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This is the beginning of a typographer's dummy-text once used widely as an aide to page layout and such. It is taken from one of Cicero's commentaries and was deliberately altered in places so as not to distract typesetters from their tasks. A nonsense text in other words, but one that can nevertheless tempt the reader (one that understands Latin) into suspecting some hidden or disguised meaning. Think of Lewis Carroll's Jabberwocky: 'Twas bryllyg, and ye slythy toves'…etc.

From time to time the Lorem Ipsum text has been translated into English, probably just for the heck of it. Not too long ago an article in the Guardian described a recent attempt to find a more modern translation––after all, while the original garbled Latin text may not change, its interpretation can change as English evolves.

http://www.theguardian.com/books/booksblog/2014/mar/21/lorem-ipsum-translated-latin-placeholder-text

Thus:
'Rrow itself, let it be sorrow; let him love it; let him pursue it, ishing for its acquisitiendum.' And so forth.

Well, if it can be translated into English it can be transliterated into Shavian, so here goes:

𐑮𐑴 𐑦𐑑𐑕𐑧𐑤𐑓, 𐑤𐑧𐑑 𐑦𐑑 𐑚𐑰 𐑕𐑪𐑮𐑴; 𐑤𐑧𐑑 𐑙𐑦𐑥 𐑤𐑪𐑝 𐑦𐑑; 𐑤𐑧𐑑 𐑙𐑦𐑥 𐑐𐑳𐑮𐑕𐑵 𐑦𐑑, 𐑦𐑖𐑦𐑣 𐑓𐑪𐑮 𐑦𐑑𐑕 𐑩𐑒𐑢𐑦𐑕𐑦𐑑𐑦𐑧𐑯𐑛𐑳𐑥...

Actually, the shavian alphabet can be used to replace the Latin letter for letter, if one has a mind to, as the sound values are pretty much the same (but fewer) with the probable exception of the vowel of 'but'.

𐑤𐑪𐑮𐑧𐑥 𐑦𐑐𐑕𐑳𐑥 𐑛𐑴𐑤𐑪𐑮 𐑕𐑦𐑑 𐑭𐑥𐑧𐑑, 𐑒𐑪𐑯𐑕𐑧𐑒𐑑𐑩𐑑𐑳𐑮 𐑭𐑛𐑦𐑐𐑦𐑕𐑒𐑦𐑣 𐑧𐑤𐑦𐑑...

Interesting that this can be done, or could be done by someone unlike me skilful in Latin pronunciation, because when the shavian alphabet was being given form back in the sixties, with the ambition as Shaw wished of supplying a unique letterform for each distinct English sound, the choice was made (by whom?) to align the vowels with continental values and not the traditional English long and short vowel combinations. This was at a time when England was ditching its shillings and pence, and its feet and inches, so perhaps it was simply something that was thought modern and correct. The traditional pairing of short and long (front) vowels is am/aim, el/eel, is/ice, while continental (chiefly Italian) and consequently shavian pairing is instead it/eat, edge/age, as/ice. Does it matter? I suppose one can wonder why an alphabet created especially to render spoken English (and not any other language) into a form readily accessible to all speakers should deliberately not reflect traditional sound pairings. Noam Chomsky even dismisses any attempt at alphabetic reform as unusable misguided effort if they eliminate, in order to agree with IPA (i.e. continental) sound-value conventions, the organic relationships that exist in related words such as nation/nationality, meet/met, light/lit and so on. Something to ponder.

Meanwhile,
for us in the northern hemisphere, today was the year's shortest day, and tomorrow will be a little bit longer as our astronomical cycle begins to repeat itself.

But for all,
𐑥𐑧𐑮𐑦 𐑒𐑮𐑦𐑕𐑥𐑩𐑕

Write a message...

I did not write the 'write a message' request that accompanied an image just posted. It appears that I have discovered yet another aspect of the mechanics of submitting a posting that I did not notice or do not grasp, also Yahoo seems to have re-arranged everything, or at least enough to confuse me. Anyway, I just wanted to present Read's various alphabet proposals side-by-side for comparison, which might be of interest to some, including his entry for the Shaw alphabet competition which differs in several respects from the alphabet used in the dual-language edition of 'Androcles'.

·𐑛𐑖

I guess it is still possible to use a Shavian True Type Font, for most purposes. Windows 8.0 still supports it to some extent. Regards, Paul V.

