Shawalphabet YahooGroup Archive Browser

From: david@...
Date: 2016-03-02 18:15:09 #
Subject: Wot?

Toggle Shavian
http://www.bbc.com/travel/story/20160209-learn-how-to-speak-like-a-true-brit http://www.bbc.com/travel/story/20160209-learn-how-to-speak-like-a-true-brit

From: david@...
Date: 2016-04-24 01:24:03 #
Subject: Shavian Typewriter

Toggle Shavian
Interesting article with pictures of the Shavian Alphabet typewriter:


http://oztypewriter.blogspot.se/2014/04/history-of-shavian-keyboard-imperial.html http://oztypewriter.blogspot.se/2014/04/history-of-shavian-keyboard-imperial.html

From: david@...
Date: 2016-05-23 18:24:13 #
Subject: Northern (English)

Toggle Shavian
I’ve got a northern accent but I’m not working-class. So what am I? | Rebecca Hardy http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/may/23/northern-accent-working-class-middle-class-northerner-barm-cake-john-lewis?utm_source=esp&utm_medium=Email&utm_campaign=The+Best+of+CiF+base&utm_term3695&subid414834&CMP=ema_1364



http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/may/23/northern-accent-working-class-middle-class-northerner-barm-cake-john-lewis?utm_source=esp&utm_medium=Email&utm_campaign=The+Best+of+CiF+base&utm_term3695&subid414834&CMP=ema_1364

I’ve got a northern accent but I’m not working-class. So... http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/may/23/northern-accent-working-class-middle-class-northerner-barm-cake-john-lewis?utm_source=esp&utm_medium=Email&utm_campaign=The+Best+of+CiF+base&utm_term3695&subid414834&CMP=ema_1364 Believe it or not, Andy Burnham, there are loads of us walking around with a barm cake in our John Lewis bag



View on www.theguardian.com http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/may/23/northern-accent-working-class-middle-class-northerner-barm-cake-john-lewis?utm_source=esp&utm_medium=Email&utm_campaign=The+Best+of+CiF+base&utm_term3695&subid414834&CMP=ema_1364
Preview by Yahoo






No 'claass' or 'paath' here please, nor 'laafter' eether, thank you.

From: david@...
Date: 2016-06-22 19:31:12 #
Subject: Summertime

Toggle Shavian
𐑥𐑦𐑛𐑕𐑳𐑥𐑩𐑮 𐑩𐑜𐑱𐑯.


𐑚𐑤𐑨𐑒𐑚𐑳𐑮𐑛 𐑥𐑧𐑤𐑩𐑛𐑰𐑟 𐑑𐑧𐑥𐑑 𐑳𐑕 𐑢𐑦𐑞


𐑤𐑲𐑓 𐑨𐑟 𐑦𐑑 𐑖𐑫𐑛 𐑚𐑰.




Ella Fitzgerald and Louis Armstrong - Summertime https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MIDOEsQL7lA



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MIDOEsQL7lA

Ella Fitzgerald and Louis Armstrong - Summertime https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MIDOEsQL7lA Ella Fitzgerald and Louis Armstrong - Summertime. The best version, I guess.



View on www.youtube.com https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MIDOEsQL7lA
Preview by Yahoo

From: david@...
Date: 2016-07-11 13:54:04 #
Subject: grammarly

Toggle Shavian
𐑩 𐑥𐑧𐑕𐑦𐑡 𐑓𐑮𐑳𐑥 grammarly.com/blog




"𐑲 𐑘𐑵𐑟 𐑕𐑧𐑥𐑦𐑒𐑴𐑤𐑩𐑯𐑟;


𐑞𐑱 𐑥𐑨𐑒 𐑥𐑰 𐑓𐑰𐑩𐑤 𐑕𐑥𐑭𐑮𐑑."




Don't laugh—it might work;
or then again—perhaps not.



—·𐑛𐑖

From: david@...
Date: 2016-08-25 11:48:07 #
Subject: Seasonal Slippage

Toggle Shavian
𐑚𐑳𐑤𐑚𐑩𐑕 𐑒𐑤𐑬𐑛𐑟 𐑐𐑪𐑐 𐑳𐑐—


𐑞𐑧𐑯 𐑤𐑱𐑑𐑩𐑮: 𐑒𐑵𐑤 𐑢𐑦𐑯𐑛𐑟, 𐑢𐑧𐑑 𐑯𐑲𐑑𐑕.



𐑑𐑮𐑨𐑯𐑕𐑦𐑩𐑯𐑑 𐑕𐑳𐑥𐑩𐑮.

