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From: Evan Gallagher <evan@...>
Date: 2016-11-25 02:43:44 #
Subject: Re: [shawalphabet] Future trends?

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๐‘ฟโ€ˆ๐‘ฎ๐‘ฑ๐‘Ÿโ€ˆ๐‘ฉ๐‘ฏโ€ˆ๐‘ฆ๐‘ฏ๐‘‘๐‘ผ๐‘ง๐‘•๐‘‘๐‘ฆ๐‘™โ€ˆ๐‘’๐‘ข๐‘ง๐‘•๐‘—๐‘ฉ๐‘ฏ, ยท๐‘›๐‘–.โ€ˆ๐‘›๐‘ณ๐‘Ÿโ€ˆ๐‘ง๐‘ฏ๐‘ฆ๐‘ข๐‘ณ๐‘ฏโ€ˆ๐‘ฏ๐‘ดโ€ˆ๐‘ง๐‘ฏ๐‘ฆโ€ˆ๐‘ฆ๐‘œ๐‘Ÿ๐‘ญ๐‘ฅ๐‘๐‘ฉ๐‘ค๐‘Ÿโ€ˆ๐‘โ€ˆ๐‘ข๐‘บโ€ˆ๐‘žโ€ˆ"๐‘๐‘ฎ๐‘ง๐‘Ÿ๐‘ฆ๐‘›๐‘ฉ๐‘ฏ๐‘‘๐‘•โ€ˆ๐‘ฆ๐‘™๐‘œ๐‘ค๐‘ฆ๐‘–"โ€ˆ๐‘ฃ๐‘จ๐‘Ÿโ€ˆ๐‘ฃ๐‘จ๐‘›โ€ˆ๐‘ฉโ€ˆ๐‘š๐‘ฎ๐‘ท๐‘›๐‘ผโ€ˆ๐‘ฆ๐‘ฅ๐‘๐‘จ๐‘’๐‘‘โ€ˆ๐‘ช๐‘ฏโ€ˆยท๐‘ฟยท๐‘•.โ€ˆ๐‘จ๐‘’๐‘•๐‘ง๐‘ฏ๐‘‘๐‘•โ€ˆ๐‘ฆ๐‘ฏโ€ˆ๐‘žโ€ˆ๐‘๐‘ญ๐‘•๐‘‘?

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> On 25 Nov. 2016, at 11:04 am, david@... [shawalphabet] <shawalphabet@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
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> Anyone who has watched any of the many video clips on television during the recent campaign of the now president-elect Donald Trump speaking will perhaps have noticed his frequent use of the phrase
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> or some variant thereof, whereby the first sound of the last word is subject to something I believe may be referred to as 'palatalization'. That is, when initial h followed by u--I don't know of any other occurrences--becomes instead (due to the raising of the tongue towards the top of the mouth) 'yoo', or in IPA terms, /ju/. I first heard this usage many years ago in a very popular television series called 'Cosmos' in which the astronomer Carl Sagan spoke of the plight of
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> At the time I thought that I either had heard incorrectly, had misunderstood, had been subjected to a word I wasn't aware of, or that the speaker had a speech defect. The answer is much simplerโ€”that Carl Sagan is from Brooklyn (and Donald Trump is from, I believe, Queens) and that this is just another dialect variation that occurs in New York or parts therein.
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> This is a usage I dare suggest is alien to the greater part of the American population, and there are interesting aspects that follow: the first is that unlike many other countries of the world the speech patterns of the most important cultural capital (in the United States that is, but also a city of significance to the world at large as well) is not mimicked or even much liked by the majority of the country's inhabitants. This is a viewpoint built upon personal experience but I suspect it holds true. The fact that there are commercial services readily available that offer to 'correct' one's New York accent tells us something.
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From: david@...
Date: 2016-12-04 17:22:11 #
Subject: Re: [shawalphabet] Future trends?

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๐‘ž๐‘จ๐‘‘ ๐‘ข๐‘ญ๐‘Ÿ ๐‘ฎ๐‘ฐ๐‘ค๐‘ฆ ๐‘“๐‘ณ๐‘ฏ๐‘ฆ.

๐‘จ๐‘ฏ๐‘› ๐‘ฆ๐‘‘ ๐‘ข๐‘ซ๐‘› ๐‘•๐‘ฐ๐‘ฅ ๐‘ž๐‘จ๐‘‘ Bernie Sanders ๐‘•๐‘๐‘ฐ๐‘ค๐‘• ๐‘ž๐‘ฉ ๐‘•๐‘ฑ๐‘ฅ ๐‘ข๐‘ฑ.

From: david@...
Date: 2016-12-04 21:09:23 #
Subject: Re: Future trends?

