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On Tue, 11 Jan 2005 16:30:36 -0000, paul vandenbrink
<pvandenbrink@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Hugh
>
> I happened to notice that some of our Shavian Links on the
> Home page are a bit out of date.

Please address proposed changes to the shavian.org web page to me,
since I'm in a better position to make such changes. (I'm not sure
whether Hugh has any access to the website HTML pages right now.)

> In fact the sites of Garry Shannon,
> Simon Barnes and Lionel Ghoti no longer exist.

For Garry Shannon and Lionel Ghoti, this was noted in a comment
afterwards. For Simon, I've hidden the link now since the domain
itself now resolves to a domain parking company, apparently. Should I
hide the links for Shannon and Ghoti as well? (I'm a bit loth to
actually delete them from the page's source code entirely, for
historical/nostalgical reasons, and because they might possibly be
handy for someone, e.g. with the help of archive.org.)

> Also the link
> marked "Shavian in Unicode Standard" needs to be pointed to
> an existing location.

Ah, that page has gone away now? Now changed to point to the PDF
describing the current allocation.

> But instead of just turfing out these old links, perhaps people
> can suggest additional links, pertinent to other like minded
> individuals, who wished to learn the Shavian Alphabet.

Yes, please.

> Personally, I like www.omniglot.com as it has good discussion of not
> just Shavian, but also what an Alphabet is. It is an amazing site for
> people interested in Alphabets and other writing systems.

I've linked there.

> Also there is
> http://victorian.fortunecity.com/vangogh/555/Spell/shaw-alfa.html
> I don't know who set it up. But there is a lot there.

Indeed. Not only about Shavian but also about other methods of
spelling English. My first thought was that it was Steve Bett since I
thought I recognised the one or other scheme name, but I'm not sure.

> So any other suggestions on good Shaw Alphabet Sites? I quite like
> the idea of www.shavian.org being the entry point or portal to a
> number of Shavian sites.

Indeed; that is what I would like it to be. I wouldn't mind hosting
content there, either, if people would like to contribute it; failing
that, a portal linking to existing web sites is as good as anything.

Any other suggestions for changes, new links, or improvements?

Cheers,
--
Philip Newton <philip.newton@...>
shavian.org webmaster

P.S. There's now a logo at the top right! Kindly contributed by Hugh.

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/shawalphabet/links

Take a look. You might be surprised... :)

Hugh B

> -----Original Message-----
> From: paul vandenbrink [mailto:pvandenbrink@...]
> Sent: 11 January 2005 16:31
> To: shawalphabet@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [shawalphabet] Shavian Links at Shavian.Org
>
>
>
> Hi Hugh
>
> I happened to notice that some of our Shavian Links on the
> Home page are a bit out of date. In fact the sites of Garry Shannon,
> Simon Barnes and Lionel Ghoti no longer exist. Also the link
> marked "Shavian in Unicode Standard" needs to be pointed to
> an existing location.
>
> But instead of just turfing out these old links, perhaps people
> can suggest additional links, pertinent to other like minded
> individuals, who wished to learn the Shavian Alphabet.
>
> Personally, I like www.omniglot.com as it has good discussion of not
> just Shavian, but also what an Alphabet is. It is an amazing site for
> people interested in Alphabets and other writing systems.
>
> Also there is
> http://victorian.fortunecity.com/vangogh/555/Spell/shaw-alfa.html
> I don't know who set it up. But there is a lot there.
> Including a Gerge Bernard Shaw Preface which discussess quite clearly
> the roots of the Shavian Alphabet, and his actual intentions when
> creating the Shavian Alphabet.
> He also had a plan for simplifying English grammar for foreigners
> (Americans?) and the uneducated British lower classes.
>
> So any other suggestions on good Shaw Alphabet Sites? I quite like
> the idea of www.shavian.org being the entry point or portal to a
> number of Shavian sites.
>
> Regards, Paul V.
>
> _________________attached_______________________________
> From: "Hugh Birkenhead" <mixsynth@s...>
> Date: Wed Mar 24, 1999 10:49 am
> Subject: [shavian] Re: Web site?
>
> In response to Lee's response,
>
> Don't forget I made it clear that the individual sites would not have
> to be adandoned. On the contrary, I also believe that having various
> sites of different strengths is a good thing here (for example I
> would not remove my own Shavian site from the web). What I was
> suggesting is that there be a central, focal point where the
> knowledge of ALL the various Shavian fans is brought together, so
> that support can be consolidated;
> this will not REPLACE
> the current sites but will ADD to them. It will do the influence of
> the alphabet a whole heap of good, because newcomers will receive a
> far stronger view of support for the alphabet - far more than the
> separate individual sites give at this moment.
>
> Hugh
>
> P.S. Who else says 'aye'? I'm waiting for everyone to comment...
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: leem1023@m... [mailto:leem1023@m...]
> > Sent: 23 March 1999 22:45
> > To: shavian@egroups.com
> > Subject: [shavian] Web site?
> >
> > I don't feel a need for a single web site. I think the different
> > sites provide a lot of variety, and as long as they reference
> > each other there shouldn't be a problem . . .
> >
> > My only analogous experience is with the Esperanto movement.
> > There are numerous web sites, but no "official" site. The
> > various sites all have different strengths and different
> > resources to offer. There are of course some that are of greater
> > value because of the quality of the content.
> >
> > Lee
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>

