our history a lot of foreign speaking immigrants from Northern Europe, who had to quickly learn English as they settled the land. Just another guess, too, though.

I'll write more latter.

Best of Regards,

Carl (Shavian Enthusiasts)

P.S. Hey, Paul, if your interested we could start a yahoo discussion group, to discuss our interests and commonalities beyond Shavian.



paul vandenbrink <pvandenbrink11@...> wrote:
Hi Carl
Nice to hear from you too. I was out of circulation for a month or
so with Appendicitis and infection, but now I feel almost as good as
new. Sorry we got out of touch.
I am interested to see if I can read your conversations in the
Shavian Subset.
I personally don't use Ian or On in my particular subset of the
Shavian Alphabet for American speakers. I could just as easily use
the letter On and skip using the Ah, which are indistinguishable in
my General American accent, but I think there are a number of good
reasons to do it the other way around.
First a practical reason. Because of my mild dylexia I find it hard
to consistently interpret, Ado, Ash, On and Egg. Removing one of
these signs from common use greatly improves my odds of recognising
the other 3 correctly.
Second a logical reason. Ah and Awe make a nicely matched pair of
sounds, that I hesitate to break up. Whereas On and Egg don't seem
to have anything in common.
Thirdly a British reason.
The lower British sound of On, found in names like James Bond, is
rarely used in American English speech. We tend to use the Ah sound
instead, for words with a short soft "o".
Regards, Paul V.
P.S. I have been trying to make a revised Shavian that is more
approachable, and eliminates some of the vowel variations, that
occurs in in different English accents. I try to use the minimal
number of vowel letters.
Ergo the introduction of the Elmo letter.
I also make greater use of Ado whenever practical.
_____________________________attached_______________________________
--- In shawalphabet@yahoogroups.com, carl easton <shavintel16@...>
wrote:
> It's been over a year since I've last heard from you. I like
your idea for adding "el" the Elmo letter. My name Carl, would
conclude with that letter. It's kinda like "er" (Array) but with
a "l" instead. With Elmo I wouldn't have to use an "ado" before
the "l". It guess if you could make those two letters you suggested
into a system. You could use the "wh" from Quickscript, and "el"
from you nifty Revised Shavian. >
_____________________attached_______________________________
> Carl G. Easton" <shavintel16@> wrote:
> > I've recently completed a Sub-set of Shavian I've named Shavian
> 38,
> > because it uses 38 Letters, rather than the traditional 48
Letters.
> > I've even came up with a sequence for the 38 letters, in a
fashion
> > similiar to Unifon's sequence. The names of the letters are the
> > same as the traditional example names of Shavian letters with 2
> > exceptions. Instead of "egg", I use "echo" and instead
of "wool",
> I use "book". The reason for the change is that it better matches
> my
> > Utahn Dialect of English. I pronounce "egg" like "AYg" rather
> > than "Ehg" -- so I use "Echo" for this vowels name. And I
> > pronounce "wool" like "wOHl" rather "wUHl" -- so I use "Book"
for
> > this vowels name.
> >
> > With Shavian 38, I use every phoneme that is found in my Utahn
> > Dialect of English. So I don't use "on" and "un". I use alot of
> > schwa's or "ado's". And of course I don't use the ligatures or
> > compound letters anymore.






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Hi Carl
Nice to hear that you are progressing with your sub-set of Shavian.
I myself would not limit myself to just 38.
Deseret had 38 for the English spoken 150 years ago.
You might need a few more for today's spoken English.
I guess we will just have to see how well it works.

I agree the On letter is only necessary for British accented English.

As you can see the benefit of Elmo, why not the same benefit for the
Shavian letter "Array" which is equivalent to your "ado" + "roar"
Ah+array = "are"
Eat+array ="ear"
Echo+array="Air"
Ado+array or even just array="Err/Urge"
Ice+array="Ire" as in fire
Out+array="Our/Hour"

And do you use
"Awe+array" for "Or"
or maybe "Oak+array"
I prefer the first combination, because then there would be no
confusion between words like "sore" and "sower of wheat"
In a lot of English words, you would just use a plain "er" sound,
where the Array letter would be perfect.