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Evan Gallagher writes:

> ๐‘ฟโ€ˆ๐‘ฎ๐‘ฑ๐‘Ÿโ€ˆ๐‘ฉ๐‘ฏโ€ˆ๐‘ฆ๐‘ฏ๐‘‘๐‘ผ๐‘ง๐‘•๐‘‘๐‘ฆ๐‘™โ€ˆ๐‘’๐‘ข๐‘ง๐‘•๐‘—๐‘ฉ๐‘ฏ, ยท๐‘›๐‘–.โ€ˆ


First of all, how are you able to write and send messages in the Shavian alphabet on your iPhone?

I can't even figure out how to write in Shavian in my nice new MacBook except by the tiresome cut-and-paste method, and am obliged to use an old iMac for that purpose.


> ๐‘›๐‘ณ๐‘Ÿ โ€ˆ๐‘ง๐‘ฏ๐‘ฆ๐‘ข๐‘ณ๐‘ฏโ€ˆ ๐‘ฏ๐‘ดโ€ˆ ๐‘ง๐‘ฏ๐‘ฆโ€ˆ ๐‘ฆ๐‘œ๐‘Ÿ๐‘ญ๐‘ฅ๐‘๐‘ฉ๐‘ค๐‘Ÿโ€ˆ ๐‘โ€ˆ ๐‘ข๐‘บโ€ˆ๐‘žโ€ˆ"๐‘๐‘ฎ๐‘ง๐‘Ÿ๐‘ฆ๐‘›๐‘ฉ๐‘ฏ๐‘‘๐‘• โ€ˆ๐‘ฆ๐‘™๐‘œ๐‘ค๐‘ฆ๐‘–"โ€ˆ ๐‘ฃ๐‘จ๐‘Ÿโ€ˆ ๐‘ฃ๐‘จ๐‘› โ€ˆ๐‘ฉ โ€ˆ๐‘š๐‘ฎ๐‘ท๐‘›๐‘ผ โ€ˆ๐‘ฆ๐‘ฅ๐‘๐‘จ๐‘’๐‘‘โ€ˆ ๐‘ช๐‘ฏโ€ˆ ยท๐‘ฟยท๐‘•.โ€ˆ ๐‘จ๐‘’๐‘•๐‘ง๐‘ฏ๐‘‘๐‘• โ€ˆ๐‘ฆ๐‘ฏโ€ˆ ๐‘žโ€ˆ ๐‘๐‘ญ๐‘•๐‘‘?



Maybe. President Eisenhower's family was of Pennsylvania Dutch (= Deutsch) stock that moved to first northeastern Texas and then Kansas where he grew up. There he instinctively seems to have followed Henry Fowler's advice to 'speak as your neighbours do'โ€”at any rate in later life as General and President he spoke with what is generally known as an 'American Midland' accentโ€”more specifically as Northern Midland (an example of Southern Midland is probably that of Al Gore's speech). Characteristic of the northern variety of Midland American is a regularity of delivery, an evenness of tone, and some would say a certain blandnessโ€”especially as compared to the traditional sharper tones of the English spoken in New England or the more relaxed melodies of the South.


The overall impression implied by a composure and delivery such as his was I think one of plain-spoken sincerity and, as well, honesty. This is of course my own interpretation, but apparently it did serve Eisenhower well in his career first as a conciliatory choice as supreme commander in Europe, able to successfully manage relations with Churchill and General Montgomery during the war, both of them volatile personalities, and later to succeed in becoming the first president to be elected, if I'm not mistaken, without having had any prior political experience. His ability to do this and yet appear to be a normal and moreover reassuring person was surely influential at the time, and I suspect did have a lasting impact upon speech norms in the United Statesโ€”not by introducing anything new but by establishing, or perhaps justifying a more everyday, normal, even folksy manner of speech as the new standard. Up until then the dominant voices heard on the radio were from the northeast. His presidency however occurred during the advent of the television age and his calm voice and demeanour on the screen, even when angry, did much to change expectationsโ€”or so it seems to me. At any rate, at some point afterwards and for the last half-century or more, the Midland accent became and remains the standard speech form heard on television all over the country, one that practically all news presenters (called anchors in America) do their best to emulate. Regional and metropolitan accents may remain strong in America, but not on the television news.


And in England, there are certain stories about the supposed influence of the House of Hanover...


ยท๐‘›๐‘–

From: Evan Gallagher <evan@...>
Date: 2016-12-04 21:32:21 #
Subject: Re: [shawalphabet] Re: Future trends?

