hF /kyrl
F'm nyt sO SUr abQt H lAk v abrIvIESanz; wI dOnt yfan sI njM jMzarz hAviN
pryblamz andarstAndiN wen t jMz Hem.
F'm pritI SUr HAt H nEmiN myrk iz isenSal t avqd AmbigjMatI in print.
printad wardz yr yfan displEd in a frAgmentad mAnar wic wUd nyt akar in
spIc.
/hjM /b
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From: shawalphabet@yahoogroups.com [mailto:shawalphabet@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of carl easton
Sent: 02 October 2006 17:22
To: shawalphabet@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [shawalphabet] Re: Shavian 38
hF hjM,
Her izant rilI mac av a difarans. eksept Ha avqdans av abrIvIESans And Ha
nEmiN myrk. sO in aHar wardz its Jast jMzaz 38 av Ha SyvIan letarz And
avqdz Yl av Ha kanvenSanz av SyvIan.
aHar HAn HAt its pritI mac Ha sEm Az 'kat SyvIan'.
best av rIgyrdz,
kyral
Hugh Birkenhead <mixsynth@...> wrote:
hF /kyrl,
His iz a rispyns tM jM in /kat /SEvIan, HAt 'aHar' 38-letar /SEvIan sabset.
apyrt frym H letar nEmz, wer'z H difrans?
/hjM
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From: shawalphabet@yahoogroups.com [mailto:shawalphabet@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of carl easton
Sent: 28 September 2006 19:14
To: shawalphabet@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [shawalphabet] Re: Shavian 38
hF pyl,
His iz a rIspyns tM jM in SyvIan 38, bUt Fm nyt Sar HAt F rImenbar Ha fynt
kOd kOrektlI. evar sins F stypt gOiN tM hjMz SyvIan fOram, Fv bin Qt av
prAktis. Ha kampjMtar HAt Fm jMziN dUz nyt hAv SyvIan fynts instyld sO mF
rIspyns wil lUk Yl rOmanJI. dM jM wyt tM hIr sUm gUd nMz, Fm dMiN wel wiT
Ha tM big TiNz in mF lFf Fm gOiN tM sylt lEk kammjMnitI kyliJ wiT a mEJar in
bFylaJI. And Fm warkiN At bAnfIald pet hyspital, Az a petnars asistant. Fm
kurentlI dMiN mF siksT wIk Her.
hOp His rIspyns in SyvIan 38 hAz helpt jM sI hQ it warks.
best av rIgyrdz,
kyral (SyvIan enTMzIast)
paul vandenbrink <pvandenbrink11@...> wrote:
Hi Carl
Nice to hear that you are progressing with your sub-set of Shavian.
I myself would not limit myself to just 38.
Deseret had 38 for the English spoken 150 years ago.
You might need a few more for today's spoken English.
I guess we will just have to see how well it works.
I agree the On letter is only necessary for British accented English.
As you can see the benefit of Elmo, why not the same benefit for the
Shavian letter "Array" which is equivalent to your "ado" + "roar"
Ah+array = "are"
Eat+array ="ear"
Echo+array="Air"
Ado+array or even just array="Err/Urge"
Ice+array="Ire" as in fire
Out+array="Our/Hour"
And do you use
"Awe+array" for "Or"
or maybe "Oak+array"
I prefer the first combination, because then there would be no
confusion between words like "sore" and "sower of wheat"
In a lot of English words, you would just use a plain "er" sound,
where the Array letter would be perfect.
Anyway, maybe you can transliterate something into your subset of a
Shavian, and then I can better judge how readable it is.
Regards, Paul V.
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--- In shawalphabet@ <mailto:shawalphabet%40yahoogroups.com>
yahoogroups.com, carl easton <shavintel16@...>
wrote:
> I originally designed Shavian 38, as a parallel to the Deseret's
38 letters. Of course I had to reassign some of the Deseret letters
so as to make room for "oil" and "ado". The 38 Phonemes of the Utahn
Dialect make Shavian a perfect match for Shavian 38. And since I'm a
Utahn, it just makes sense. One of the obvious problems people might
have Shavian 38 is that it doesn't have any ligatures, like
Traditional Shavian has. I guess you could include the rhotic-
ligatures and "Elmo" to Shavian 38. Especially, since Utahn is a
Rhotic Dialect. And we do use the Elmo ("ado"+ "loll") alot too.
>
> My Understanding of Shavian, is that it was originally designed
for the British Dialect of English, but with the Rhotic ligatures
(which are very useful for American English).
>
> The British have more phonemes than the Americans.
>
> My hypothesis of Utahn having so few Phonemes is that the second
Language of Utah is Spanish, and Spanish has fewer phonemes than
English. Just a guess though. And of course we had in our history a
lot of foreign speaking immigrants from Northern Europe, who had to
quickly learn English as they settled the land. Just another guess,
too, though.
>
> I'll write more latter.
>
> Best of Regards,
>
> Carl (Shavian Enthusiasts)
>
> P.S. Hey, Paul, if your interested we could start a yahoo
discussion group, to discuss our interests and commonalities beyond
Shavian.
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> --- In shawalphabet@ <mailto:shawalphabet%40yahoogroups.com>
yahoogroups.com, carl easton <shavintel16@>
> wrote:
> > It's been over a year since I've last heard from you. I like
> your idea for adding "el" the Elmo letter. My name Carl, would
> conclude with that letter. It's kinda like "er" (Array) but with
> a "l" instead. With Elmo I wouldn't have to use an "ado" before
> the "l". It guess if you could make those two letters you suggested
> into a system. You could use the "wh" from Quickscript, and "el"
> from you nifty Revised Shavian. >
> _____________________attached_______________________________
> > Carl G. Easton" <shavintel16@> wrote:
> > > I've recently completed a Sub-set of Shavian I've named Shavian
> > 38,
> > > because it uses 38 Letters, rather than the traditional 48
> Letters.
> > > I've even came up with a sequence for the 38 letters, in a
> fashion
> > > similiar to Unifon's sequence. The names of the letters are the
> > > same as the traditional example names of Shavian letters with 2
> > > exceptions. Instead of "egg", I use "echo" and instead
> of "wool",
> > I use "book". The reason for the change is that it better matches
> > my
> > > Utahn Dialect of English. I pronounce "egg" like "AYg" rather
> > > than "Ehg" -- so I use "Echo" for this vowels name. And I
> > > pronounce "wool" like "wOHl" rather "wUHl" -- so I use "Book"
> for
> > > this vowels name.
> > >
> > > With Shavian 38, I use every phoneme that is found in my Utahn
> > > Dialect of English. So I don't use "on" and "un". I use a lot
> of
> > > schwa's or "ado's". And of course I don't use the ligatures or
> > > compound letters anymore.
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