Anyway, maybe you can transliterate something into your subset of a
Shavian, and then I can better judge how readable it is.
Regards, Paul V.
_____________________attached_____________________________
--- In shawalphabet@yahoogroups.com, carl easton <shavintel16@...>
wrote:
> I originally designed Shavian 38, as a parallel to the Deseret's
38 letters. Of course I had to reassign some of the Deseret letters
so as to make room for "oil" and "ado". The 38 Phonemes of the Utahn
Dialect make Shavian a perfect match for Shavian 38. And since I'm a
Utahn, it just makes sense. One of the obvious problems people might
have Shavian 38 is that it doesn't have any ligatures, like
Traditional Shavian has. I guess you could include the rhotic-
ligatures and "Elmo" to Shavian 38. Especially, since Utahn is a
Rhotic Dialect. And we do use the Elmo ("ado"+ "loll") alot too.
>
> My Understanding of Shavian, is that it was originally designed
for the British Dialect of English, but with the Rhotic ligatures
(which are very useful for American English).
>
> The British have more phonemes than the Americans.
>
> My hypothesis of Utahn having so few Phonemes is that the second
Language of Utah is Spanish, and Spanish has fewer phonemes than
English. Just a guess though. And of course we had in our history a
lot of foreign speaking immigrants from Northern Europe, who had to
quickly learn English as they settled the land. Just another guess,
too, though.
>
> I'll write more latter.
>
> Best of Regards,
>
> Carl (Shavian Enthusiasts)
>
> P.S. Hey, Paul, if your interested we could start a yahoo
discussion group, to discuss our interests and commonalities beyond
Shavian.
_____________________________attached_______________________________
> --- In shawalphabet@yahoogroups.com, carl easton <shavintel16@>
> wrote:
> > It's been over a year since I've last heard from you. I like
> your idea for adding "el" the Elmo letter. My name Carl, would
> conclude with that letter. It's kinda like "er" (Array) but with
> a "l" instead. With Elmo I wouldn't have to use an "ado" before
> the "l". It guess if you could make those two letters you suggested
> into a system. You could use the "wh" from Quickscript, and "el"
> from you nifty Revised Shavian. >
> _____________________attached_______________________________
> > Carl G. Easton" <shavintel16@> wrote:
> > > I've recently completed a Sub-set of Shavian I've named Shavian
> > 38,
> > > because it uses 38 Letters, rather than the traditional 48
> Letters.
> > > I've even came up with a sequence for the 38 letters, in a
> fashion
> > > similiar to Unifon's sequence. The names of the letters are the
> > > same as the traditional example names of Shavian letters with 2
> > > exceptions. Instead of "egg", I use "echo" and instead
> of "wool",
> > I use "book". The reason for the change is that it better matches
> > my
> > > Utahn Dialect of English. I pronounce "egg" like "AYg" rather
> > > than "Ehg" -- so I use "Echo" for this vowels name. And I
> > > pronounce "wool" like "wOHl" rather "wUHl" -- so I use "Book"
> for
> > > this vowels name.
> > >
> > > With Shavian 38, I use every phoneme that is found in my Utahn
> > > Dialect of English. So I don't use "on" and "un". I use a lot
> of
> > > schwa's or "ado's". And of course I don't use the ligatures or
> > > compound letters anymore.

hF pyl,

His iz a rIspyns tM jM in SyvIan 38, bUt Fm nyt Sar HAt F rImenbar Ha fynt kOd kOrektlI. evar sins F stypt gOiN tM hjMz SyvIan fOram, Fv bin Qt av prAktis. Ha kampjMtar HAt Fm jMziN dUz nyt hAv SyvIan fynts instyld sO mF rIspyns wil lUk Yl rOmanJI. dM jM wyt tM hIr sUm gUd nMz, Fm dMiN wel wiT Ha tM big TiNz in mF lFf Fm gOiN tM sylt lEk kammjMnitI kyliJ wiT a mEJar in bFylaJI. And Fm warkiN At bAnfIald pet hyspital, Az a petnars asistant. Fm kurentlI dMiN mF siksT wIk Her.
hOp His rIspyns in SyvIan 38 hAz helpt jM sI hQ it warks.

best av rIgyrdz,

kyral (SyvIan enTMzIast)

paul vandenbrink <pvandenbrink11@...> wrote:
Hi Carl
Nice to hear that you are progressing with your sub-set of Shavian.
I myself would not limit myself to just 38.
Deseret had 38 for the English spoken 150 years ago.
You might need a few more for today's spoken English.
I guess we will just have to see how well it works.

I agree the On letter is only necessary for British accented English.

As you can see the benefit of Elmo, why not the same benefit for the
Shavian letter "Array" which is equivalent to your "ado" + "roar"
Ah+array = "are"
Eat+array ="ear"
Echo+array="Air"
Ado+array or even just array="Err/Urge"
Ice+array="Ire" as in fire
Out+array="Our/Hour"

And do you use
"Awe+array" for "Or"
or maybe "Oak+array"
I prefer the first combination, because then there would be no
confusion between words like "sore" and "sower of wheat"
In a lot of English words, you would just use a plain "er" sound,
where the Array letter would be perfect.