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๐‘ฒ ๐‘ฟ๐‘Ÿ ๐‘ฉ๐‘ฏ ๐‘จ๐‘ ๐‘’๐‘ท๐‘ค๐‘› ยท๐‘ฟ๐‘ฏ๐‘ฆ๐‘’๐‘ด๐‘› ยท๐‘๐‘จ๐‘› [Unicode Pad], ๐‘ฏ ๐‘ฃ๐‘จ๐‘ ๐‘ฆ๐‘ฏ๐‘๐‘ง๐‘•๐‘‘๐‘ฉ๐‘› ๐‘ฆ๐‘ฏ ๐‘ž ๐‘๐‘ฎ๐‘ด ๐‘๐‘ป๐‘ ๐‘ฉ๐‘ฏ. ๐‘ฆ๐‘‘ ๐‘ฉ๐‘ค๐‘ฌ๐‘Ÿ ๐‘ฟ ๐‘‘ ๐‘•๐‘ง๐‘‘ ๐‘ณ๐‘ ๐‘’๐‘ณ๐‘•๐‘‘๐‘ฉ๐‘ฅ๐‘ฒ๐‘Ÿ๐‘› ๐‘’๐‘ฐ๐‘š๐‘น๐‘›๐‘Ÿ, ๐‘ข๐‘ฆ๐‘ž๐‘ฌ๐‘‘ ๐‘ก๐‘ฑ๐‘ค๐‘š๐‘ฎ๐‘ฑ๐‘’๐‘ฆ๐‘™ ๐‘˜๐‘น ๐‘ฒ๐‘“๐‘ด๐‘ฏ. ๐‘’๐‘ข๐‘ฒ๐‘‘ ๐‘œ๐‘ซ๐‘› ๐‘“ ๐‘–๐‘ฑ๐‘๐‘พ๐‘ฏ!

๐‘ฆ๐‘ฏ๐‘‘๐‘ผ๐‘ง๐‘•๐‘‘๐‘ฆ๐‘™ ๐‘๐‘ถ๐‘ฏ๐‘‘ ๐‘ฉ๐‘š๐‘ฌ๐‘‘ ยท๐‘ฒ๐‘Ÿ๐‘ฉ๐‘ฏ๐‘ฃ๐‘ฌ๐‘ผ. ๐‘ฒ ๐‘œ๐‘จ๐‘ž๐‘ผ ๐‘ž โ€œ๐‘ฆ๐‘•๐‘‘๐‘จ๐‘š๐‘ค๐‘ฆ๐‘–๐‘ฅ๐‘ฉ๐‘ฏ๐‘‘โ€ ยท๐‘ฟยท๐‘• ๐‘จ๐‘’๐‘•๐‘ง๐‘ฏ๐‘‘ ๐‘ฆ๐‘ฏ ๐‘ž ๐‘ป๐‘ค๐‘ฆ 20๐‘” ๐‘•๐‘ง๐‘ฏ๐‘—๐‘ผ๐‘ฆ ๐‘ข๐‘ช๐‘Ÿ ๐‘›๐‘ฆ๐‘•๐‘‘๐‘ฆ๐‘™๐‘’๐‘‘๐‘ค๐‘ฆ ๐‘ฏ๐‘ช๐‘ฏ-๐‘ฎ๐‘ด๐‘‘๐‘ฆ๐‘’, ๐‘ณ๐‘ฏ๐‘›๐‘ผ ๐‘ž ๐‘ฆ๐‘ฏ๐‘“๐‘ค๐‘ต๐‘ฉ๐‘ฏ๐‘• ๐‘ ๐‘๐‘ธ๐‘‘๐‘• ๐‘ ๐‘ž ๐‘ฏ๐‘น๐‘”-๐‘ฐ๐‘•๐‘‘. ๐‘ก๐‘ณ๐‘•๐‘‘ ๐‘ค๐‘ฆ๐‘•๐‘ฉ๐‘ฏ ๐‘‘ ยท๐‘“ยท๐‘›ยท๐‘ฎ. ๐‘š๐‘ฒ ๐‘ž ๐‘‘๐‘ฒ๐‘ฅ ๐‘ ยท๐‘’๐‘ง๐‘ฏ๐‘ฆ๐‘›๐‘ฆ ๐‘ฉ ๐‘ฏ๐‘ช๐‘ฏ-๐‘ฎ๐‘ด๐‘‘๐‘ฆ๐‘’ ๐‘จ๐‘’๐‘•๐‘ง๐‘ฏ๐‘‘ ๐‘ข๐‘ช๐‘Ÿ ๐‘•๐‘ณ๐‘ฅ๐‘”๐‘ฆ๐‘™ ๐‘ฏ๐‘ด๐‘‘๐‘ฆ๐‘•๐‘‘ ๐‘ฏ ๐‘ฎ๐‘ฆ๐‘ฅ๐‘น๐‘’๐‘‘ ๐‘ฉ๐‘๐‘ช๐‘ฏ. ๐‘๐‘ผ๐‘ฃ๐‘จ๐‘๐‘• ยท๐‘ฑ๐‘Ÿ๐‘ฉ๐‘ฏ๐‘ฃ๐‘ฌ๐‘ผ ๐‘ข๐‘ช๐‘Ÿ ๐‘ž ๐‘‘๐‘ป๐‘ฏ๐‘ฆ๐‘™ ๐‘๐‘ถ๐‘ฏ๐‘‘. ๐‘š๐‘ณ๐‘‘ ๐‘จ๐‘• ๐‘ฉ๐‘ฏ ๐‘ช๐‘•๐‘‘๐‘ฎ๐‘ฑ๐‘ค๐‘พ๐‘ฏ ๐‘ž๐‘ฆ๐‘• ๐‘ฆ๐‘Ÿ ๐‘๐‘˜๐‘ซ๐‘ผ ๐‘•๐‘๐‘ง๐‘’๐‘ฟ๐‘ค๐‘ฑ๐‘–๐‘ฉ๐‘ฏ ๐‘ช๐‘ฏ ๐‘ฅ๐‘ฒ ๐‘๐‘ธ๐‘‘.