Hi Hugh

Wow.
Looks like everything is double linked.
All the sites are now in the Link section of the Yahoo group for
Shaw Alphabet and in the Portal Page of www.shavian.org.
Good Show.

Thanks for adding those links for me.
Its now an education for the unwary.

Regards, Paul V.



--- In shawalphabet@yahoogroups.com, "Hugh Birkenhead"
<mixsynth@f...> wrote:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/shawalphabet/links
>
> Take a look. You might be surprised... :)
>
> Hugh B
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: paul vandenbrink [mailto:pvandenbrink@s...]
> > Sent: 11 January 2005 16:31
> > To: shawalphabet@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [shawalphabet] Shavian Links at Shavian.Org
> >
> >
> >
> > Hi Hugh
> >
> > I happened to notice that some of our Shavian Links on the
> > Home page are a bit out of date. In fact the sites of Garry
Shannon,
> > Simon Barnes and Lionel Ghoti no longer exist. Also the link
> > marked "Shavian in Unicode Standard" needs to be pointed to
> > an existing location.
> >
> > But instead of just turfing out these old links, perhaps
people
> > can suggest additional links, pertinent to other like minded
> > individuals, who wished to learn the Shavian Alphabet.
> >
> > Personally, I like www.omniglot.com as it has good discussion of
not
> > just Shavian, but also what an Alphabet is. It is an amazing
site for
> > people interested in Alphabets and other writing systems.
> >
> > Also there is
> > http://victorian.fortunecity.com/vangogh/555/Spell/shaw-alfa.html
> > I don't know who set it up. But there is a lot there.
> > Including a Gerge Bernard Shaw Preface which discussess quite
clearly
> > the roots of the Shavian Alphabet, and his actual intentions when
> > creating the Shavian Alphabet.
> > He also had a plan for simplifying English grammar for foreigners
> > (Americans?) and the uneducated British lower classes.
> >
> > So any other suggestions on good Shaw Alphabet Sites? I quite
like
> > the idea of www.shavian.org being the entry point or portal to a
> > number of Shavian sites.
> >
> > Regards, Paul V.
> >
> > _________________attached_______________________________
> > From: "Hugh Birkenhead" <mixsynth@s...>
> > Date: Wed Mar 24, 1999 10:49 am
> > Subject: [shavian] Re: Web site?
> >
> > In response to Lee's response,
> >
> > Don't forget I made it clear that the individual sites would not
have
> > to be adandoned. On the contrary, I also believe that having
various
> > sites of different strengths is a good thing here (for example I
> > would not remove my own Shavian site from the web). What I was
> > suggesting is that there be a central, focal point where the
> > knowledge of ALL the various Shavian fans is brought together, so
> > that support can be consolidated;
> > this will not REPLACE
> > the current sites but will ADD to them. It will do the influence
of
> > the alphabet a whole heap of good, because newcomers will
receive a
> > far stronger view of support for the alphabet - far more than the
> > separate individual sites give at this moment.
> >
> > Hugh
> >
> > P.S. Who else says 'aye'? I'm waiting for everyone to comment...
> >
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: leem1023@m... [mailto:leem1023@m...]
> > > Sent: 23 March 1999 22:45
> > > To: shavian@egroups.com
> > > Subject: [shavian] Web site?
> > >
> > > I don't feel a need for a single web site. I think the
different
> > > sites provide a lot of variety, and as long as they reference
> > > each other there shouldn't be a problem . . .
> > >
> > > My only analogous experience is with the Esperanto movement.
> > > There are numerous web sites, but no "official" site. The
> > > various sites all have different strengths and different
> > > resources to offer. There are of course some that are of
greater
> > > value because of the quality of the content.
> > >
> > > Lee
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >

There's actually more links there than on any other Shavian links page. Some
I've only just found.

Why have a dozen different links pages all linking to the same sites, with
many out of date, when you can just have all the links here in the group?

- It's a one stop shop - no need to spend hours googling for Shavian sites
- Links never go out of date - anybody in the group can keep them up-to-date
- Anybody can add their own - alerting the group to new sites is easy

If any of you find there are any relevant pages not yet linked to, please go
ahead and add them to the list!

Hugh B


> -----Original Message-----
> From: paul vandenbrink [mailto:pvandenbrink@...]
> Sent: 11 January 2005 20:32
> To: shawalphabet@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [shawalphabet] Re: Shavian Links at Shavian.Org
>
>
>
> Hi Hugh
>
> Wow.
> Looks like everything is double linked.
> All the sites are now in the Link section of the Yahoo group for
> Shaw Alphabet and in the Portal Page of www.shavian.org.
> Good Show.
>
> Thanks for adding those links for me.
> Its now an education for the unwary.
>
> Regards, Paul V.
>
>
>
> --- In shawalphabet@yahoogroups.com, "Hugh Birkenhead"
> <mixsynth@f...> wrote:
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/shawalphabet/links
> >
> > Take a look. You might be surprised... :)
> >
> > Hugh B
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: paul vandenbrink [mailto:pvandenbrink@s...]
> > > Sent: 11 January 2005 16:31
> > > To: shawalphabet@yahoogroups.com
> > > Subject: [shawalphabet] Shavian Links at Shavian.Org
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Hi Hugh
> > >
> > > I happened to notice that some of our Shavian Links on the
> > > Home page are a bit out of date. In fact the sites of Garry
> Shannon,
> > > Simon Barnes and Lionel Ghoti no longer exist. Also the link
> > > marked "Shavian in Unicode Standard" needs to be pointed to
> > > an existing location.
> > >
> > > But instead of just turfing out these old links, perhaps
> people
> > > can suggest additional links, pertinent to other like minded
> > > individuals, who wished to learn the Shavian Alphabet.
> > >
> > > Personally, I like www.omniglot.com as it has good discussion of
> not
> > > just Shavian, but also what an Alphabet is. It is an amazing
> site for
> > > people interested in Alphabets and other writing systems.
> > >
> > > Also there is
> > > http://victorian.fortunecity.com/vangogh/555/Spell/shaw-alfa.html
> > > I don't know who set it up. But there is a lot there.
> > > Including a Gerge Bernard Shaw Preface which discussess quite
> clearly
> > > the roots of the Shavian Alphabet, and his actual intentions when
> > > creating the Shavian Alphabet.
> > > He also had a plan for simplifying English grammar for foreigners
> > > (Americans?) and the uneducated British lower classes.
> > >
> > > So any other suggestions on good Shaw Alphabet Sites? I quite
> like
> > > the idea of www.shavian.org being the entry point or portal to a
> > > number of Shavian sites.
> > >
> > > Regards, Paul V.
> > >
> > > _________________attached_______________________________
> > > From: "Hugh Birkenhead" <mixsynth@s...>
> > > Date: Wed Mar 24, 1999 10:49 am
> > > Subject: [shavian] Re: Web site?
> > >
> > > In response to Lee's response,
> > >
> > > Don't forget I made it clear that the individual sites would not
> have
> > > to be adandoned. On the contrary, I also believe that having
> various
> > > sites of different strengths is a good thing here (for example I
> > > would not remove my own Shavian site from the web). What I was
> > > suggesting is that there be a central, focal point where the
> > > knowledge of ALL the various Shavian fans is brought together, so
> > > that support can be consolidated;
> > > this will not REPLACE
> > > the current sites but will ADD to them. It will do the influence
> of
> > > the alphabet a whole heap of good, because newcomers will
> receive a
> > > far stronger view of support for the alphabet - far more than the
> > > separate individual sites give at this moment.
> > >
> > > Hugh
> > >
> > > P.S. Who else says 'aye'? I'm waiting for everyone to comment...
> > >
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: leem1023@m... [mailto:leem1023@m...]
> > > > Sent: 23 March 1999 22:45
> > > > To: shavian@egroups.com
> > > > Subject: [shavian] Web site?
> > > >
> > > > I don't feel a need for a single web site. I think the
> different
> > > > sites provide a lot of variety, and as long as they reference
> > > > each other there shouldn't be a problem . . .
> > > >
> > > > My only analogous experience is with the Esperanto movement.
> > > > There are numerous web sites, but no "official" site. The
> > > > various sites all have different strengths and different
> > > > resources to offer. There are of course some that are of
> greater
> > > > value because of the quality of the content.
> > > >
> > > > Lee
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Yahoo! Groups Links
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>