From: david@...
Date: 2016-09-26 16:07:23 #
Subject: Lucy's Lullaby and the origin? of language

Toggle Shavian
According to an article on the importance of (perhaps the origin of) language for the development of homo sapiens; or alternatively, language as the origin (defining factor?) of our species:


𐑞𐑨𐑮 𐑭𐑮 𐑩𐑚𐑬𐑑 600 𐑒𐑪𐑯𐑕𐑩𐑯𐑩𐑯𐑑𐑕 𐑨𐑯𐑛 400 𐑝𐑬𐑩𐑤𐑟, 𐑑𐑩𐑜𐑧𐑞𐑩𐑮 𐑒𐑷𐑤𐑛 𐑓𐑴𐑯𐑰𐑥𐑟, 𐑦𐑯 𐑘𐑵𐑕 𐑩𐑮𐑬𐑯𐑛 𐑞𐑩 𐑢𐑳𐑮𐑤𐑛. 𐑰𐑗 𐑕𐑐𐑰𐑗 𐑕𐑦𐑕𐑑𐑩𐑥 𐑷𐑮 𐑒𐑩𐑥𐑘𐑵𐑯𐑩𐑑𐑦 𐑞𐑴 𐑘𐑵𐑟𐑩𐑟 𐑴𐑯𐑤𐑦 𐑩 𐑥𐑳𐑗 𐑕𐑥𐑷𐑤𐑩𐑮, 𐑐𐑩𐑮𐑑𐑦𐑒𐑘𐑵𐑤𐑩𐑮 𐑕𐑧𐑑 (𐑘𐑵𐑠𐑩𐑢𐑩𐑤𐑦 𐑤𐑧𐑕 𐑞𐑨𐑯 𐑓𐑦𐑓𐑑𐑦). 𐑦𐑯𐑜𐑤𐑦𐑖 𐑦𐑥𐑐𐑤𐑶𐑟 𐑩𐑮𐑬𐑯𐑛 𐑓𐑷𐑮𐑑𐑦 — 𐑥𐑴𐑮 𐑦𐑯 𐑕𐑳𐑥 𐑛𐑲𐑩𐑤𐑧𐑒𐑑𐑕, 𐑤𐑧𐑕 𐑦𐑯 𐑳𐑞𐑩𐑮𐑟.


(𐑦𐑥𐑨𐑡𐑩𐑯! — 𐑩 𐑞𐑬𐑟𐑩𐑯𐑛, 𐑕𐑤𐑲𐑑𐑤𐑦 𐑛𐑦𐑓𐑩𐑮𐑩𐑯𐑑, 𐑓𐑴𐑯𐑰𐑥𐑟 𐑑𐑵 𐑗𐑵𐑟 𐑓𐑮𐑳𐑥)



How many do you use? This is a decision one makes consciously or not when writing with a contrived alphabet.






Lucy’s Lullaby: How losing our grip 3 million years ago may have set us on the path to language https://fionamcmillan.com/2016/03/30/lucys-lullaby/

From: david@...
Date: 2016-10-28 14:59:30 #
Subject: Another New Alphabet

Toggle Shavian
A New Alphabet


The Shavian alphabet was devised at a time, in the middle of the last century,
when legible handwriting was still assumed to be a necessary requirement for
modern life and thus an important ingredient in early education—before
computers, in other words. Shaw had insisted that a completely new alphabet
was needed, one not based upon the traditional Roman one but with newly
designed, attractive letters—a requirement that Kingsley Read, its creator,
I think took to mean easily formed, easy to write letters. This ambition may
or may not have been entirely succesful in everyone's eyes, but one feature
of note is that each individual letter can be written in a single stroke (without
lifting the pen), thus simplifying and speeding up the process of writing. That
appears to me at any rate to have been his goal, something meant to be both
appealing and efficient.


In an age of computers however, does one need to be able to write by hand at
all, other than one's signature? It was only a matter of time until someone
would invent a new alphabet, based upon sound-designation principles similar
to those of Read's alphabet but one more concerned with visual clarity on a
computer screen than ease of writing by hand. Indeed, it is doubtful one would
ever need to write this alphabet by hand, or want to.