ยท๐‘ง๐‘๐‘ฉ๐‘ฏ


> On 5 Dec. 2016, at 8:09 am, david@... [shawalphabet] <shawalphabet@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
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> First of all, how are you able to write and send messages in the Shavian alphabet on your iPhone?
> I can't even figure out how to write in Shavian in my nice new MacBook except by the tiresome cut-and-paste method, and am obliged to use an old iMac for that purpose.
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From: "Ph. D." <phil@...>
Date: 2016-12-04 23:50:49 #
Subject: Re: [shawalphabet] Re: Future trends?

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On 12/4/2016 4:09 PM, david@... [shawalphabet] wrote:
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> This is of course my own interpretation, but apparently it did serve
> Eisenhower well in his career first as a conciliatory choice as
> supreme commander in Europe, . . . , and later to succeed in becoming
> the first president to be elected, if I'm not mistaken,without having
> had any prior political experience.

Did U.S. Grant have prior political experience before being elected
president?

--Ph. D.

From: Evan Gallagher <evan@...>
Date: 2016-12-05 01:51:27 #
Subject: Re: [shawalphabet] Re: Future trends?

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๐‘ฒ๐‘โ€ˆ๐‘ฃ๐‘ป๐‘›โ€ˆ๐‘ž๐‘จ๐‘‘โ€ˆยท๐‘ฟ๐‘ค๐‘ฆ๐‘•๐‘ฐ๐‘Ÿโ€ˆยท๐‘•โ€ˆยท๐‘œ๐‘ฎ๐‘จ๐‘ฏ๐‘‘โ€ˆ๐‘ข๐‘ช๐‘Ÿโ€ˆ๐‘ข๐‘ณ๐‘ฏโ€ˆ๐‘โ€ˆ๐‘žโ€ˆ๐‘“๐‘ฟโ€ˆ๐‘๐‘ฎ๐‘ง๐‘Ÿ๐‘ฆ๐‘›๐‘ฉ๐‘ฏ๐‘‘๐‘•โ€ˆ๐‘ฆ๐‘ค๐‘ง๐‘’๐‘‘๐‘ฉ๐‘›โ€ˆ๐‘ข๐‘ฆ๐‘žโ€ˆ๐‘ฏ๐‘ดโ€ˆ๐‘๐‘ฎ๐‘ฒ๐‘ผโ€ˆ๐‘๐‘ฉ๐‘ค๐‘ฆ๐‘‘๐‘ฆ๐‘’๐‘ฉ๐‘คโ€ˆ๐‘ฆ๐‘’๐‘•๐‘๐‘ฝ๐‘พ๐‘ฏ๐‘•.โ€ˆ๐‘š๐‘ณ๐‘‘โ€ˆ๐‘ฒ๐‘ฅโ€ˆ๐‘–๐‘ซ๐‘ผโ€ˆ๐‘ž๐‘จ๐‘‘โ€ˆ๐‘š๐‘ฐ๐‘ฆ๐‘™โ€ˆ๐‘ฉโ€ˆ๐‘•๐‘ฆ๐‘๐‘ฉ๐‘คโ€ˆ๐‘ข๐‘นโ€ˆ๐‘ก๐‘ง๐‘ฏ๐‘ฎ๐‘ฉ๐‘คโ€ˆ๐‘ฅ๐‘ณ๐‘•๐‘‘โ€ˆ๐‘ฃ๐‘จ๐‘โ€ˆ๐‘œ๐‘ฆ๐‘๐‘ฉ๐‘ฏโ€ˆ๐‘ฃ๐‘ฆ๐‘ฅโ€ˆ๐‘ฉโ€ˆ๐‘“๐‘บโ€ˆ๐‘ฉ๐‘ฅ๐‘ฌ๐‘ฏ๐‘‘โ€ˆ๐‘โ€ˆ๐‘๐‘ฉ๐‘ค๐‘ฆ๐‘‘๐‘ฆ๐‘’๐‘ฉ๐‘คโ€ˆ๐‘ฆ๐‘’๐‘•๐‘๐‘ด๐‘ ๐‘ผยท

