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Ramses Oudt wrote:
> I just wanted to say hi to you all as a new member from the Netherlands.
>
Hi, Ramses! Just wanted to pop in here and say Welcome to the group!
You'll see me around sometime, when I get time. Now popping back out...

Ethan

Hi,

Yeah, heard some time about Jacq.

Second answer on anser 3 (;-));
Most sounds where almost the same (although we don't use 'oa' for the
'oak' sound but 'oo') but as I stated I didn't had to use all sounds
and characters.

--- In shawalphabet@yahoogroups.com, "yahya_melb" <yahya@...> wrote:
>
>
> Hi Ramses,
>
> --- In shawalphabet@yahoogroups.com, "Ramses Oudt" wrote:
> >
> > Hi Yahya,
> >
> > Yes, my name is really Ramses ;).
>
> One of my favourite Pharaohs! Do you know the books by Christian
> Jacq?
>
>
> > It took me 2 to 3 weeks to fluently use Shavian. But I used it
> > intensive (used it in very long meetings) and I'm best with Shavian
> > when I write Dutch with it.
> >
> > Your other questions:
> > 1. I don't speak a dialect of Dutch. I speak - what they call -
> Algemeen Beschaafd Nederlands (ABN, General Civilized Dutch (roughly
> translated)) or Algemeen Nederlands (General Dutch, same as ABN)
> > 2. Maybe the best answer for your question is this site:
> > http://www.phon.ucl.ac.uk/home/sampa/dutch.htm
>
> Thanks, that's very clear.
>
>
> > 3. No, for example we don't have the soft G (okay, people in the
> south of the Netherlands pronounce the G softly, but not me) so I
> used the IPA table and a Dutch transliteration of Quikscript
> to 'translate' Shavian for the Dutch language.
>
> OK, so perhaps I goofed and didn't express myself clearly. What I
> meant to ask was:
> 3. Does each standard Shavian symbol *that you use for Dutch* have
> the same value in Dutch as in English?
>
>
> > 4. None, I even had symbols left as Dutch has less vowel phonemes.
> I did used one symbol for the 'en' sound which can be trabnslated
> to 'and'. But lots of words also have that sound so that it would be
> handy to have it in the alphabet.
> > 5. See answer 4.
>
> No especial need for graphical ingenuity, then.
>
>
> > Ramses
> >
> > --- In shawalphabet@yahoogroups.com, "yahya_melb" wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In shawalphabet@yahoogroups.com, "Ramses Oudt" wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I just wanted to say hi to you all as a new member from the
> > > Netherlands.
> > > >
> > > > I joined this group as I'm interested in the Shavian alphabet
> for some time now and learned it my self. I also created a version
> of Shavian to be able to make notes in Dutch and as I can say I
> really enjoy being able to write Shavian.
> > > >
> > > > You will see me posting more in the groups the upcoming time.
> > >
> > >
> > > Hi Ramses, and welcome!
> > >
> > > Is your name really "Ramses"? - Get oudt a here! ;-)
> > >
> > > But seriously .... How long did it take you to learn Shavian, to
> the point you could use it fairly fluently for writing English?
> > >
> > > Also, I'd be fascinated to hear more details of your Dutch
> Shavian; in particular:
> > > 1. How many vowel phonemes does your dialect of Dutch require?
> > > 2. How many vowel phonemes does Standard Dutch require?
> > > 3. Does each standard Shavian symbol have the same value in
> Dutch as in English?
> > > 4. How many new symbols have you created, if any?
> > > 5. If you have created new symbols, what are the principles
> > > underlying their construction and shapes?
>
> Regards,
> Yahya
>