Such an alphabet is Unspell, an invention of Dimitry Orlov, and you may see
and judge for yourself at http://unspell.blogspot.se/p/home.html http://unspell.blogspot.se/p/home.html


It has several interesting features, one being that the principal vowel of a word
is lengthened, and the eye, with a little practice, immediately seeks out this key
element so that at once the word's basic structure is revealed, even perhaps its
meaning suggested. I wonder if the Chinese do something similar when they
read their script, that is, look first for some main feature that everything else
follows. And because the principal, stressed vowel(s) is/are made evident, other
vowels need not be so that there is no need for a specific letter to represent an
a vague or obscure vowel: thus no need for the special letter schwa (a). Often
in Shavian words every other vowel can be the schwa because unstressed, even
though in reality there is always some oral resemblance to the mother vowel.


Well, something to think about (enclosed are two tables, which I suppose will
be put in the image files, of this alphabet's half-dozen basic shapes and their
several modifying supplements, and a pronunciation key—look for Unspell).


/dS



test test

From: david@...
Date: 2016-11-25 00:04:05 #
Subject: Future trends?

Toggle Shavian
Anyone who has watched any of the many video clips on television during the recent campaign of the now president-elect Donald Trump speaking will perhaps have noticed his frequent use of the phrase


"𐑦𐑑𐑕 𐑜𐑴𐑯𐑩 𐑚𐑰 𐑿𐑡!"


or some variant thereof, whereby the first sound of the last word is subject to something I believe may be referred to as 'palatalization'. That is, when initial h followed by u--I don't know of any other occurrences--becomes instead (due to the raising of the tongue towards the top of the mouth) 'yoo', or in IPA terms, /ju/. I first heard this usage many years ago in a very popular television series called 'Cosmos' in which the astronomer Carl Sagan spoke of the plight of


𐑿𐑥𐑩𐑯𐑟 and that of 𐑿𐑥𐑨𐑥𐑩𐑑𐑦.


At the time I thought that I either had heard incorrectly, had misunderstood, had been subjected to a word I wasn't aware of, or that the speaker had a speech defect. The answer is much simpler—that Carl Sagan is from Brooklyn (and Donald Trump is from, I believe, Queens) and that this is just another dialect variation that occurs in New York or parts therein.


This is a usage I dare suggest is alien to the greater part of the American population, and there are interesting aspects that follow: the first is that unlike many other countries of the world the speech patterns of the most important cultural capital (in the United States that is, but also a city of significance to the world at large as well) is not mimicked or even much liked by the majority of the country's inhabitants. This is a viewpoint built upon personal experience but I suspect it holds true. The fact that there are commercial services readily available that offer to 'correct' one's New York accent tells us something.


Now however, someone from New York, the city not the state, has been elected President by overwhelmingly enthusiastic support from primarily, analysis has shown, non-urban areas of the United States—the very areas which previously had considered New York City a rather strange transplant from who knows where, and one that could be dispensed with without significant loss of anything truly worthwhile. Consider in comparison the respect shown to and the predominance, culturally and politically, of London and Paris in their respective countries.


The second aspect is that of speech. Will this ready acceptance of the nation's leader for the next four years from a particular dialectal zone be reflected in speech change anywhere else? Will the pronunciation


𐑿𐑡!


become at first a jocular imitation, maybe an acceptable variant, perhaps later a normal usage in those areas of the country which had given its instigator its greatest support? Not likely, but something like this may well have happened before—otherwise why have dialects diverged? Speech follows fashion just like so much else. Well, we shall see.


·𐑛𐑖 —


𐑑𐑧𐑕𐑑 𐑑𐑧𐑕𐑑 𐑑𐑧𐑕𐑑

From: Sergei Pokrovsky <sergio.pokrovskij@...>
Date: 2016-11-25 02:11:23 #
Subject: Re: [shawalphabet] Future trends?

Toggle Shavian
>>>>> "𐑛𐑖" == david sheppard writes:

𐑛𐑖> Anyone who has watched any of the many video clips on
𐑛𐑖> television during the recent campaign of the now
𐑛𐑖> president-elect Donald Trump speaking will perhaps have
𐑛𐑖> noticed his frequent use of the phrase


𐑛𐑖> "𐑦𐑑𐑕 𐑜𐑴𐑯𐑩 𐑚𐑰 𐑿𐑡!"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?vîA33bAXyNM


𐑛𐑖> or some variant thereof, whereby the first sound of the last word is
𐑛𐑖> subject to something I believe may be referred to as 'palatalization'.
𐑛𐑖> That is, when initial h followed by u--I don't know of any other
𐑛𐑖> occurrences--becomes instead (due to the raising of the tongue towards
𐑛𐑖> the top of the mouth) 'yoo', or in IPA terms, /ju/.

Looks like he also says "yuman" instead of "human."

...

--
Sergei