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F lUkd up H skripcur (/mATjM 26:53) in 7 diferent bFbelz, plus H oHer 3
gospel vEriESonz.

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H lIst AkjUrat v HIz waz H "gUd nMz nM testament" publiSd bF H /amerikAn
bFbel sosFeti. it jMzez H wOrd "RmIz" Az a sinonim fOr "lIJonz".

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HE stEt HAt H purpos v Her lMs trAnslESon iz t jMz H komon /eNglis v
todE; n "RmIz" R mOr Izili understUd bF H AveraJ person HAn R 'lIJonz'.

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apErentli nO bFbel skolar nOz hQ mAni EnJelz Her R in An "Rmi" nOr hQ
mAni Her R in a "lIJon".

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in hjMmAn militari fOrsez Her

R nO egzAkt numberz. bOT termz R indefinit n depend upon hQ mAni men R
avElabel.

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jUr /jUrAnSia revelESon iz H Onli won F hAv fQnd HAt provFdz a presFs
definiSon v JIzus' stEtment.

.....s.A.

--- In shawalphabet@yahoogroups.com,
--- "Philip Newton" <philip.newton@...> wrote:

That would work too. Besides, not all that different.

cheerily,
dshep


> I was thinking about something along the line of Burmese "t" (see
> http://www.omniglot.com/writing/burmese.htm).
>
> Cheers,
> --
> Philip Newton <philip.newton@...>
>

pEtriotizm


dM jM nO F hAv ben kYld a pEtriot mFself, bF H ignOrAnt n TYtles.

...

alAs n alAs, in His wOrld won iz never sEf from insult.

--/mRk twEn.

Okay, so, lacking a sane way of working through my insane plan, I am having a lot of trouble coming up with an introduction. I have, however, been handwriting Dracula with my replacements, and as I progress, I'm beginning to see that this method may smooth the learning curve very well. I'm looking for an estimate of the individual number of words used in a day, but so far have seen estimates from 150-800, and none supported.

As soon as I find my card reader or have a moment to scan the pages, I'll post what I have so far, which is Chapter 1 of Dracula, introducing Pip, Bib, and the Namer Dot.

--Star

========="By Grabthar's hammer, by the sons of Worvan, you shall be avenged!"
--Dr. Lazarus, Galaxy Quest


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Rt TrM H EJez:


hjMmAn diskoveri v H pQer t proJekt ilMZonz v H 3-dimenSonal wOrld upon
2-dimenSonal surfasez gOz bAk TQzAndz v jIrz n mRks An enOrmus step in H
kontrOl n mAnipjMlESon v TiNz persIvd.

...

it waz wiH H /grIks HAt Her emerJd wat mFt bI kYld H spesifikali western
inteliJens, wiH its respekt fOr rIzon, sFentifik inkwFri, H fizikal
konsept v nEcur, n H hjMmAnistik vjM v mAn.

______________

Hi Ethan
I agree with Philip and Star in this matter.
As long a sizable percentage of English speakers, distinguish between
the hw and the voiced w sounds, I would like to indicate the hw
sound with its own letter. I would also like this new letter to be
reversed symetric with the Shavian Letter Woe. Perhaps, we could
call it, "Whale".

I don't think it is that similar to the situation where the compound
sound "ks" usually represented by X in Roman, is written with 2 Shaw
Letters. For number of reasons, the most important being that X
actually represents 3 or more different sounds (i.e, xenaphobia,
xylophone, x-ray, extra, exagerate, relax) and is not Phonemic.
In "exagerate", the x sound is voiced and would be written
egzagerate, without an X.
I think the X, was added to the Alphabet, simply to represent an
unusual sound in some Greek Words, and is singularly lacking in
consistency.

As an aside, It might be neat to have a Shaw letter that represents
any Non-Standard Non-English Consonant. Some transcriptions use X to
represent the Hebrew Khet sound, that you hear in the Names Bach and
Loch Lamond.
X marks the Variable in Mathematical equations. Why not in the Shaw
Alphabet?