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pRt 4

nQ /JAk H JFAnt-kilx, kamiN HAt wE, waz sO tEken wiT H JenarositI v H
prins, HAt hI disFxd t bI hiz sxvent. His bIiN agrId upon, H nekst
mPniN HE set fPwxd on HX JxnI tMgeTx, wen, az HE wx rFdiN Qt v tQn, An
Old wUman kYld Aftx H prins, sEiN, "hI hAz Od mI tMpens HIz seven jCz;
prE pE mI Az wel Az H rest," pUtiN hiz hAnd t hiz poket, H prins gEv H
wUman Yl hI hAd left, sO HAt Aftx HX dE'z rifreSment, wic lost wat
smYl spel /JAk hAd bF him, HE wx wiTQt a penI bitwIn Hem. wen H sun
bigAn t grO lO, H kiN'z san sed, "/JAk, sins wI hAv nO manI, wX kAn wI
loJ His nFt?" but /JAk riplFd, "mAstx, wI'l dM wel Inaf f F hAv An
unkl livz wiTin tM mFlz v His plEs; hI iz a hVJ n monstras JFAnt wiT
HrI hedz; hI'l fFt fFv hundred men in Rmx, n mEk Hem t flF bifP him."
"alAs!" kwOT H prins, "wat SAl wI dM HX? hI'l sxtenlI cop us up At a
mQTfUl. nE, wI R skXs Inaf t fil wan v hiz holO tIT!" "it iz nO mAtx f
HAt," kwOT /JAk; "F mFself wil gO bifP n pripX H wE f V; HXfP tXI n
wEt til F ritxn." /JAk Hen rOd awE fUl spId, n kamiN t H gEt v H
kAsl, hI nokd sO lQd HAt hI mEd H nEbxiN hilz rizQnd. H JFAnt rPd Qt
lFk Hundx, "wM'z HX?" hI waz Ansxd, "nan but jx pUr /kasin /JAk. "kwOT
hI, "wat nMz wiT mF pUr /kasin /JAk?" hI riplFd, "dC unkl, hevI nMz,
god wot!" "priTI," kwOT H JFAnt, "wat hevI nMz kAn kam t mI? F Am a
JFAnt wiT HrI hedz, n bisFdz HQ nOest F kAn fFt fFv hundred men in
Rmx, n mEk Hem flF lFk cAf bifP H wind." "O, but," kwOT /JAk, "hC'z H
kiN'z san a-kamiN wiT a HQzend men in Rmx t kil V n distrq Yl V hAv!"
"O /kasin /JAk," sed H JFAnt, "His iz hevI nMz indId! F wil imIdIatlI
run n hFd mFself n HQ SAlt lok, bOlt, n bR mI in, n kIp H kIz until H
prins iz gon." hAviN sikxd H JFAnt, /JAk fecd hiz mAstx, wen HE mAd
Hemselvz hRtilI mXI wFlst H pUr JFAnt lEd trembliN in a vYlt undx H
grQnd.

xlI in H mPniN /JAk fxniSd his mAstx wiT a freS suplF v gOld n silvx,
n Hen sent him HrI mFlz fPwxd on HX JxnI, At wic tFm H prins waz wel
Qt v H smel v H JFAnt. /JAk Hen ritxnd, n let H JFAnt Qt v H vYlt, hM
Askd wat hI SUd giv him f kIpiN H kAsl fram distrukSen . "wF," kwOT
/JAk, "F dizFx naTiN but H Old kOt n kAp, tMgeTx wiT H Old rustI sPd n
slipxz wic R At jx bed'z hed." kwOT H JFAnt, "HQ SAlt hAv Hem; n prE
kIp Hem f mF sEk, f HE R HiNz v eksalent Vs. H kOt wil kIp V invisibl,
H kAp wil fxniS V wiT noliJ, H sPd kutz asundx watevx V strFk, n H SMz
R v ekstraPdinXI swiftnes, HIz mE bI sxvisabl t V, HXfP tEk Hem wiT Yl
mF hRt." tEkiN Hem /JAk HANkd hiz unkl, n hAviN OvxtEken hiz mAstx, HE
kwiklI arFvd At H hQs v H lEdI H prins sYt, hM, fFndiN H prins t bI a
sMtx, pripXd a splendid bANkwet f him. Aftx H ripAst waz kanklMded, SI
wFpd hiz mQT wiT a hANkxcef, sEiN, "V must SO mI HAt hANkxcef tM-morO
mPniN, P els V wil lMz jx hed." wiT HAt SI pUt it in hx bMsam. H prins
went t bed in grEt sorO, but /JAk's kAp v noliJ instrukted him hQ it
waz t bI abtEnd. in H midl v H nFt SI kYld upon hx familjx spCit t kXI
hx t /lMsifx. but /JAk pUt on hiz kOt v dRknes n hiz SMz v swiftnes, n
waz HX az sMn Az hx. wen SI entxd H plEs v H Ivil wan, SI gEv H
hANkxcef t Old /lusifx, hM lEd it upon a Self, wens /JAk tUk it n brYt
it t hiz mAstx, hM SOd it t H lEdI H nekst dE, n sO sEvd hiz lFf. on
HAt dE, SI salMted H prins, teliN him hI must SO hx H lips tM-morO
mPniN HAt SI kisd lAst nFt, P lMz hiz hed. "y," hI riplFd, "if V kis
nan but mFn, F wil" "HAt iz nITx hC nP HX," SI sed; "if V dM not,
deT's jx pPSen!" At midnFt SI went Az bifP, n waz ANgrI wiT Old
/lusifx fP letiN H hANkxcef gO. "but nQ," kwOT SI "F wil bI tM hRd f
H kiN'z san, f F wil kis HI, n hI iz t SO mI HF lips." wic SI did, n
/JAk, hM waz stAndiN bF, kut of H devil'z hed n brQt it undx hiz
invisibl kOt t hiz mAstx, hM H nekst mPniN pUld it Qt bF H hPnz bifP H
lEdI. Hus brOk, H encAntment n H Ivil spCit left hx, n apCd in Yl hx
bVtI. HE wx mXId H nekst mPniN, n sMn Aftx went t H kPt v /kiN /RTx,
wX /JAk, f hiz menI grEt eksplqts, waz mEd wan v H /nFts f H /rqnd
/tEbl.