Anyway, maybe you can transliterate something into your subset of a
Shavian, and then I can better judge how readable it is.
Regards, Paul V.
_____________________attached_____________________________
--- In shawalphabet@yahoogroups.com, carl easton <shavintel16@...>
wrote:
> I originally designed Shavian 38, as a parallel to the Deseret's
38 letters. Of course I had to reassign some of the Deseret letters
so as to make room for "oil" and "ado". The 38 Phonemes of the Utahn
Dialect make Shavian a perfect match for Shavian 38. And since I'm a
Utahn, it just makes sense. One of the obvious problems people might
have Shavian 38 is that it doesn't have any ligatures, like
Traditional Shavian has. I guess you could include the rhotic-
ligatures and "Elmo" to Shavian 38. Especially, since Utahn is a
Rhotic Dialect. And we do use the Elmo ("ado"+ "loll") alot too.
>
> My Understanding of Shavian, is that it was originally designed
for the British Dialect of English, but with the Rhotic ligatures
(which are very useful for American English).
>
> The British have more phonemes than the Americans.
>
> My hypothesis of Utahn having so few Phonemes is that the second
Language of Utah is Spanish, and Spanish has fewer phonemes than
English. Just a guess though. And of course we had in our history a
lot of foreign speaking immigrants from Northern Europe, who had to
quickly learn English as they settled the land. Just another guess,
too, though.
>
> I'll write more latter.
>
> Best of Regards,
>
> Carl (Shavian Enthusiasts)
>
> P.S. Hey, Paul, if your interested we could start a yahoo
discussion group, to discuss our interests and commonalities beyond
Shavian.
_____________________________attached_______________________________
> --- In shawalphabet@yahoogroups.com, carl easton <shavintel16@>
> wrote:
> > It's been over a year since I've last heard from you. I like
> your idea for adding "el" the Elmo letter. My name Carl, would
> conclude with that letter. It's kinda like "er" (Array) but with
> a "l" instead. With Elmo I wouldn't have to use an "ado" before
> the "l". It guess if you could make those two letters you suggested
> into a system. You could use the "wh" from Quickscript, and "el"
> from you nifty Revised Shavian. >
> _____________________attached_______________________________
> > Carl G. Easton" <shavintel16@> wrote:
> > > I've recently completed a Sub-set of Shavian I've named Shavian
> > 38,
> > > because it uses 38 Letters, rather than the traditional 48
> Letters.
> > > I've even came up with a sequence for the 38 letters, in a
> fashion
> > > similiar to Unifon's sequence. The names of the letters are the
> > > same as the traditional example names of Shavian letters with 2
> > > exceptions. Instead of "egg", I use "echo" and instead
> of "wool",
> > I use "book". The reason for the change is that it better matches
> > my
> > > Utahn Dialect of English. I pronounce "egg" like "AYg" rather
> > > than "Ehg" -- so I use "Echo" for this vowels name. And I
> > > pronounce "wool" like "wOHl" rather "wUHl" -- so I use "Book"
> for
> > > this vowels name.
> > >
> > > With Shavian 38, I use every phoneme that is found in my Utahn
> > > Dialect of English. So I don't use "on" and "un". I use a lot
> of
> > > schwa's or "ado's". And of course I don't use the ligatures or
> > > compound letters anymore.






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sQnd in H /iNgliS Aksent v /VtY.
EnIwE, kIp up H gUd wxk.
YlsO kungrAJalESunz yn jD nV Jb in H pet hyspital.
it iz a vXI raspynsabal jyb. it kAn bI a vXI hRd Jyb, but
it nIdz t bI dun. if V pDsist & giv it Yl jP atenSun, F Am
SjD V wil bI a sukses.
best v rigRdz, /pYl /vI.

