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Hi Paul
Who wants to be a lxt? (Logical but Irksome Twerp)
Twerp is the same as Twit for the British Contingent.
Regards, Paul V.
P.S. Did we ever sort out the names of the Shaw Letters.
Talking about Abbreviations, without having Letter names, is the same
as putting the cart before the house. Conducive to contemplation,
but not action.

--- In shawalphabet@yahoogroups.com, "dshepx" <dshep@g...> wrote:
> Cheeky is fine; keeps one alert.
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> dshep

On 2/1/05 11:04 AM, "paul vandenbrink" <pvandenbrink@...> wrote:

> Hi Paul
> Who wants to be a lxt? (Logical but Irksome Twerp)

That will probably be my profession some day, but right now it's just a
hobby. :)

> Twerp is the same as Twit for the British Contingent.
> Regards, Paul V.
> P.S. Did we ever sort out the names of the Shaw Letters.
> Talking about Abbreviations, without having Letter names, is the same
> as putting the cart before the house. Conducive to contemplation,
> but not action.

We haven't agreed on the letter names yet. I try to use the names given in
the ShawScript newsletter. I've been working on the Wikipedia entry on
Shavian, so I may eventually add the new names there for reference.

Regards,
Joe
/JO

That's a good point. That may be a better option. I like the interactivity
and cross-referencing capabilities of Wikinews, but the Ikonboard may just
be the better option. Wikinews, for example, doesn't seem to support
Unicode Shavian, and thus would require changing fonts often. Perhaps
another forum could be added on the Ikonboard for news?

I've inquired about making the new edition of Wikinews, but I haven't
seriously pursued it. It's not too late to back down, so we have time to
decide. I shall make a poll on the group page.


On 2/1/05 10:51 AM, "paul vandenbrink" <pvandenbrink@...> wrote:

> Hi Joe
> I don't mind adding Shavian to Wikinews. I would not mind writing out
> a summary of each weeks discussion, with whatever consensus we happen
> to arrive at. It would be a good index into the discussion of
> different topics.
> (Guys, change the Subject field, when you change the Subject!)
>
> It occurs to me that also the Shavian Ikonboard could be used for the
> same purpose. You can edit posts and append information there too.
> It is centrally located at www.shavian.org.
>
> Take a look. I will go along with the majority opinion.
>
> Regards, Paul V.

--- In shawalphabet@yahoogroups.com, "paul vandenbrink"

<pvandenbrink@s...> wrote:
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> Hi Paul
> Who wants to be a lxt? (Logical but Irksome Twerp)
> Twerp is the same as Twit for the British Contingent.
> Regards, Paul V.


And for ARB?

dshep

> > Hi Paul
> > Who wants to be a lxt? (Logical but Irksome Twerp)
> > Twerp is the same as Twit for the British Contingent.
> > Regards, Paul V.
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> And for ARB?
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> dshep

ARB? Please explain.

Hugh B

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> ARB? Please explain.





Why, All-Round Boor, of course, now that we have
reached the stage of childish name-calling.




fondly,
dshep

Hi DShep and everybody else too

Please accept my apologies.
I had no intention of insulting anyone.
And I take back any comments that may so be construed.
Name-calling! G-d Forbid.

Regards, Paul V.
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Hi garosalibian,

One of the reasons you briefly touched on was that wasn't enough literature in Shavian, for anyone to take it seriously. That mostly has to do with the time and effort of tranliterating previously written text into Shavian. Some people probably used that as an excuse not to write prolifically in the Shavian Alphabet. As for me when I have the opportunity to get established with all the necessary equipment, I would like to publish as much of the public domain literature as I possibly can in my lifetime. I encourge others to do the same if so willing and able. Currently, I am willing, but due to economics I am not able to publish literture into the Shavian Alphabet.

Best of Regards,

Carl

garosalibian <garosalibian@...> wrote:

Quote from your introduction: ONE (capiotals from me) book, a
bi-alphabetical version of "Androcles and the Lion" (cover shown left)
was produced, with copies sent to LIBRARIES all over the
English-speaking world. It was HOPED that the alphabet would gain
support through its INHERENT benefits; despite attracting plenty of
attention at the time, the alphabet SADLY faded into obscurity...
Unquote

One book? No further editions?
To the "libraries" of the English speaking world. And they probably
gave it the necesaary code, filed it on the stacks and never took a
look at it...
Hoped? No marketing needed? Advertisements? Some illustartions? You
just hope and it is done?

Conclusion? Not enough was done. "Androcles and the Lion" is not your
day-to-day literature and I hadn't even read it in Latin letters, let
alone be bothered to read it in Shavian....

The point is, surely far more extensive literature should have been
printed for the general public before the general public warmed up to
the idea of Shavian's "inherent benefits".

By dropping it after publishing Androcles, you have deprived millions
of readers these "inherent benefits" by not giving them enough materials.

For the "man in the street", how about even an 8-page monthly
bi-alphabetical tabloid or magazine giving us some contemporary news
in Shavian.

How about an illustrated children's guide to teach the average kid the
basics.

The Shavian movement has only itself to blame. Shaw must be turning in
his grave seeing what has happened to his dream of reform.

Probably English is still being written more or less the same way it
was when Shaw's grand grand grand father was born!

So much for inherent benefits.
All "I" see is inherent benefits of TS and it's apparent staying power
as it goes on happily not even changing one simple rule since
Webster's "cosmetic" and very "symbolic" reform. And that was ages ago.





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Hi garosalibian,\

Shavian was originally meant for English (Recieved Pronounciation). However, with accent marks and the like can be applied to Shavian. Like it is with the Roman alphabet.

Hope this helps,

Carl

garosalibian <garosalibian@...> wrote:

Shavian, a stand alone alphabet. That's lovely.

But is it readily adaptable to French, German, Italian, Spanish,
Portuguese and their needs. Has any attempt been made to address the
needs of these languages for a uniform alphabet. If Shavian is such an
alphabet, I would love to see Shavian applied for the above languages.

Will it stand the test?
Will we need to add some more letters to the alphabet.

More ambitiously, would it be sufficient enough for use in languages
that use Cyrillic (Greek, Russian, Bulgarian... ) or Arabic script
(meaning also Farsi, Urdu etc.)







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Carl,

Why not build a converter that will auto convert plain text into Shavian.
That would certainly be a quicker and more accurate way to achieve your goal.

The first step in building a converter is to provide the Shavian equivalent
in ASCII of 60,000 words. The hard transcriptions should be posted on this
discussion group.

--Steve
Carl wrote: I would like to publish as much of the public domain literature
as I possibly can in my lifetime. I encourge others to do the same if so
willing and able. Currently, I am willing, but due to economics I am not able
to publish literture into the Shavian Alphabet.


Steve