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regRdz,
/brFAn /AlJxI
http://shavian.metabright.com/

helO grMp,

F nO a kupl v V hAv menSend HAt V Vz SYvWn Az a tFp v SPthAnd f nOt
tEkiN. His waz YlsO H rIsan wF F disFded t lxn SYvWn. F hAd prIvIaslI
lxnd /hAndIwrFt, sPt f rizemblz /gregz SPthAnd, but H Qtput tFks up tM
muc spEs. F kxentlI Vz SYvWn f Yl v mF pxsanal hAndwriten
dokVmentESen. YlHO samtFmz HX R rOmAn Alpabet wxdz intxmiNgld wiT H
SYvWn.

enIwE F waz Just wandxiN if mOst v H grMp Vzez SYvWn f nOt tEkiN on a
dElI bEsez? At lIst jx vxSen v SYvWn. Az F nO sam v V hAv divelapd jx
On sistemz.

regRdz,
/brEAn

--- In shawalphabet@yahoogroups.com, "Brian Algeri" wrote:
>
> helO grMp,
>
> F nO a kupl v V hAv menSend HAt V Vz SYvWn Az a tFp v SPthAnd f
nOt tEkiN. His waz YlsO H rIsan wF F disFded t lxn SYvWn. F hAd
prIvIaslI lxnd /hAndIwrFt, sPt f rizemblz /gregz SPthAnd, but H
Qtput tFks up tM muc spEs. F kxentlI Vz SYvWn f Yl v mF pxsanal
hAndwriten dokVmentESen. YlHO samtFmz HX R rOmAn Alpabet wxdz
intxmiNgld wiT H SYvWn.
>
> enIwE F waz Just wandxiN if mOst v H grMp Vzez SYvWn f nOt tEkiN
on a dElI bEsez? At lIst jx vxSen v SYvWn. Az F nO sam v V hAv
divelapd jx On sistemz.
>
> regRdz,
> /brEAn

hF /brFAn,
F dOnt, sins F tFp EvrIHiN, EksEpt f nOtz t b rEd bF aHxz n f pOEmz,
WiC F wont t sI in /rOmAn skript. N v kPs F rFt /Arabik in
H /Arabik skript.

rigRdz,
/yahya

Brian Algeri wrote:






helO grMp,
 
F nO a kupl v V hAv menSend HAt V
Vz SYvWn Az a tFp v SPthAnd f nOt

tEkiN.  His waz YlsO H rIsan wF F disFded t lxn SYvWn. F hAd prIvIaslI

lxnd /hAndIwrFt, sPt f rizemblz /gregz SPthAnd, but H Qtput tFks up tM

muc spEs. F kxentlI Vz SYvWn f Yl v mF pxsanal hAndwriten

dokVmentESen.  YlHO samtFmz HX R rOmAn Alpabet wxdz intxmiNgld wiT H

SYvWn.
 
enIwE F waz Just wandxiN if mOst v
H grMp Vzez SYvWn f nOt tEkiN on a

dElI bEsez? At lIst jx vxSen v SYvWn.  Az F nO sam v V hAv divelapd jx

On sistemz.
 
regRdz,

/brEAn






helO, brFan.