pI. es. F did nOtis a kupal v tFpOz

rImenbar -> rImembar
kammjMnitI -> kamjMnitI
rOmanJI -> rOmanI
kurentlI -> karentlI
wyt -> wynt
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--- In shawalphabet@yahoogroups.com, carl easton <shavintel16@...>
wrote:
>
> hF pyl,
>
> His iz a rIspyns tM jM in SyvIan 38, bUt Fm nyt Sar HAt F
rImenbar Ha fynt kOd kOrektlI. evar sins F stypt gOiN tM hjMz
SyvIan fOram, Fv bin Qt av prAktis. Ha kampjMtar HAt Fm jMziN dUz
nyt hAv SyvIan fynts instyld sO mF rIspyns wil lUk Yl rOmanJI. dM
jM wyt tM hIr sUm gUd nMz, Fm dMiN wel wiT Ha tM big TiNz in mF lFf
Fm gOiN tM sylt lEk kammjMnitI kyliJ wiT a mEJar in bFylaJI. And Fm
warkiN At bAnfIald pet hyspital, Az a pet nars asistant. Fm
kurentlI dMiN mF siksT wIk Her.
> hOp His rIspyns in SyvIan 38 hAz helpt jM sI hQ it warks.
>
> best av rIgyrdz,
> kyral (SyvIan enTMzIast)
> ______________________________attached___________________________
> paul vandenbrink <pvandenbrink11@...> wrote:
> I myself would not limit myself to just 38.
> Deseret had 38 for the English spoken 150 years ago.
> You might need a few more for today's spoken English.
> I guess we will just have to see how well it works.
> Anyway, maybe you can transliterate something into your subset of
> a Shavian, and then I can better judge how readable it is.

hF pyl,

TENks fOr Ha rIspyns. espeSallI, Ha lAst pyrt yn mF tFpOz. Fv bin Qt av prAktis wiT Ha fynt kOdz. Az jM mFt nOtis Fm jMziN SyvIan 38 agen. bat F kAn stil jMz regjMlar SyvIan. Fm rilI eksFtad abQt mF njM Jyb. in fAkt Fl bI hediN Her in a fjM Qarz. His iz Ha OnlI Jyb, Fv evar hAd HAt F lUk fOrward tM gOiN tM wark fOr evrIdE, Fm asFnd.

Fl rFt mOr lEtar,

best av rIgyrdz,

kyral (SyvIan enTMzIast)

paul vandenbrink <pvandenbrink11@...> wrote:
hF /kRal
it lUks rIlI klC. H kIbPd mApiN iz rFt yn.
yD subset iz a lyt simplD t Vz HAn H regVlD /SAvIan, wic wUd
definetlI help a baginD t rId. YlsO F nOtis V dOnt byHD VziN H 4
stAndxd abrIvIESunz. HAt YlsO helps a baginD.
F Am sDprFzd hQ seldum H uHD 10 /SAvIan letxz R nIdad t reprasent a
sQnd in H /iNgliS Aksent v /VtY.
EnIwE, kIp up H gUd wxk.
YlsO kungrAJalESunz yn jD nV Jb in H pet hyspital.
it iz a vXI raspynsabal jyb. it kAn bI a vXI hRd Jyb, but
it nIdz t bI dun. if V pDsist & giv it Yl jP atenSun, F Am
SjD V wil bI a sukses.
best v rigRdz, /pYl /vI.

pI. es. F did nOtis a kupal v tFpOz

rImenbar -> rImembar
kammjMnitI -> kamjMnitI
rOmanJI -> rOmanI
kurentlI -> karentlI
wyt -> wynt
___________________________________atAct__________________

--- In shawalphabet@yahoogroups.com, carl easton <shavintel16@...>
wrote:
>
> hF pyl,
>
> His iz a rIspyns tM jM in SyvIan 38, bUt Fm nyt Sar HAt F
rImenbar Ha fynt kOd kOrektlI. evar sins F stypt gOiN tM hjMz
SyvIan fOram, Fv bin Qt av prAktis. Ha kampjMtar HAt Fm jMziN dUz
nyt hAv SyvIan fynts instyld sO mF rIspyns wil lUk Yl rOmanJI. dM
jM wyt tM hIr sUm gUd nMz, Fm dMiN wel wiT Ha tM big TiNz in mF lFf
Fm gOiN tM sylt lEk kammjMnitI kyliJ wiT a mEJar in bFylaJI. And Fm
warkiN At bAnfIald pet hyspital, Az a pet nars asistant. Fm
kurentlI dMiN mF siksT wIk Her.
> hOp His rIspyns in SyvIan 38 hAz helpt jM sI hQ it warks.
>
> best av rIgyrdz,
> kyral (SyvIan enTMzIast)
> ______________________________attached___________________________
> paul vandenbrink <pvandenbrink11@...> wrote:
> I myself would not limit myself to just 38.
> Deseret had 38 for the English spoken 150 years ago.
> You might need a few more for today's spoken English.
> I guess we will just have to see how well it works.
> Anyway, maybe you can transliterate something into your subset of
> a Shavian, and then I can better judge how readable it is.






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