--- In shawalphabet@yahoogroups.com, Philip Newton <philip.newton@g...> wrote:
> I think that's a useful alternative to have. It reminds me of
> Georgian, which doesn't (now) have upper- and lower-case letters, but
> they do have a style of font where all letters are the same height
> which they use for titles and the like; this appears similar.
>
> Cheers,
> --
> Philip Newton <philip.newton@g...>

That's exactly how I intended it. I meant for it to be used in titling or for a large
initial letter. The font is actually based on a lettering design (http://
www.cafepress.com/shawstudio.13588461) I did for my Shavian shop on CafePress
(http://www.cafepress.com/shawstudio).

sb: This is more of a test to see what graphics will show up on the yahoo
server.
I think graphics that are copied directly from the web will show up. Please
write if you cannot view the graphics.
abnormal would be the Shavian spelling. It is also the Spanglish spelling of
the 1st word.
acsepptabal would be transcribed in keyboard Shavian as akseptabal, I think.
I am not sure how Shavian handles a syllabic L. [download the shavian font
to view]
Would akseptabl be OK?
STRESS: Shavian has a true schwa symbol <a> but does not have other ways to
mark primary stress. This is a defect with ESL students but only needed by
native speakers when the word has never been heard spoken before.
Newbies can try to transcribe the remaining words into Shavian. --Steve
The 14 key words for English vowels are
LONG - urge arm age eel awl oaks hoop pool - canoe aside
acid
SHORT - ago ax etch in ox up hoo
UNIFON: urj orm Aj El xl Oks hUp pUl kcnU csId ascd kyUt
ENgliS: urj crm Aj El ol Oks hwp pwl kanw asYd qsid kUt

Shavian: urj yrm/Rm Ej Il Oks hMp hUk pUl kanM asId asid

Transcriptions
TraditionalRegularized Spelling86%+ Phonemic Notations
WordCut Spelling RITE
transcription Truespel
transcription transcription
abnormal
acceptable
saddle
awlful
all full
offal
apple
illusion
allusion
image
imagineabnorml
acceptabl
sadl
awlfl
all full?
offl
apl
ilusion
alusion
image
imaginabnormal
akseptable
saddl
awful
awl ful
offal
appl
ilusion iluuzhan
alusion aluuzhan
imij imaj
imajin imajjinabnnormool
aksseptibool
sadool
aulfool
aul fool
aufool
apool
illuezhin
ulluezhin
imij
immajinabnormal abnorml
acsepptabal -aceptabl
saddal or saddl
awlfal or awlfl
ol fwl or awl fwl
offal or ofl
appal or appl
iluuzhan
aluuzhan
imaj immij
imajjin imadjan

q-ref dictionaries • ozideas • • IPA converter • Soundspel
www.foolswisdom.com/~sbett

I think that illusion and allusion would be a minimal pair
distinguishing the short unstressed i from schwa.

Paul,

You may not be that far from my position in your disagreements.

The legacy keyboard is not the only problem. We also have legacy
associations.