F Vst tO rFt mOst v mF nOts in SYvWn, espeSali in mF wxld histDr klAs,
wic involvd kwFt a lot v nOt-tExiN. but Hen F startad studIiN wiH
sumwan els, n sins F nevD txn dQn H opDtVnitI t studI wiH a preti gxl,
F hAd t mEk Sx SI kUd rId Hem Az wel. :p

n it woz arQnd H sEm tFm HAt F disFdad mF /lAtin hAndrFtiN woz an Yfal
mes n stRtad trFiN t rivFz it. mF studi pRtnD nOtist HAt it lUkt veri
Old, wic woz a pxfektli rIzanabal TIN t nOtis, sins it wos bEst on a
15T-sencDi /itAlik stFl. mF hAndrFtiN hAz sins digrEdad agen intU a
skwigli mes, but its a difDant kFnd v skwigal. :r




--

Regards,

Joseph Spicer

JOsaf spFsD

Through the internet I have discovered a copy of "On
Language", by Bernard Shaw. The title is something of
a misnomer however as it is actually an edited collection
of articles, letters and suchlike of Shaw's views on speech
and especially his lengthy campaign for a new alphabet.
Because it is a compilation it is necessarily somewhat
repetitive, as Shaw used the same or similar argument
time and again throughout a long life; still, there is much
of interest.

This book has on its cover Shaw's name, in shavian, which
may make it, after "Androcles", the only other book-cover
displaying the letters of this alphabet. The correct vowel
for his name is used, but the namer-dot was placed after
rather than before, which shows that typographical error
or misunderstanding can indeed occur even with the best
of intentions.

Shaw early on became interested in, or perhaps amazed
by, the liberties taken in the Cockney speech of London,
where almost every vowel was re-juggled and given a value
different from the standard, or I suppose I should say,
educated English of his day, it being uncertain if there's
ever been a standard English. Of all languages that use the
Roman alphabet, English exhibits the greatest departure
from the traditional Roman values for vowels, values that
all other European languages have more or less retained,
even if diacritics and digraphs are used to increase the
available number, and Cockney carries this process even
farther. An accompanying interest in the efforts (and
struggle for recognition) of the phoneticist Henry Sweet
(and his predecessor M. A. Bell) led of course to the play
"Pygmalion" and its popular derivative "My Fair Lady".

Sweet, by the 1870s, had analyzed the languages of north-
west Europe and devised an elaborate system for sound
identification and notation that recognized 36 different
vowels, of which no individual language used more than
about half. This notational system, which Sweet called
Romic as it for the sake of convenience used regular
Roman letters (this would have been before the IPA
system was developed), was the inspiration for Shaw's
proposed new alphabet, except that he early on rejected
the use of Sweet's Roman letters and began his plea for
an entirely new alphabet. Shaw's rejection was based on
his observation that no one would risk being thought
illiterate by beginning a letter "Deer Sur", or with any
other respelling substitute. Shaw also rejected short-
hand, even though he used shorthand to write all his plays,
because it was too complex, in effect a code, and also lacked
visual grace. He insisted that any new alphabet should be
designed by a competent artist in order that it might delight
the eye as well as the mind. In this I think Kingsley Read
certainly succeeded more than well.

Shaw agitated for a new alphabet for most of his life, right
up to a few days before his death, but modified his argument
by abandoning the appeal to reason as a hopeless cause, and
adopting instead an economic argument, which however does
not appear to have been any more successful in changing
many minds.

At first he called for 44 letters in a new alphabet, or alfabet
as he spelled it (sometimes at least 44), closely following
Sweet's pattern, but later reduced this to 42 (or at least 42);
even later, and in his will, he asked for only 40. A pre-printed
postal card he had made up, and which he sent to anyone who
expressed an interest in a new alphabet (and to many who
weren't) included the following proposal (Shaw referred to
the standard alphabet as Johnsonese, after Samuel Johnson's
great dictionary of 1755, in which today's spellings were largely
codified):

"A Forty Letter British Alphabet"

"The number of letters in the Johnsonese alfabet,
minus x, c, q (unnecessary) is: 23
The following consonants are missing:
sh, zh, wh, ch, th, dh, and ng 7
Also missing are the vowels and diphthongs:
ah, aw, at, et, it, ot, ut, oot, yoot, and the neutral
second vowel in colour, labour, honor, etc. 10
-----
40

The spellings are all Shaw's own. I'm personally gratified that
(wh) was included, something that Kingsley Read for whatever
reason chose to ignore, though he must have been aware of
Shaw's wishes; this card was widely distributed. Missing,
curiously, are the diphthongs of "out" and "oil". Shaw always
insisted that every sound should be represented by its own
letter, so I can only wonder at their absence. Perhaps he came
to consider these two as compounds rather than single sounds.