A font test for (the rejuvenated) Yahoo
copied to the group page


Shaw Sans 2
𐑩 𐑳 𐑦 𐑰 𐑧 𐑱 𐑨 𐑲 𐑪 𐑴 𐑫 𐑵 𐑭 𐑷 𐑶 𐑬


An ASCII font (Androcles)
𐑩 𐑳 𐑦 𐑰 𐑧 𐑱 𐑨 𐑲 𐑪 𐑴 𐑫 𐑵 𐑭 𐑷 𐑶 𐑬


A Unifon font (Everson Mono)
𐑩 𐑳 𐑦 𐑰 𐑧 𐑱 𐑨 𐑲 𐑪 𐑴 𐑫 𐑵 𐑭 𐑷 𐑶 𐑬
𐑩 𐑳 𐑦 𐑰 𐑧 𐑱 𐑨 𐑲 𐑪 𐑴 𐑫 𐑵 𐑭 𐑷 𐑶 𐑬


(Various)
test þ´ßþ þ´ßþ/ƿþðɛəʊʌ þ´ßþ test þéßþ testþ test test





(Gentium)


Some dictionary symbols:
ā ē ī ō ū ă ĕ ĭ ŏ ŭ æ ä ʉ î ö ô ǫ û ɷ þ ð


Some IPA symbols:

ɐ ɑ ɒ ɔ ə ɛ ɜ ɩ ɪ ʊ ʌ ʍ ɹ

A font test for (the rejuvenated) Yahoo
sent as e-mail

Shaw Sans 2
𐑩 𐑳 𐑦 𐑰 𐑧 𐑱 𐑨 𐑲 𐑪 𐑴 𐑫 𐑵 𐑭 𐑷 𐑶 𐑬

An ASCII font (Androcles)
𐑩 𐑳 𐑦 𐑰 𐑧 𐑱 𐑨 𐑲 𐑪 𐑴 𐑫 𐑵 𐑭 𐑷 𐑶 𐑬

A Unifon font (Everson Mono)
𐑩 𐑳 𐑦 𐑰 𐑧 𐑱 𐑨 𐑲 𐑪 𐑴 𐑫 𐑵 𐑭 𐑷 𐑶 𐑬
𐑩 𐑳 𐑦 𐑰 𐑧 𐑱 𐑨 𐑲 𐑪 𐑴 𐑫 𐑵 𐑭 𐑷 𐑶 𐑬

(Various)
test þ´ßþ þ´ßþ/ƿþðɛəʊʌ þ´ßþ test þéßþ testþ test

(Gentium)

Some dictionary re-spelling symbols:
ā ē ī ō ū ă ĕ ĭ ŏ ŭ æ ä ʉ î ö ô ǫ û ɷ þ ð

Some IPA symbols:
ɐ ɑ ɒ ɔ ə ɛ ɜ ɩ ɪ ʊ ʌ ʍ ɹ

Well, this seems to me to be a vast improvement of the font display possibilities for the group page. Everything that I sent, using two methods, came through and are displayed pretty much as intended (with a few minor exceptions). Even the phonetic symbols show up on an iPhone.

Amazed, ·𐑛𐑖

I’m glad that the previous test came through successfully, though
some discrepancies appear when the posted message is copied to
text-edit (the standard word-processing app on a Mac). I suppose
this is a font resolution issue – or whatever the correct term is for
this problem. For example, Shaw Sans No. 2 is converted to
Andagii when the directly copied sample (3411) is returned to
text-edit. while all the shavian samples are converted to Everson
Mono when the e-mail posting (3412) is copied. Unifon rules,
I guess one could say.


Meanwhile, here is another test, of a font that is copyrighted,
which I take to mean initiated and/or sponsored by Google.


Noto Sans Shavian


𐑩 𐑚 𐑗 𐑛 𐑧 𐑓 𐑜 𐑣 𐑦 𐑘 𐑒 𐑤 𐑥
𐑯 𐑪 𐑐 𐑶 𐑮 𐑕 𐑑 𐑳 𐑝 𐑢 𐑻 𐑭 𐑟


𐑨 · 𐑽 𐑼 𐑱 𐑲 𐑞 𐑰 𐑡 𐑵
𐑙 𐑴 𐑹 𐑬 𐑸 𐑖 𐑔 𐑫 𐑿 𐑾 𐑺 𐑷 𐑠


——
·𐑛𐑖

Hello to All!

I'm looking for people who enjoy the Shavian alphabet and who want to use it in Esperanto. The connection between the written and spoken forms are pleasingly close in Esperanto, and the Shavian alphabet is worth saving--not only in a museum or book, but in living, interpersonal exchange. If any of this appeals to you, please contact me. I especially enjoy using the alphabet in hand-written form. Vivu la sxava alfabeto!

Gxis la reskribo,
Erik Felker

Hello!
𐑖𐑨𐑝𐑨 𐑨𐑤𐑓𐑨𐑚𐑧𐑑𐑩 𐑦𐑵𐑑𐑧𐑮𐑧𐑕𐑨𐑕 𐑫𐑦𐑵!

On 16-03-2015 15:12, ejfelker@... [shawalphabet] wrote:
>
> Hello to All!
>
> I'm looking for people who enjoy the Shavian alphabet and who want to
> use it in Esperanto. The connection between the written and spoken
> forms are pleasingly close in Esperanto, and the Shavian alphabet is
> worth saving--not only in a museum or book, but in living,
> interpersonal exchange. If any of this appeals to you, please contact
> me. I especially enjoy using the alphabet in hand-written form. Vivu
> la sxava alfabeto!
>
> Gxis la reskribo,
> Erik Felker
>
>
>