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Hi Star

Here is a list of the proposed tweaks to take advantage of some un-
used Keys on a typical Qwerty Keyboard.
As you can see these changes do not make The Shavian Keyboard conform
more closely to the Roman Alphabet. Instead it opens up some of the
current clastrophobic correspondences, and make the Keyboard much
easier to use to input Shavian letters. In particular, it reduces the
number of common Shavian Letters which require a Shift-key.
These changes are based on the recognition of certain clumbersome
situations in the current mapping.
The Primary example is the use of unshifted "A" key for Ado,
and the shifted "A" key for Ash.
Although, this is good way to introduce a novice to the variant A
sounds, it is very clumbersome, because the sound of Ash is very
common.
I propose
1. That we move Ado under the plain "X" key,
and drop Ash into the unshifted "A" key position.
2. Then we can move Ice into the shifted "A" key position.
3. We can remove Ah from the plain "Y" key and put "Yea"
in its place. Then we can drop Judge from the Shifted J position
to the plain J position.

These two corrections eliminate a lot of Spelling mistakes,
where people use the unshifted "J" Key by mistake for the Judge sound.

I also propose that the key "[" represent Or
and that the key "]" represent Air
and that the key "+" represent Err (Urge).

I also propose that the key ";" represent Oak
and that the key ":" (Shift) represent Oil
and that the key "'" represent Ooze.
These are less commonly used vowels, but they still require a
distinctive key and they free up some of the confusion on the other
Key mappings.

These are the Major recommended changes, I will send details of the
minor changes in the next post.

Regards, paul V.
__________________attached_____________________
--- In shawalphabet@yahoogroups.com, wrote:
> Hi Star
>
> Hmmn, I do know you Star, but not so well that I can predict your
> response to every interesting question.
> I wouldn't think you would object to a little bit of tweaking of
the
> Keyboard Mapping, at least until you know what I am suggesting?
> Specifically, that is.
> Do you so object?
>
> By the way, I don't see the Shaw Alphabet as totally seperate from
> the Roman Alphabet. It was created in reaction to the limitations
of
> the Roman Alphabet in writing real spoken English.
>
> The Shaw Alphabet preserves some of the Stong features of the Roman
> Alphabet. Let me list a few. I am sure there are more.
> As such it is much easier for people conditioned to Roman Alphabet
to
> use.
>
> Correspondences
> 1. Both Alphabets have Tall, Deep and Short Letters,
> with Vowels, Semi-vowels and common Nasal sounds mostly found in
the
> Short letters.
> 2. The S and Z correspond to the So and the Zoo Letters
> 3. The i corresponds with "if"
> 4. The o corresponds with "Oak"
> 5. The letters are designed to fit in manner that minimizes the
length
> of the word slong the line. The letters generally fit in a rectangle
> that is quit a bit longer along the vertical axis. Most alphabets,
> fit in a more squared shape. Take a look at Modern Hebrew for an
> example of what
> I mean.
> 6. A distinctive amount of blank space between words.

Here is the complete list of tweaks.
Realize that these improvements may not be the final word.
I'd be glad to hear of any other suggestions that would improve the
Shaw Key Mapping with a minimal number of Key changes.

1. As the Ah Shaw letter is rarely used, it can be moved up into
the Shift-X position above the new position for the Ado.
2. The other part of the Shaw pair Awe, can be moved to the Shift-O
position.
3. Oak and Oil have already been moved to the ";" Key and Shift-":".
Oak and Oil make a good Shavian Letter pair.
Since Oil is mapped onto the Shift-":" Key, we can drop the Shaw
Out letter from Shift-"Q" down to the plain "Q" key.
4. We can move the Shaw Letter "Yew" to the Upper Case "Y" key on top
of the "Y" Key used for "Yea". Yea and Yew make a good Shaw pair,
also.

Along with the 3 Major Changes described below and the additional use
of 5 unused punctuation Keys to represent Shavian Letters, these
changes provide a much more internally consistent and logical mapping
of the Shavian letters to the Computer Keyboard.
It reduces the number of Keys that need to be Shifted for Shavian
from 23 to 17.

The change assists in the learning of the Shavian Keyboard and also
speeds up the typing of Shavian words.
It is relatively transparent to someone familar with the current
Shavian Keyboard mapping.

I will provide a couple of sample sentences using both mappings
in a later post.

Hope to some feedback on these suggestions.