Regards, Paul V.
____________________attached_____________________________
--- In shawalphabet@yahoogroups.com, "Philip Newton"
<philip.newton@...> wrote:
>
> On Fri, Oct 24, 2008 at 10:13, Ethan <ethan@...> wrote:
> > I could never figure out why we should need a special letter to
> > represent two sounds which already have letters. h + w, ð`£ð`¢
should be
> > sufficient, just as we use k + s, ð`'ð`• to represent the
sound of x.
> > There are already 48 letters, do we really need more compound
letters?
>
> One advantage is that using a separate letter would make the
writing
> system phonemic for more people.
>
> Like rhotic letters: I, for example, can pretend that OR and AWE
are
> simply two different ways to write the same sound, while others can
> use them to represent what are, to them, different sounds (one
with an
> "r" in it and the other not). If we had written OR as AWE + ROAR,
then
> the spelling wouldn't match my pronunciation so well since I have
no
> "r" sound there (in most cases - "linking R" aside).
>
> Similarly, if there were a letter hw, then I could pretend that
it's
> just another way to write the /w/ sound for me; writing it as h + w
> notates a pronunciation with /h/ explicitly, which doesn't work as
> well for me.
>
> So I'm saying that certain compound letters help the Shaw Alphabet
to
> be more cross-dialectal.
>
> I wouldn't be against a compound one for OAK + ROAR, for those who
> differentiate between "horse, hoarse" (Wells's NORTH/FORCE); I
could
> treat it as equivalent to OR and AWE while others can make
> distinctions.
>
> Cheers,
> Philip
> --
> Philip Newton <philip.newton@...>
>

Fitting for the season, I've begun transcribing Dracula, by Bram Stoker, starting with p/b and the namer dot. So far, I'm beginning to wonder if my husband was right and if this might destroy my ability to write TO. My spelling already suffers as in my latest chats, I find myself writing phonemically. I will post the first chapter as soon as I am done, probably in PDF. For now, I am leaving the introduction for later.

--Star

==========
"By Grabthar's hammer, by the sons of Worvan, you shall be avenged!"
--Dr. Lazarus, Galaxy Quest


My LJ: http://www.livejournal.com/users/wodentoad
Andre Norton Forum: http://forums.delphiforums.com/colorado16/




________________________________
From: paul vandenbrink <vandenbrinkg@gmail.com>
To: shawalphabet@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 10:30:09 AM
Subject: [shawalphabet] Re: the change we need?


Hi Ethan
I agree with Philip and Star in this matter.
As long a sizable percentage of English speakers, distinguish between
the hw and the voiced w sounds, I would like to indicate the hw
sound with its own letter. I would also like this new letter to be
reversed symetric with the Shavian Letter Woe. Perhaps, we could
call it, "Whale".

I don't think it is that similar to the situation where the compound
sound "ks" usually represented by X in Roman, is written with 2 Shaw
Letters. For number of reasons, the most important being that X
actually represents 3 or more different sounds (i.e, xenaphobia,
xylophone, x-ray, extra, exagerate, relax) and is not Phonemic.
In "exagerate", the x sound is voiced and would be written
egzagerate, without an X.
I think the X, was added to the Alphabet, simply to represent an
unusual sound in some Greek Words, and is singularly lacking in
consistency.

As an aside, It might be neat to have a Shaw letter that represents
any Non-Standard Non-English Consonant. Some transcriptions use X to
represent the Hebrew Khet sound, that you hear in the Names Bach and
Loch Lamond.
X marks the Variable in Mathematical equations. Why not in the Shaw
Alphabet?