Americans should not be discouraged by the the reference to
a "British" alphabet. It would appear that Shaw avoided calling
his proposed alphabet "English" as that might be construed as
incorporating the Oxford pronunciation he so disliked, and railed
against in these articles; no other appropriate designation comes
to mind. Besides, in Shaw's day the pronunciations of the literate
members of the two continents was I think more similar than
they are today.

Additional copies are available at abe.books.com,
if anyone is interested.

dshep

Hi DaShep
It is sad that as G.B.S. became discouraged with the prospect of
providing English with a logical phonemic Alphabet, he reduced the
number of letters in the Alphabet, to something less than ideal.

The addition of the 6 letters for the r-colored vowel sounds,
Array, Err, Air, Are, Or and Ear, seems to be a later stroke of
genius by Kingsley, to provide a method of spelling both Rhotic and
Non-Rhotic English with the same letters, without compromising on
the Phonetics. G.B.S. seemed to prefer the use of Rhotic English as
the standard, perhaps not realizing there was a neat way around the
problem.
When in doubt, delegate it out.

Also, G.B.S. seems to have ignored a need for a specific, "ia"
Dipthong,
even tho he recognises a need for the "eu" Dipthong, (yoo).
Perhaps Kingsley added in those additional letters simply to make
the Shavian representation more efficient.
Personally I could live without the letter Ian.
Regards, Paul V.
______________________________attached____________________
--- In shawalphabet@yahoogroups.com, dshep <dshep@...>
wrote:
> Through the internet I have discovered a copy of "On
> Language", by Bernard Shaw. The title is something of
> a misnomer however as it is actually an edited collection
> of articles, letters and suchlike of Shaw's views on speech
> and especially his lengthy campaign for a new alphabet.

> Shaw early on became interested in, or perhaps amazed
> by, the liberties taken in the Cockney speech of London,
> where almost every vowel was re-juggled and given a value
> different from the standard, or I suppose I should say,
> educated English of his day, it being uncertain if there's
> ever been a standard English. Of all languages that use the
> Roman alphabet, English exhibits the greatest departure
> from the traditional Roman values for vowels, values that
> all other European languages have more or less retained,
> even if diacritics and digraphs are used to increase the
> available number, and Cockney carries this process even
> farther.

> Shaw agitated for a new alphabet for most of his life, right
> up to a few days before his death, but modified his argument
> by abandoning the appeal to reason as a hopeless cause, and
> adopting instead an economic argument, which however does
> not appear to have been any more successful in changing
> many minds.
>
> At first he called for 44 letters in a new alphabet, or alfabet
> as he spelled it (sometimes at least 44), closely following
> Sweet's pattern, but later reduced this to 42 (or at least 42);
> even later, and in his will, he asked for only 40. A pre-printed
> postal card he had made up, and which he sent to anyone who
> expressed an interest in a new alphabet (and to many who
> weren't) included the following proposal (Shaw referred to
> the standard alphabet as Johnsonese, after Samuel Johnson's
> great dictionary of 1755, in which today's spellings were largely
> codified):
>
> "A Forty Letter British Alphabet"
>
> "The number of letters in the Johnsonese alfabet,
> minus x, c, q (unnecessary) is:
23
> The following consonants are missing:
> sh, zh, wh, ch, th, dh, and ng
7
> Also missing are the vowels and diphthongs:
> ah, aw, at, et, it, ot, ut, oot, yoot, and the neutral
> second vowel in colour, labour, honor, etc. 10
>
-----
>
40
>
> The spellings are all Shaw's own. I'm personally gratified that
> (wh) was included, something that Kingsley Read for whatever
> reason chose to ignore, though he must have been aware of
> Shaw's wishes; this card was widely distributed. Missing,
> curiously, are the diphthongs of "out" and "oil". Shaw always
> insisted that every sound should be represented by its own
> letter, so I can only wonder at their absence. Perhaps he came
> to consider these two as compounds rather than single sounds.