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> On 5 Dec. 2016, at 10:50 am, 'Ph. D.' phil@phillipdriscoll.com [shawalphabet] <shawalphabet@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
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> Did U.S. Grant have prior political experience before being elected president?
>
> --Ph. D.

From: Nathan Sharfi <mailinglists@...>
Date: 2016-12-05 18:57:40 #
Subject: Re: [shawalphabet] Future trends?

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๐‘ด๐‘ฏ๐‘ค๐‘ฆ ๐‘ฆ๐‘ฏ ๐‘ฅ๐‘ด๐‘’๐‘ผ๐‘ฆ (โ€œ๐‘ฏ๐‘ต๐‘’๐‘ฟ๐‘ค๐‘ผโ€, โ€œ๐‘ฅ๐‘ฆ๐‘•๐‘ฉ๐‘ฏ๐‘›๐‘ผ๐‘ง๐‘•๐‘‘๐‘ฆ๐‘ฅ๐‘บ๐‘‘๐‘›โ€).

> On Nov 24, 2016, at 6:43 PM, Evan Gallagher evan@silentg.org [shawalphabet] <shawalphabet@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
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> ๐‘ฟโ€ˆ๐‘ฎ๐‘ฑ๐‘Ÿโ€ˆ๐‘ฉ๐‘ฏโ€ˆ๐‘ฆ๐‘ฏ๐‘‘๐‘ผ๐‘ง๐‘•๐‘‘๐‘ฆ๐‘™โ€ˆ๐‘’๐‘ข๐‘ง๐‘•๐‘—๐‘ฉ๐‘ฏ, ยท๐‘›๐‘–.โ€ˆ๐‘›๐‘ณ๐‘Ÿโ€ˆ๐‘ง๐‘ฏ๐‘ฆ๐‘ข๐‘ณ๐‘ฏโ€ˆ๐‘ฏ๐‘ดโ€ˆ๐‘ง๐‘ฏ๐‘ฆโ€ˆ๐‘ฆ๐‘œ๐‘Ÿ๐‘ญ๐‘ฅ๐‘๐‘ฉ๐‘ค๐‘Ÿโ€ˆ๐‘โ€ˆ๐‘ข๐‘บโ€ˆ๐‘žโ€ˆ"๐‘๐‘ฎ๐‘ง๐‘Ÿ๐‘ฆ๐‘›๐‘ฉ๐‘ฏ๐‘‘๐‘•โ€ˆ๐‘ฆ๐‘™๐‘œ๐‘ค๐‘ฆ๐‘–"โ€ˆ๐‘ฃ๐‘จ๐‘Ÿโ€ˆ๐‘ฃ๐‘จ๐‘›โ€ˆ๐‘ฉโ€ˆ๐‘š๐‘ฎ๐‘ท๐‘›๐‘ผโ€ˆ๐‘ฆ๐‘ฅ๐‘๐‘จ๐‘’๐‘‘โ€ˆ๐‘ช๐‘ฏโ€ˆยท๐‘ฟยท๐‘•.โ€ˆ๐‘จ๐‘’๐‘•๐‘ง๐‘ฏ๐‘‘๐‘•โ€ˆ๐‘ฆ๐‘ฏโ€ˆ๐‘žโ€ˆ๐‘๐‘ญ๐‘•๐‘‘?
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> ยท๐‘ง๐‘๐‘ฉ๐‘ฏ
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From: Nathan Sharfi <mailinglists@...>
Date: 2016-12-05 20:06:15 #
Subject: Re: [shawalphabet] Future trends?

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Seems like weโ€™ve been down this road before. If you can provide me with an image of what your preferred Shavian key layout would be, I can recreate it in Ukulele as a .keylayout that should work in just about any recent-ish Mac (going back to Yosemite, at least). This neednโ€™t be complicated: you could print out a few copies of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keyboard_layout#/media/File:ANSI_Keyboard_Layout_Diagram_with_Form_Factor.svg <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keyboard_layout#/media/File:ANSI_Keyboard_Layout_Diagram_with_Form_Factor.svg> , write letters on the keys, and then take pictures of the written-on keyboards and then e-mail them to me.