Regards, Paul V.

P.S. If we ever get a new Shavian letter to represent the "wh" sound,
we would
want to move the Shaw Ear letter from the Shift-"w" Keyboard
position.
___________________attached___________________________
--- In shawalphabet@yahoogroups.com, "paul vandenbrink"
<pvandenbrink11@h...> wrote:
> Hi Star
>
> Here is a list of the proposed tweaks to take advantage of some un-
> used Keys on a typical Qwerty Keyboard.
> As you can see these changes do not make The Shavian Keyboard
conform
> more closely to the Roman Alphabet. Instead it opens up some of the
> current clastrophobic correspondences, and make the Keyboard much
> easier to use to input Shavian letters. In particular, it reduces
the
> number of common Shavian Letters which require a Shift-key.
> These changes are based on the recognition of certain clumbersome
> situations in the current mapping.
> The Primary example is the use of unshifted "A" key for Ado,
> and the shifted "A" key for Ash.
> Although, this is good way to introduce a novice to the variant A
> sounds, it is very clumbersome, because the a-sound of Ash is very
> common.
> I propose
> 1. That we move Ado under the plain "X" key,
> and drop down Ash into the unshifted "A" key position.
> 2. Then we can move Ice into the shifted "A" key position.
> 3. We can remove Ah from the plain "Y" key and put "Yea"
> in its place. Then we can drop Judge from the Shifted J position
> to the plain J position.
>
> These two corrections eliminate a lot of Spelling mistakes,
> where people use the unshifted "J" Key by mistake for the Judge
sound.
>
> I also propose that the key "[" represent Or
> and that the key "]" represent Air
> and that the key "+" represent Err (Urge).
>
> I also propose that the key ";" represent Oak
> and that the key ":" (Shift) represent Oil
> and that the key "'" represent Ooze.
> These are less commonly used vowels, but they each still require a
> distinctive key and they free up some of the confusion on the other
> Key mappings.
>
> These are the Major recommended changes, I will send details of the
> minor changes in the next post.
>
> Regards, Paul V.

Here are some Sample Sentences using both the Old Shavian Keyboard
Mapping and the New alternate Shaw keyboard mapping.

OLD -> H kwik brQn foks Jumpt OvD a lEzI dYg.

NEW -> H kwik brqn foks jumpt ;vD x lEzI dOg.

OLD -> H tFm hAz kum fP Yl gUd men t kum t H Ed v H pRtI.

NEW -> H tAm haz kum f[ Ol gUd men t kum t H Ed v H pRtI.

OLD -> /pItD /pFpD pikt a pek v pikald pepxz.

NEW -> /pItD /pApD pikt a pek v pikald pep+z.

As you can easily see, Overall the differences in the text is minimal.
In the moste common case, the change is just the substitution of the
Old Capital letter with the same letter in Lower Case.

Regards, Paul V.

--- In shawalphabet@yahoogroups.com, "paul vandenbrink"
<pvandenbrink11@h...> wrote:
> Here is a list of the proposed tweaks to take advantage of some un-
> used Keys on a typical Qwerty Keyboard.
> As you can see these changes do not make The Shavian Keyboard conform
> more closely to the Roman Alphabet. Instead it opens up some of the
> current clastrophobic correspondences, and make the Keyboard much
> easier to use to input Shavian letters.

1. Tim and I climbed up the sagging steps and looked in the window.
New: /tim n A klAmbd up H sagiN steps n lUkt in H wind;.
Old: /tim n F klFmbd up H sAgiN steps n lUkt in H windO.
2. We saw boxes and dusty tables. We walked in.
New: wI sO boksxz n dustI tEbxlz. wI wOkt in.
Old: wI sY boksaz n dustI tEbalz. wI wYkt in.
3. The creaking made us afraid. Tim felt a tapping on his head.
New: H krIkiN mEd us xfrEd. /tim felt x tapiN on hiz hed.
Old: H krIkiN mEd us afrEd. /tim felt a tApiN on hiz hed.
4. Then a big blob chased us out of the house!
New: Hen x big blOb cEst us qt v H hqs!
Old: Hen a big blYb cEst us Qt v H hQs!
5. I screamed and woke up. Mom hugged me and tucked me in again.
6. It was only a dream.

As you can see for a minimal difference in output, you gain a much
easier to remember and use Keyboard mapping.