Hi Dashep
I am glad to hear that Southern English is meeting the Mid-Western
accent halfway, and soon quibbles about the lack of a General
American accent will disappear into history books.
There is an interesting trend towards homogenity in America, that
have already made Cape Cod English, and Northern Yankee English into
oddities.
Regards, Paul V.
P.S. The cultural changes are a horse of a different color.
Global Warming worries me more. Can our High-Speed culture survive
in a Tropical climate. I guess if the Texans, can do it, it's
possible.
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--- In shawalphabet@yahoogroups.com, "dshepx" <dshep@...> wrote:
> >" I should note that that I have the pin-pen merger in my
> > dialect. Now that I have become aware of it, I have been
> > attempting to root (it) out, but I find it a stubborn weed."
>
> The test is whether you distinguish, on a regular basis,
> without conscious effort, between the vowels of "thin"
> and "then".
>
> But do not be too overly alarmed. According to Wlliam
> Labov of the University of Pennsylvania, whose speciality
> has long been American accents, and as reported in
> William MacNeil's "Do You Speak American?", a sequel of
> sorts to his earlier "The Story of English" the pin/pen
> merger, or to be be more exact, an i/e merger before
> nasals, is spreading, perhaps unnoticed, throughout the
> United States, and may in fact already be the majority
> pronunciation. Moreover, the speech area from whence
> it originated, the Inland South, again as reported in the
> book mentioned above, may well become, in time, the
> new Standard American, as surveys reveal that, while it
> is not the preferred speech-form to be learned by
> aspiring television anchors, is the speech-form most
> used, admired, or imitated by "ordinary" people with
> ordinary jobs. Perhaps one could say a parallel
> development to the growth of Estuary English in
> England, undermining RP.
>
> This particular accent, or dialect, whichever definition
> one prefers, is the speech of Bill Clinton, the recent
> Oscar-winner George Clooney, and aspiring Presidential
> candidate Bill Frist, currently Senate majority leader, and
> therefore bi-partison in scope. It also reflects the growing
> political clout of the southern states, whose assent
> apparently is now needed for any policy changes the
> United States may desire to undertake (or president it elects).
> The so-called sun-belt states continue to grow in both wealth
> and population as opposed to the midwest, the home-base
> of the so-called General American accent, and this growth
> will necessarily result in cultural changes, whether one
> approves or not. I hope this does not upset you too much,
> but change seldom does.
>
> with regards,
> dshep
>

Hi Carl
I have agree with you on the names, altho I ame not so happy to
reduce the letters. In fact, I'd like to add a couple letters. In
particular, a Wh letter called Whale and a "el" called Elmo for the
stand-alone l-sound, you find at the end of some words. (i.e. girl,
table)
I wouldn't mind losing Ian.

I also pronounce Egg as a different sound from what it supposed to
represent. Echo works better for me.
I also pronounce the word Err, the same as Air, so I would prefer
that Shavian letter to be called Urge or Ergo. Or even Earl.
Have you seen the show, "My name is Earl"?
Keep up the good work.
Regards, Paul V.
_____________________attached_______________________________
Carl G. Easton" <shavintel16@...> wrote:
> I've recently completed a Sub-set of Shavian I've named Shavian
38,
> because it uses 38 Letters, rather than the traditional 48 Letters.
> I've even came up with a sequence for the 38 letters, in a fashion
> similiar to Unifon's sequence. The names of the letters are the
> same as the traditional example names of Shavian letters with 2
> exceptions. Instead of "egg", I use "echo" and instead of "wool",
I
> use "book". The reason for the change is that it better matches
my
> Utahn Dialect of English. I pronounce "egg" like "AYg" rather
> than "Ehg" -- so I use "Echo" for this vowels name. And I
> pronounce "wool" like "wOHl" rather "wUHl" -- so I use "Book" for
> this vowels name.
>
> With Shavian 38, I use every phoneme that is found in my Utahn
> Dialect of English. So I don't use "on" and "un". I use alot of
> schwa's or "ado's". And of course I don't use the ligatures or
> compound letters anymore.
>
> For any questions or comments or corrections,
>
> Give me a reply,
>
> Best of regards,
>
> Carl (Shavian Enthusiast)
>