Youโ€™re keeping the group alive; itโ€™d be a shame if you were bottlenecked for lack of a good keyboard layout.

> On Dec 4, 2016, at 1:09 PM, david@... [shawalphabet] <shawalphabet@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
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> Evan Gallagher writes:
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> > ๐‘ฟโ€ˆ๐‘ฎ๐‘ฑ๐‘Ÿโ€ˆ๐‘ฉ๐‘ฏโ€ˆ๐‘ฆ๐‘ฏ๐‘‘๐‘ผ๐‘ง๐‘•๐‘‘๐‘ฆ๐‘™โ€ˆ๐‘’๐‘ข๐‘ง๐‘•๐‘—๐‘ฉ๐‘ฏ, ยท๐‘›๐‘–.โ€ˆ
>
> First of all, how are you able to write and send messages in the Shavian alphabet on your iPhone?
> I can't even figure out how to write in Shavian in my nice new MacBook except by the tiresome cut-and-paste method, and am obliged to use an old iMac for that purpose.
>

From: Evan Gallagher <evan@...>
Date: 2016-12-05 20:34:40 #
Subject: Re: [shawalphabet] Future trends?

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๐‘•๐‘๐‘ฐ๐‘’๐‘ฆ๐‘™ ๐‘ ๐‘’๐‘ฐ๐‘š๐‘น๐‘› ๐‘ค๐‘ฑ๐‘ฌ๐‘‘๐‘•, ๐‘ž๐‘บ๐‘Ÿ ๐‘ฉ๐‘ฏ ๐‘ฆ๐‘ฏ๐‘‘๐‘ผ๐‘ง๐‘•๐‘‘๐‘ฆ๐‘™ ๐‘ฆ๐‘œ๐‘Ÿ๐‘ญ๐‘ฅ๐‘๐‘ฉ๐‘ค, ๐‘๐‘ฎ๐‘ช๐‘š๐‘ฉ๐‘š๐‘ค๐‘ฆ ๐‘ข๐‘ฉ๐‘ค-๐‘ฏ๐‘ด๐‘ฏ ๐‘‘ ๐‘ฅ๐‘ง๐‘ฏ๐‘ฆ ๐‘ ๐‘ฟ ๐‘ท๐‘ค๐‘ฎ๐‘ง๐‘›๐‘ฆ, ๐‘จ๐‘‘ http://oztypewriter.blogspot.com.au/2014/04/history-of-shavian-keyboard-imperial.html <http://oztypewriter.blogspot.com.au/2014/04/history-of-shavian-keyboard-imperial.html>. ๐‘ฆ๐‘“ ๐‘ฒ ๐‘ณ๐‘ฏ๐‘›๐‘ผ๐‘•๐‘‘๐‘จ๐‘ฏ๐‘› ๐‘’๐‘ผ๐‘ง๐‘’๐‘‘๐‘ค๐‘ฆ, ยท๐‘’๐‘ฆ๐‘™๐‘Ÿ๐‘ค๐‘ฆ ยท๐‘ฎ๐‘ฐ๐‘› ๐‘ฟ๐‘Ÿ๐‘› ๐‘ฉ ๐‘–๐‘ฑ๐‘๐‘พ๐‘ฏ ๐‘’๐‘ฐ๐‘š๐‘น๐‘› ยท๐‘ฆ๐‘ฅ๐‘๐‘ฝ๐‘พ๐‘ค ยท๐‘œ๐‘ซ๐‘› ยท๐‘’๐‘ฉ๐‘ฅ๐‘๐‘จ๐‘ฏ๐‘พ๐‘ฏ ๐‘๐‘น๐‘‘๐‘ฉ๐‘š๐‘ฉ๐‘ค ๐‘‘๐‘ฒ๐‘๐‘ฎ๐‘ฒ๐‘‘๐‘ผ ๐‘‘ ๐‘๐‘ฎ๐‘ฉ๐‘›๐‘ฟ๐‘• ๐‘ฃ๐‘ฆ๐‘Ÿ ยท๐‘–๐‘ท-๐‘•๐‘’๐‘ฎ๐‘ฉ๐‘๐‘‘ ๐‘ฏ๐‘ฟ๐‘Ÿ๐‘ค๐‘ง๐‘‘๐‘ผ๐‘Ÿ. ๐‘ฒ ๐‘ฟ๐‘Ÿ ๐‘ฉ ๐‘ค๐‘ฑ๐‘ฌ๐‘‘ ๐‘š๐‘ฑ๐‘•๐‘‘ ๐‘ช๐‘ฏ ๐‘ž๐‘ฆ๐‘• ๐‘ฅ๐‘ฒ๐‘•๐‘ง๐‘ค๐‘“, ๐‘๐‘ง๐‘ฏ๐‘›๐‘ฆ๐‘™ ๐‘ง๐‘ฏ๐‘ฆ๐‘”๐‘ฆ๐‘™ ๐‘š๐‘ง๐‘‘๐‘ผ, ๐‘ฏ ๐‘ฆ๐‘‘ ๐‘•๐‘ฐ๐‘ฅ๐‘Ÿ ๐‘‘ ๐‘ข๐‘ป๐‘’ ๐‘’๐‘ข๐‘ฒ๐‘‘ ๐‘ข๐‘ฉ๐‘ค ๐‘ข๐‘ฆ๐‘ž ๐‘•๐‘ณ๐‘ฅ ๐‘’๐‘ฉ๐‘ฏ๐‘๐‘ฐ๐‘ฏ๐‘พ๐‘ฏ๐‘‘ ๐‘’๐‘ฐ ๐‘’๐‘ช๐‘ฅ๐‘š๐‘ฆ๐‘ฏ๐‘ฑ๐‘–๐‘ฉ๐‘ฏ๐‘Ÿ.