Regards, Paul V.
P.S. It surprizing how seldom the Oil Vowel sound is used in English.
It is one of the most underused English Vowel sounds.
______________________attached_______________________
--- In shawalphabet@yahoogroups.com, "paul vandenbrink"
<pvandenbrink11@h...> wrote:
> Here are some Sample Sentences using both the Old Shavian Keyboard
> Mapping and the New alternate Shaw keyboard mapping.
>
> OLD -> H kwik brQn foks Jumpt OvD a lEzI dYg.
>
> NEW -> H kwik brqn foks jumpt ;vD x lEzI dOg.
>
> OLD -> H tFm hAz kum fP Yl gUd men t kum t H Ed v H pRtI.
>
> NEW -> H tAm haz kum f[ Ol gUd men t kum t H Ed v H pRtI.
>
> OLD -> /pItD /pFpD pikt a pek v pikald pepxz.
>
> NEW -> /pItD /pApD pikt a pek v pikald pep+z.
>
> As you can easily see, Overall the differences in the text is minimal.
> In the moste common case, the change is just the substitution of the
> Old Capital letter with the same letter in Lower Case.
>
> Regards, Paul V.
>
> --- In shawalphabet@yahoogroups.com, "paul vandenbrink"
> <pvandenbrink11@h...> wrote:
> > Here is a list of the proposed tweaks to take advantage of some un-
> > used Keys on a typical Qwerty Keyboar

d.
> > As you can see these changes do not make The Shavian Keyboard conform
> > more closely to the Roman Alphabet. Instead it opens up some of the
> > current clastrophobic correspondences, and make the Keyboard much
> > easier to use to input Shavian letters.

On Jun 16, 2005, at 12:58 PM, paul vandenbrink wrote:
>
> As you can see for a minimal difference in output, you gain a much
> easier to remember and use Keyboard mapping.

It looks great to me. I'll see if I can make it into an input method
for Mac OS X.

> Regards, Paul V.
> P.S. It surprizing how seldom the Oil Vowel sound is used in English.
> It is one of the most underused English Vowel sounds.

I noticed this too. I alwaly wished Oil and Out had been the other way
around.

On another note, I'll be out of town for a while with no internet
access, so I won't be around anytime soon. I'll see if I can get
anything done by the time I come back.

Regards,
Joseph Spicer
·𐑡𐑴𐑕𐑧𐑓 𐑕𐑐𐑲𐑕𐑼

Hi Joseph
Glad you like the new mapping.
I completed some of the samples, below.
Does anyone have coherent piece of text that uses all
48 Shaw Letters. I'd like to make a sample that includes all the Shaw
Letters.
Regards, Paul V.
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--- In shawalphabet@yahoogroups.com, "paul vandenbrink"
<pvandenbrink11@h...> wrote:
> 1. Tim and I climbed up the sagging steps and looked in the window.
> New: /tim n A klAmbd up H sagiN steps n lUkt in H wind;.
> Old: /tim n F klFmbd up H sAgiN steps n lUkt in H windO.
> 2. We saw boxes and dusty tables. We walked in.
> New: wI sO boksxz n dustI tEbxlz. wI wOkt in.
> Old: wI sY boksaz n dustI tEbalz. wI wYkt in.
> 3. The creaking made us afraid. Tim felt a tapping on his head.
> New: H krIkiN mEd us xfrEd. /tim felt x tapiN on hiz hed.
> Old: H krIkiN mEd us afrEd. /tim felt a tApiN on hiz hed.
> 4. Then a big blob chased us out of the house!
> New: Hen x big blOb cEst us qt v H hqs!
> Old: Hen a big blYb cEst us Qt v H hQs!
> 5. I screamed and woke up. Mom hugged me and tucked me in again.
New: A skrImd n w;k up. mum hugd mI n tukt mI in xgEn.
Old: F skrImd n wOk up. mum hugd mI n tukt mI in agEn.
> 6. It was only a dream.
New: it wuz ;nlI x drIm.
Old: it wuz OnlI a drIm.

The OLD & NEW Keyboard mapping give exactly the same Shavian
Characters. There is very little difference in the Roman characters.
The Oak key as a ";" is the only jarring note.
So you can see, that for a minimal difference in output, you gain a
much easier to remember and use Keyboard mapping.
>

The only problem I have is where you have used the punctuation as a
letter. I'm guessing that you have alternate places for these to be? My
dear husband who is a programmer uses the semicolon quite a bit, as
well as the plus sign and I'm a writer who uses the semicolon and colon
on occasion. I would hate to see these things lost.