Regards, Paul V.
____________ ________attached _________ _________ _________ __
--- In shawalphabet@ yahoogroups. com, "Philip Newton"
<philip.newton@ ...> wrote:
>
> On Fri, Oct 24, 2008 at 10:13, Ethan <ethan@...> wrote:
> > I could never figure out why we should need a special letter to
> > represent two sounds which already have letters. h + w, ð�`£ð�`¢
should be
> > sufficient, just as we use k + s, ð�`'ð�`• to represent the
sound of x.
> > There are already 48 letters, do we really need more compound
letters?
>
> One advantage is that using a separate letter would make the
writing
> system phonemic for more people.
>
> Like rhotic letters: I, for example, can pretend that OR and AWE
are
> simply two different ways to write the same sound, while others can
> use them to represent what are, to them, different sounds (one
with an
> "r" in it and the other not). If we had written OR as AWE + ROAR,
then
> the spelling wouldn't match my pronunciation so well since I have
no
> "r" sound there (in most cases - "linking R" aside).
>
> Similarly, if there were a letter hw, then I could pretend that
it's
> just another way to write the /w/ sound for me; writing it as h + w
> notates a pronunciation with /h/ explicitly, which doesn't work as
> well for me.
>
> So I'm saying that certain compound letters help the Shaw Alphabet
to
> be more cross-dialectal.
>
> I wouldn't be against a compound one for OAK + ROAR, for those who
> differentiate between "horse, hoarse" (Wells's NORTH/FORCE) ; I
could
> treat it as equivalent to OR and AWE while others can make
> distinctions.
>
> Cheers,
> Philip
> --
> Philip Newton <philip.newton@ ...>
>

fOrest Animalz eksperiensd fFr HAt rezulted from lFtniN.


nIrli a milion jIrz agO, 2 Animalz akwFrd a konsept v wOrSip, Or
grAtitMd.

a SOrt tFm lEter, H fImEl bekEm awEr v wizdom, H abiliti t TiNk v 2
FdIaz n Hen imAJin wat mFt hApen if HE wer kombFnd in som sOrt v
relESonSip.

H mEl, her broHer, hAd diskoverd a stOn wiH An unjMZMal kwoliti.

wen rubd agAnst AnoHer won it prodMsd a spRk v lFt.

wFl it Onli lAsted a mOment Or 2, hI waz Ebel t dM it repItedli.

it waz lFk H spRks HE hAd sIn in H nAcural fFrz.

HE nOtisd HAt som spRks lAsted a litel loNger HAn oHerz wen HE fel in
diferent plEsez.

H kwescon arOz in Her mFndz: wF?

spRks lAndiN on dAmp Or hRd surfasez went Qt kwikli.

HOz fYliN on drF, softer surfAsez remEnd brFt a mOment loNger.

H fImEl Hen begAn serciN fOr drF, softer obJekts n fFnali fQnd An
abAndond bird'z nest.

wen a spRk fel on a feHer it kwikli flErd up n its flEm Hen ignFted H
twig nekst t it, Hen t H nekst, until H entFr nest waz aflEm.

At first HE wer bOT sO stRteld HE Just kept gEziN At it until H flEmz
begAn diminiSiN n HE kwikli put mOr twigz on it; Hen drF lIvz n smYl
brAncez, AdiN lorJer wonz Az H fFr inkrIsd, n stil mOr Az HE wocd it
burn TrMQt H nFt, amEzd At wat HE hAd akompliSd After trFiN mAni tFmz a
dE fOr mOr HAn 2 monTs.

Az HE hAd trAveld nOrTward n H Ytum weHer bekEm kMler HE hAd ben jMziN
Animal skinz t kIp warm--n nQ HE hAd fFr!

_______________



.

A few months ago I posted about a way to transliterate software
messages into the Shavian alphabet. I have now written a Firefox addon
to transliterate pages into Shavian, to see how easy it would be:

https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/9515

You'll need to install a Shavian font such as Andagii which uses the
proper Unicode code points, not one which maps Latin characters to
Shavian characters.

Here's a screenshot:
http://marnanel.org/shavian/wp.png

Thomas

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