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> On 6 Dec. 2016, at 7:06 am, Nathan Sharfi mailinglists@ngalt.com [shawalphabet] <shawalphabet@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
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>
>
> Seems like weโ€™ve been down this road before. If you can provide me with an image of what your preferred Shavian key layout would be, I can recreate it in Ukulele as a .keylayout that should work in just about any recent-ish Mac (going back to Yosemite, at least). This neednโ€™t be complicated: you could print out a few copies of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keyboard_layout#/media/File:ANSI_Keyboard_Layout_Diagram_with_Form_Factor.svg <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keyboard_layout#/media/File:ANSI_Keyboard_Layout_Diagram_with_Form_Factor.svg> , write letters on the keys, and then take pictures of the written-on keyboards and then e-mail them to me.

From: evan@...
Date: 2016-12-12 08:02:17 #
Subject: ๐‘–๐‘ฑ๐‘๐‘พ๐‘ฏ ๐‘ช ๐‘ฏ ยท๐‘‘๐‘ข๐‘ฆ๐‘‘๐‘ผ

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๐‘ฃ๐‘ฒ ๐‘ท๐‘ค


๐‘ก๐‘ณ๐‘•๐‘‘ ๐‘“ ๐‘“๐‘ณ๐‘ฏ, ๐‘ฏ ๐‘จ๐‘Ÿ ๐‘ฉ๐‘ฏ ๐‘ฆ๐‘’๐‘•๐‘๐‘ง๐‘ฎ๐‘ฆ๐‘ฅ๐‘ฉ๐‘ฏ๐‘‘ ๐‘‘ ๐‘•๐‘ฐ ๐‘ฃ๐‘ฌ ยท๐‘‘๐‘ข๐‘ฆ๐‘‘๐‘ผ ๐‘’๐‘ด๐‘๐‘•, ๐‘ฒ๐‘ ๐‘•๐‘ง๐‘‘ ๐‘ณ๐‘ ๐‘ฉ ยท๐‘‘๐‘ข๐‘ฆ๐‘‘๐‘ผ ๐‘ฉ๐‘’๐‘ฌ๐‘ฏ๐‘‘ ๐‘‘ ๐‘•๐‘ง๐‘ฏ๐‘› ๐‘ฌ๐‘‘ ๐‘ž ๐‘ฉ๐‘’๐‘ฑ๐‘ ๐‘ฉ๐‘ฏ๐‘ฉ๐‘ค ๐‘‘๐‘ข๐‘ฐ๐‘‘ ๐‘ฆ๐‘ฏ ๐‘–๐‘ฑ๐‘๐‘พ๐‘ฏ: @shawalphabet.