I have no problem with E for ei or F for ai, but I am afraid that many
learners will.

Keyboard Shavian was never designed to optimize word recognition and
readability.

I don''t think you disagree with this point.
Your second point regards having a key for common phoneme combinations.
The only problem with having single keys for combinations is the task of
learning
the extra paired associate. Once learned, there is no problem other than not
being
able to use the new code with people who have not been initiated.

/dOnt rFkql nQ frum FtiN qstDz At H spY. Shavian keyboard
.dOnt rEkQl nq frum EtiN Qstcrz at Dc spo. Unifon keyboard schwa-c
.dOnt rEkoil now frum EtiN oistarz qt Da spc. ENgliS schwa-a
Dónt rékoyl frûm éting oysterz at ð spä. ANSI Latin 1 [Intl
Keyboard]
IPA
available in Unicode with extensions

ENgliS is supposed to be readable without a key. It is basically Unifon with
no arbitrary letters assigned to phoneme combinations. If one of your goals
is readability, then this is one of the moves you have to make.

--Steve



Correspondence Chart: at
www.foolswisdom.com/~sbett/14-unifon-ipa-shavian16.gif

Correspondence chart from the file section of Shavian
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/shavian/files/gp/


Shavian shapes associated with modified IPA

All Readscripts
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/shavian/files/gp/readscripts.gif
www.foolswisdom.com/~sbett/readscripts.gif


Hi Steve
PV: I have to respectfully disagree to a couple of your points.

First, I agree that a Shaw Keyboard with 48 keys would be ideal.
SB: I think my point is that you only need 36 keys to cover all of the
uncombined phonemes. You are adding 12 keys for commonly used
combinations such as <ai> <au> <oi> <yu> etc.
Having to fool around with the QWERTY Keyboard based on 26 letters,
with all the extraneous keys around the edge is not helping. Why do
we have 2 sets of number keys? And even though it is the first key
you see, I have never used the tilde key for anything. What the heck
is under the Tilde. Whatever it is, it has its own key.
SB: The tilde is just another accent key not unlike the circumflex or chevron.
It is used in some European languages. The English writing system only uses
the acute accent as in <resumé>.
PV: However, there is a strong benefit to having one key for every
commonly understood phoneme, and although we lose sight of it some
times, "I" is a phoneme.
SB: Economy is one of the premises of a phonemic analysis. You can add extra
symbols if you want to but it is a trade off. See A David Abercrombie,
English Phonetic Texts.
PV: Phonetically, it might be equivalent
to "ado" + "eat" or sometimes "ah" + "eat" or even on rare
occasions "ash" + "eat", but English speakers hear it as one sound.
it is written with one letter in the Roman Alphabet.
Same with "age" and "yew" and "array".
SB: This sounds like an argument to use I for /ai/ and A for /ei/ and U for
/iu/.
Essentially, this is what Unifon does.
When some says "cute", "beautiful", "fuel" or "Few", do you think
a "y" sound or a funny Dipthong?
SB: We did a poll on saundspel regarding what sound to associate with U or ú.
<few cute beauties> could be spelled < fEU CEUt BEUtEz > in Unifon
or <fyU cyUt byUtEz> or < fY cYt bYtEz>.

In terms of how the word is pronounced, fyU would be the best choice.
Having a Y for the same sound just makes spelling ambiguous.

PV: Surprise, some people do pronounce
it a Dipthong. If it's an English Phoneme, it doesn't always break
down into nice neat basic sounds. Ask Stephanie on the Bob Newhart
Show, if what she is saying is "you" when she is making the funny "euch"
sound (Interjection).
SB: A narrow phonemic representation can only deal with one dialect at a
time. This is why you have different dictionary pronunciation guides published.

On Tue, 11 Jan 2005 18:57:13 -0000, Hugh Birkenhead
<mixsynth@...> wrote:
>
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/shawalphabet/links
>
> Take a look. You might be surprised... :)

I'm impressed. Thank you for your work, Hugh.