--Star

--- paul vandenbrink <pvandenbrink11@...> wrote:

> 1. Tim and I climbed up the sagging steps and looked in the window.
> New: /tim n A klAmbd up H sagiN steps n lUkt in H wind;.
> Old: /tim n F klFmbd up H sAgiN steps n lUkt in H windO.
> 2. We saw boxes and dusty tables. We walked in.
> New: wI sO boksxz n dustI tEbxlz. wI wOkt in.
> Old: wI sY boksaz n dustI tEbalz. wI wYkt in.
> 3. The creaking made us afraid. Tim felt a tapping on his head.
> New: H krIkiN mEd us xfrEd. /tim felt x tapiN on hiz hed.
> Old: H krIkiN mEd us afrEd. /tim felt a tApiN on hiz hed.
> 4. Then a big blob chased us out of the house!
> New: Hen x big blOb cEst us qt v H hqs!
> Old: Hen a big blYb cEst us Qt v H hQs!
> 5. I screamed and woke up. Mom hugged me and tucked me in again.
> 6. It was only a dream.
>
> As you can see for a minimal difference in output, you gain a much
> easier to remember and use Keyboard mapping.
>
> Regards, Paul V.
> P.S. It surprizing how seldom the Oil Vowel sound is used in English.
> It is one of the most underused English Vowel sounds.
> ______________________attached_______________________
> --- In shawalphabet@yahoogroups.com, "paul vandenbrink"
> <pvandenbrink11@h...> wrote:
> > Here are some Sample Sentences using both the Old Shavian Keyboard
>
> > Mapping and the New alternate Shaw keyboard mapping.
> >
> > OLD -> H kwik brQn foks Jumpt OvD a lEzI dYg.
> >
> > NEW -> H kwik brqn foks jumpt ;vD x lEzI dOg.
> >
> > OLD -> H tFm hAz kum fP Yl gUd men t kum t H Ed v H pRtI.
> >
> > NEW -> H tAm haz kum f[ Ol gUd men t kum t H Ed v H pRtI.
> >
> > OLD -> /pItD /pFpD pikt a pek v pikald pepxz.
> >
> > NEW -> /pItD /pApD pikt a pek v pikald pep+z.
> >
> > As you can easily see, Overall the differences in the text is
> minimal.
> > In the moste common case, the change is just the substitution of
> the
> > Old Capital letter with the same letter in Lower Case.
> >
> > Regards, Paul V.
> >
> > --- In shawalphabet@yahoogroups.com, "paul vandenbrink"
> > <pvandenbrink11@h...> wrote:
> > > Here is a list of the proposed tweaks to take advantage of some
> un-
> > > used Keys on a typical Qwerty Keyboar
>
> d.
> > > As you can see these changes do not make The Shavian Keyboard
> conform
> > > more closely to the Roman Alphabet. Instead it opens up some of
> the
> > > current clastrophobic correspondences, and make the Keyboard much
>
> > > easier to use to input Shavian letters.
>
>
>
>


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Hi Star

Let's leave aside the Programming aspect for the moment and look at the
usage of the Colon and Semi-colon in Normal English writing.
I believe they are rarely used and so can be moved with few tears to
the less easily used Upper case, requiring the Shift Key.
I didn't wish to pick a key for them at this point, until we have
settled on which keys are assigned to the more important Shaw Letters.
This method of Change is actually derived from a Programming technique
called Stepwise Refinement.
I am quite certain that your husband would be familar with it.

So when would we need a Colon?
According to the Wikipedia
Colons are most commonly used to introduce lists.
Colons are also used after the salutation in a formal letter.
They are also occasionally used to connect a broad idea with a specific
example: two related sentences can be separated by colons instead of
periods or semicolons. Colons may also be used to introduce a direct
quote.
In any of these cases, a colon can only be used if the clause preceding
the colon is independent.
In effect, Colons are used a formal Marker of of certain common
Sentence constructs, used in business or scientific situations.