๐‘š๐‘ณ๐‘‘ ๐‘ ๐‘’๐‘น๐‘•, ๐‘ฉ๐‘ฏ ๐‘จ๐‘ค๐‘“๐‘ฉ๐‘š๐‘ง๐‘‘ ๐‘ฉ๐‘ค๐‘ด๐‘ฏ ๐‘ฆ๐‘Ÿ ๐‘ฏ๐‘ช๐‘‘ ๐‘ฆ๐‘ฏ๐‘ณ๐‘“ ๐‘“ ๐‘ฎ๐‘ฒ๐‘‘๐‘ฆ๐‘™; ๐‘ข๐‘ณ๐‘ฏ ๐‘ฅ๐‘ณ๐‘•๐‘‘ ๐‘ฃ๐‘จ๐‘ ๐‘•๐‘ณ๐‘ฅ๐‘”๐‘ฆ๐‘™ ๐‘‘ ๐‘ฎ๐‘ฒ๐‘‘ ๐‘ฉ๐‘š๐‘ฌ๐‘‘. ๐‘ฒ ๐‘ž๐‘บ๐‘“๐‘น ๐‘๐‘ค๐‘จ๐‘ฏ ๐‘‘ ๐‘“๐‘ด๐‘’๐‘ฉ๐‘• ๐‘ช๐‘ฏ ๐‘ค๐‘จ๐‘™๐‘œ๐‘ข๐‘ฆ๐‘ก ๐‘ฏ ๐‘ฎ๐‘ฒ๐‘‘๐‘ฆ๐‘™ ๐‘•๐‘ฆ๐‘•๐‘‘๐‘ฉ๐‘ฅ๐‘Ÿ (๐‘ฏ๐‘ช๐‘‘ ๐‘ก๐‘ณ๐‘•๐‘‘ ๐‘–๐‘ฑ๐‘๐‘พ๐‘ฏ), ๐‘•๐‘๐‘ง๐‘ค๐‘ฆ๐‘™ ๐‘ฎ๐‘ฆ๐‘“๐‘น๐‘ฅ, ๐‘ฏ ๐‘•๐‘ฏ๐‘ฆ๐‘๐‘ฆ๐‘‘๐‘• ๐‘ ๐‘ฎ๐‘ฒ๐‘‘๐‘ฆ๐‘™ ๐‘ฏ ๐‘๐‘ด๐‘ฉ๐‘‘๐‘ฎ๐‘ฆ ๐‘ž๐‘จ๐‘‘ ๐‘ค๐‘ง๐‘ฏ๐‘› ๐‘ž๐‘ง๐‘ฅ๐‘•๐‘ง๐‘ค๐‘๐‘Ÿ ๐‘‘ ๐‘‘๐‘ฎ๐‘จ๐‘ฏ๐‘Ÿ๐‘ค๐‘ฆ๐‘‘๐‘ผ๐‘ฑ๐‘–๐‘ฉ๐‘ฏ.


๐‘•๐‘ง๐‘๐‘ฎ๐‘ฉ๐‘‘๐‘ค๐‘ฆ, ๐‘ฒ ๐‘จ๐‘ฅ ๐‘ข๐‘ป๐‘’๐‘ฆ๐‘™ ๐‘ช๐‘ฏ ๐‘•๐‘ณ๐‘ฅ ๐‘ณ๐‘ž๐‘ผ ๐‘ค๐‘ธ๐‘ก๐‘ผ ๐‘‘๐‘ฎ๐‘จ๐‘ฏ๐‘Ÿ๐‘ค๐‘ฆ๐‘‘๐‘ผ๐‘ฑ๐‘–๐‘ฉ๐‘ฏ๐‘Ÿ ๐‘ฏ ๐‘ฅ๐‘ฑ ๐‘›๐‘ฎ๐‘ท ๐‘ฉ๐‘’๐‘ฑ๐‘ ๐‘ฉ๐‘ฏ๐‘ฉ๐‘ค ๐‘ฆ๐‘ฏ๐‘•๐‘๐‘ฆ๐‘ฎ๐‘ฑ๐‘–๐‘ฉ๐‘ฏ ๐‘“๐‘ฎ๐‘ช๐‘ฅ ๐‘ž๐‘ฐ๐‘Ÿ ๐‘‘ ๐‘‘๐‘ข๐‘ฐ๐‘‘ ๐‘ฉ "๐‘ข๐‘ป๐‘› ๐‘ ๐‘ž ๐‘›๐‘ฑ" ๐‘น ๐‘ž ๐‘ค๐‘ฒ๐‘’.


๐‘ฆ๐‘“ ๐‘œ๐‘ง๐‘‘๐‘ฆ๐‘™ ๐‘ž ๐‘ฉ๐‘’๐‘ฑ๐‘ ๐‘ฉ๐‘ฏ๐‘ฉ๐‘ค ๐‘‘๐‘ข๐‘ฐ๐‘‘ ๐‘ฆ๐‘ฏ ๐‘–๐‘ฑ๐‘๐‘พ๐‘ฏ ๐‘ฉ๐‘๐‘ฐ๐‘ค๐‘Ÿ, ๐‘“๐‘ฐ๐‘ค ๐‘“๐‘ฎ๐‘ฐ ๐‘‘ ๐‘“๐‘ช๐‘ค๐‘ด @shawalphabet.


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