Cheers,
--
Philip Newton <philip.newton@...>

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To view display Shavian download the font Shaw Sans No. 2 by Phillip Discroll
at
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/shawalphabet/files/Fonts/cshaws2.ttf

Sample Shavian Transcription
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/shawalphabet/files/Texts/23rd_Psalm.htm


Learn a better code
lxn a betD kOd
With a better code for spoken English
Children could save 2 years of schooling.
They would be as proficient as a 3rd year student
by the end of the fist year.


www.foolswisdom.com/~sbett/lrn-btr-cOd-t.jpg




Philip Seymour has probably compiled the most evidence for this claim.
Using several proficiency standards he found that the statement
was true in the countries he studied.
Children in countries with shallow orthographies progress much
faster than English speaking children. By the end of the first year,
they can perform at a level that is unmatched by English speaking
children until the 3rd grade.

Drop Stupid Spelling Day - September 16
/drop stMpid speliN dE
/septembD 16

Bag with monogram
shaw - SY

SEvian trAnskripSan

23d sym (H /lPd iz mF SepDd)
H /lPd iz mF SepDd; H /lPd iz mF SepDd;
F SAl not wont.
hI mEkaT mI t lF dQn in grIn pyscDz.

Steve T. Bett, Ph.D.
Austin, Texas
mailto:sbett@... 512-302-3014
www.foolswisdom.com/~sbett
retired professor, volunteer literacy instructor
moderator of Saundspel -the phonology forum
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/saundspel

Dr. Valerie Yule wrote:

The' English speaking world' is dominated by the elites who can read and spel
wel, and do not realise like the rest of the world
a) That writing sistems can be reformd
b) That most pepl who use English today are NOT native speakers.

SB: This was a point that Mont Follick tried to make. If most learners are
not native speakers then this is the group whose needs should be addressed by
any proposal for orthographic change.

English spelling no longer belongs only to the percentage of native speakers
who are lucky enuf to be able to read
and write well, but to the rest of the wurld - as well as those
native speakers who do not get a chance to be considered by the elites. Most
English-users now live in India.

These discoveries can be a useful shock.

Last year I attended an international conference of teachers of
reading and English in schools, and they were away with the fairies on the
white horse that 'the English language is a Global Oppression' and all school
classrooms ought to be multilingual -
but when I suggested that it was English spelling that was the great Global
Oppression,

(and that it is quite useful to have a language for international
comunication that is shared by billions) they regarded me as ratbag.

I regard reform as requiring an International English Spelling Comission -
and if it has a Greek or Hebrew result - ie
a demotic spelling for most pepl wurld-wide, plus the classical
version that retains the illogical disadvantages for those who love to mull
over them - well then.

So I think the fact that the spelling society is going international is
briliant. We are SO parochial.

Mi only wurry is that there may be insuficient time for preparation and
publicity wurld-wide.

Sx sanz #2 wil bE D prEfcrd font fOr
SAvicn tranzkripScnz on Dis sIt

Viewable with Shaw Sans No. 2 installed

/3/ (as in urge /3`dZ/) is recognized as one of the phonemes of spoken
English (obscure vowel) but it is not uniquely represented in the alphabet. /3`j/
is spelled urge, /3`nd/ is spelled earned /s3`f@`/ surfer. ENgliS & Shavian
handle this well:

ENgliS: Rj, Rnd, sRfar, sufar
Shavian:. xJ, xnd, sxfD, sufD.
Unifon does not: urj, urn, surfcr, sufcr.

I want a uni-key that can be taught to everyone and used to display any set
of special characters such as Shavian, Unifon, i/t/a, Webster, or IPA.

uni-key would be use as the keyboard map and for discussing speech sounds in
ASCII email.

The next step up would be a more natural looking digraphic/accented phonemic
writing system [Webster Latin 1]. For some reason, this does not always come
across as Latin 1. Sometimes it is auto-converted into Unicode.

Shô wil bé ð préfûrd fönt fôr Sháviøn transkripshønz ön ðis sýt.

This is supposed to be Latin 1 with no Unicode.

Snô wil bé ... I kant désýfer the rest.

Webster Latin 1 can be easily typed after a 5 min. installation of the
International keyboard. 95% of the email editors can interpret these codes but
sometimes they are auto-converted to Unicode which cannot be interpreted by some
email editors.

This is what happened above. One can often play around with the encoding and
get some readable text.

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Steve T. Bett, Ph.D.
Austin, Texas
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retired professor, volunteer literacy instructor
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