So when would we need a Semi-Colon?
According to the Wikipedia
Generally, it is used to bind together two sentences more closely than
they would be if separated by a full stop.
It often replaces a conjunction such "as", "and" or "but". A writer
might consider this appropriate where they are trying to indicate a
close relationship between two sentences, or a 'run-on' in meaning from
one to the next; they don't wish the connection to be broken by the
abrupt use of a full-stop.
Occasionally in formal or business letters, it is used as a kind of
Super-comma.
It is used as a way of indicating a longer pause than a comma would,
in order to make the meaning clear in a sentence where commas are
already being used for other purposes.
A common example of this use is to separate the items of a list when
some of the items themselves contain commas.
For example, "There are several Burger Houses in Atlanta, Georgia;
Greenville, South Carolina; Pensacola, Florida; and Mobile, Alabama."

In effect, Semi-Commas are used in 2 situations. In the first when the
writer prefers not to formally link two sentences with a Conjunction.
This is common in casual speech, so the writer might be just providing
Dialogue, for example.
This way, the Author can still indicate some kind of dependence between
the two sentences.

Secondly, as way of keeping his commas straight, when he is separating
order pairs or ordered triples.

As we can plainly see, Semi-colons and Colon are optional extras in
ordinary English writing. Nice to have, but rarely used except by
aficionados.

Anyway, I will add them to the bottom of the list of essential
puntuation keys.
In particular, the Semi-Colon seems more useful than the Colon.
Comments?

Regards, Paul V.


--- In shawalphabet@yahoogroups.com, Star Raven
<celestraof12worlds@y...> wrote:
> The only problem I have is where you have used the punctuation as a
> letter. I'm guessing that you have alternate places for these to be?
My
> dear husband who is a programmer uses the semicolon quite a bit, as
> well as the plus sign and I'm a writer who uses the semicolon and
colon
> on occasion. I would hate to see these things lost.
>
> --Star

In that case, why not keep all the punctuation on the shifted top row
keys? Eh, I'm willing to try it.

--Star, the aficionado

--- paul vandenbrink <pvandenbrink11@...> wrote:

> Hi Star
>
> Let's leave aside the Programming aspect for the moment and look at
> the
> usage of the Colon and Semi-colon in Normal English writing.
> I believe they are rarely used and so can be moved with few tears to
> the less easily used Upper case, requiring the Shift Key.
> I didn't wish to pick a key for them at this point, until we have
> settled on which keys are assigned to the more important Shaw
> Letters.
> This method of Change is actually derived from a Programming
> technique
> called Stepwise Refinement.
> I am quite certain that your husband would be familar with it.
>
> So when would we need a Colon?
> According to the Wikipedia
> Colons are most commonly used to introduce lists.
> Colons are also used after the salutation in a formal letter.
> They are also occasionally used to connect a broad idea with a
> specific
> example: two related sentences can be separated by colons instead of
> periods or semicolons. Colons may also be used to introduce a direct
> quote.
> In any of these cases, a colon can only be used if the clause
> preceding
> the colon is independent.
> In effect, Colons are used a formal Marker of of certain common
> Sentence constructs, used in business or scientific situations.
>
> So when would we need a Semi-Colon?
> According to the Wikipedia
> Generally, it is used to bind together two sentences more closely
> than
> they would be if separated by a full stop.
> It often replaces a conjunction such "as", "and" or "but". A writer
> might consider this appropriate where they are trying to indicate a
> close relationship between two sentences, or a 'run-on' in meaning
> from
> one to the next; they don't wish the connection to be broken by the
> abrupt use of a full-stop.
> Occasionally in formal or business letters, it is used as a kind of
> Super-comma.
> It is used as a way of indicating a longer pause than a comma would,
> in order to make the meaning clear in a sentence where commas are
> already being used for other purposes.
> A common example of this use is to separate the items of a list when
> some of the items themselves contain commas.
> For example, "There are several Burger Houses in Atlanta, Georgia;
> Greenville, South Carolina; Pensacola, Florida; and Mobile, Alabama."
>
>
> In effect, Semi-Commas are used in 2 situations. In the first when
> the
> writer prefers not to formally link two sentences with a Conjunction.
>
> This is common in casual speech, so the writer might be just
> providing
> Dialogue, for example.
> This way, the Author can still indicate some kind of dependence
> between
> the two sentences.
>
> Secondly, as way of keeping his commas straight, when he is
> separating
> order pairs or ordered triples.
>
> As we can plainly see, Semi-colons and Colon are optional extras in
> ordinary English writing. Nice to have, but rarely used except by
> aficionados.
>
> Anyway, I will add them to the bottom of the list of essential
> puntuation keys.
> In particular, the Semi-Colon seems more useful than the Colon.
> Comments?
>
> Regards, Paul V.
>
>
> --- In shawalphabet@yahoogroups.com, Star Raven
> <celestraof12worlds@y...> wrote:
> > The only problem I have is where you have used the punctuation as a
> > letter. I'm guessing that you have alternate places for these to
> be?
> My
> > dear husband who is a programmer uses the semicolon quite a bit, as
> > well as the plus sign and I'm a writer who uses the semicolon and
> colon
> > on occasion. I would hate to see these things lost.
> >
> > --Star
>
>
>
>


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Hear hear! While I applaud any attempt to make the
Shavian keyboard more rational, why oh why would you
handicap writers who - God forbid - might need a
semicolon or a bracket in their Shavian text? Not that
I have a better solution yet....

--- Star Raven <celestraof12worlds@...> wrote:

> The only problem I have is where you have used the
> punctuation as a
> letter. I'm guessing that you have alternate places
> for these to be? My
> dear husband who is a programmer uses the semicolon
> quite a bit, as
> well as the plus sign and I'm a writer who uses the
> semicolon and colon
> on occasion. I would hate to see these things lost.
>
> --Star
>
> --- paul vandenbrink <pvandenbrink11@...>
> wrote:
>
> > 1. Tim and I climbed up the sagging steps and
> looked in the window.
> > New: /tim n A klAmbd up H sagiN steps n lUkt in H
> wind;.
> > Old: /tim n F klFmbd up H sAgiN steps n lUkt in H
> windO.
> > 2. We saw boxes and dusty tables. We walked in.
> > New: wI sO boksxz n dustI tEbxlz. wI wOkt in.
> > Old: wI sY boksaz n dustI tEbalz. wI wYkt in.
> > 3. The creaking made us afraid. Tim felt a tapping
> on his head.
> > New: H krIkiN mEd us xfrEd. /tim felt x tapiN on
> hiz hed.
> > Old: H krIkiN mEd us afrEd. /tim felt a tApiN on
> hiz hed.
> > 4. Then a big blob chased us out of the house!
> > New: Hen x big blOb cEst us qt v H hqs!
> > Old: Hen a big blYb cEst us Qt v H hQs!
> > 5. I screamed and woke up. Mom hugged me and
> tucked me in again.
> > 6. It was only a dream.
> >
> > As you can see for a minimal difference in output,
> you gain a much
> > easier to remember and use Keyboard mapping.
> >
> > Regards, Paul V.
> > P.S. It surprizing how seldom the Oil Vowel sound
> is used in English.
> > It is one of the most underused English Vowel
> sounds.
> >
>
______________________attached_______________________
> > --- In shawalphabet@yahoogroups.com, "paul
> vandenbrink"
> > <pvandenbrink11@h...> wrote:
> > > Here are some Sample Sentences using both the
> Old Shavian Keyboard
> >
> > > Mapping and the New alternate Shaw keyboard
> mapping.
> > >
> > > OLD -> H kwik brQn foks Jumpt OvD a lEzI dYg.
> > >
> > > NEW -> H kwik brqn foks jumpt ;vD x lEzI dOg.
> > >
> > > OLD -> H tFm hAz kum fP Yl gUd men t kum t H Ed
> v H pRtI.
> > >
> > > NEW -> H tAm haz kum f[ Ol gUd men t kum t H Ed
> v H pRtI.
> > >
> > > OLD -> /pItD /pFpD pikt a pek v pikald pepxz.
> > >
> > > NEW -> /pItD /pApD pikt a pek v pikald pep+z.
> > >
> > > As you can easily see, Overall the differences
> in the text is
> > minimal.
> > > In the moste common case, the change is just the
> substitution of
> > the
> > > Old Capital letter with the same letter in Lower
> Case.
> > >
> > > Regards, Paul V.
> > >
> > > --- In shawalphabet@yahoogroups.com, "paul
> vandenbrink"
> > > <pvandenbrink11@h...> wrote:
> > > > Here is a list of the proposed tweaks to take
> advantage of some
> > un-
> > > > used Keys on a typical Qwerty Keyboar
> >
> > d.
> > > > As you can see these changes do not make The
> Shavian Keyboard
> > conform
> > > > more closely to the Roman Alphabet. Instead it
> opens up some of
> > the
> > > > current clastrophobic correspondences, and
> make the Keyboard much
> >
> > > > easier to use to input Shavian letters.
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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