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F enJq studIN laNgweJuz. F alsO luv /mF /fX /lEdI. bIkyz uv H latx wun F styrted tEkIN nOts in F.p.E. (intxnaSunul funetik alfabet). fxTx studIN uv /Sy led mI to His alfabet. az in F.p.E, /SEvIun kan rIvIl sumwun'z dFulekt -- vxI fun!

/kevin

On Sat, 19 May 2001 18:58:07 +0100 "Hugh Birkenhead" <mixsynth@... <mailto:mixsynth@...> > writes:

wX did V fFnd Qt abQt H Alfabet? woz it TrM hC P from /AndraklIz /n /H /lFan?


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On 5/19/01 at 9:46 PM sdkilbourn@... wrote:

>Can someone please tell me why some of the stuff that is in this
>group is in a proper Shavian font on my computer, and some of it
>isn't. The stuff that isn't is just a bunch of garbled Roman
>characters.

You might need more than one font, perhaps?

D.M.Falk






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Lee -

I'm as new to this group as you are, but I will venture an opinion on your Gettysburg Address in spite of that. I assume your message was sent wanting some feedback.

I too am a Mac person, so I know how it feels to be left out of the action by all the Windows types. I envy your emulator. I have a DOS emulator, but not a Windows one.

I myself have created a little True Basic program to change Shavian back into an ersatz phonetic English, thus allowing me to quickly critique my Shavian work (and others). I wish I knew enough write a program to translate in the other direction, but then, I'd never learn the forms, I'd just let the machine do it.

Here's what I think about the Address translation (although I not really sure whether I'm critiqueing your talents, or the Rosetta program's)

First, liNkun's name is not "LinG-kun" unless maybe you are from Lon-G Island or Philadelphia.

fYrskYr, seems to me to be inappropriate, unless it was Franklin Delano Roosevelt giving the speech. I would say fPskP. This not only saves 2 key strokes, but produces the sound "four" instead of "fawr".

Where you do want the "Y" sound would be "cause", which your text renders kos.

The word sevun brings up a point that runs continuously through the translation: the substitution of the u sound for the e sound or similar sounds. This produces a rather dullard tone to the speech: "guhvernmuhnt" instead of "guvernment"; "dedUHkate" instead of "dedekate"; and writing un where in should be makes "in" into ""un."

When you write the English "are" as or it reads to me "or". How about just plain R ?

And when you mean "or", but write Yr it sounds like "awr", where the one-stroke P is all that's needed.

Likewise, writing jirz makes me think "yi-ers" when writing jCz saves a stroke and makes me think "y-ears."

The indefinite article "a" which you transcribe as u is - at least in my reading of Androcles and later texts- by convention or tradition always written a.

The word lFv should be liv. ("live" with a short i)

The word Qx should be QD (according to Androcles, at least.) Following the same source, hir
should read hC.

Finally, the text doesn't contain any "namer marks", so all capital letter indications are missing.

I didn't set out to be hypercritical, but more to sharpen my own skills. Any feedback will be appreciated.


- /bob /mek/brMm
- Bob McBroom



My name's Lee and I'm new to this Shavian eGroup. The following is my try at Shavian, also attached is a pdf file in case you can't read the LionsPaw font, hope this helps.

I've also tried to read the web pages that Scott Harrison put up, at http://www.mithrandir.com but can't figure out how to get his unicode fonts to work on my Mac.

Scott Harrison, if you see this, I'd really like to view your web pages if you can give me some pointers on how to get the fonts to display on my Mac. I only get question marks. I wrote you before, but didn't get a response. Write me at leehickenlooper@....

I used a modified CMU dictionary and Andy Callaway's Rosetta phonic translator on my Mac, running a emulator called Virtual PC with Windows 98. Andy's Beta Rosetta program seems to work fine! I just wish I could translate native on the Mac, but can't find anyone yet who will share or sell their Macintosh translation program to me.

So here goes:


liNkunz Adres At getIzbxg, 1863


fYrskYr n sevun jirz ugO Qx foHxz brYt fYrT on His kontununt u nM nESun, kunsIvd un libxtI n dedukEtud t H propuziSun HAt Yl men or krIEtud Ikwul.


nQ wI or engEJd un u grEt sivul wYr, testiN weHx HAt nESun Yr enI nESun sO kunsIvd n sO dedukEtud kAn lYN endjUr. wI or met on u grEt bAtul fIld v HAt wYr. wI hAv kum t dedukEt u pYrSun v HAt fIld, Az u fFnul restiN-plEs fYr HOz hM hir gEv Her livz HAt HAt nESun mFt lFv. it iz YltugeHx fitiN n propx HAt wI SUd dM His.

but, un u lorJx sens, wI kAn not dedukEt --- wI kAn not konsukrEt --- wI kAn not hAlO --- His grQnd. H brEv men, liviN n ded, hM struguld hir, hAv konsukrEtud it, for ubuv Qx pUr pQx t Ad Yr dutrAkt. H wxld wil litul nOt, nYr lYN rumembx, wut wI sE hir, but it kAn nevx fxget wut HE did hir. it iz fYr us H liviN, rAHx, t bI dedukEtud hir t H unfiniSt wxk wic HE hM fYt hir hAv Hus for sO noblI udvAnst. it iz rAHx fYr us t bI hir dedukEtud t H grEt tAsk rumEniN bufYr us --- HAt frum HIz onxd ded wI tEk inkrIst divOSun t HAt koz fYr wic HE gEv H lAst fUl meZx v divOSun --- HAt wI hir hFlI rIzolv HAt HIz ded SAl not hAv dFd un vEn --- HAt His nESun, undx god, SAl hAv u nM bxT v frIdum --- n HAt guvxmunt v H pIpul, bF H pIpul, fYr H pIpul, SAl not periS frum H xT.


EbruhAm liNkun

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Lincoln's Address at Gettysburg, 1863

Four score and seven years ago our fathers brought forth on this continent a new nation, conceived in liberty and dedicated to the proposition that all men are created equal.

Now we are engaged in a great civil war, testing whether that nation or any nation so conceived and so dedicated can long endure. We are met on a great battle field of that war. We have come to dedicate a portion of that field, as a final resting-place for those who here gave their lives that that nation might live. It is altogether fitting and proper that we should do this.

But, in a larger sense, we can not dedicate --- we can not consecrate --- we can not hallow --- this ground. The brave men, living and dead, who struggled here, have consecrated it, far above our poor power to add or detract. The world will little note, nor long remember, what we say here, but it can never forget what they did here. It is for us the living, rather, to be dedicated here to the unfinished work which they who fought here have thus far so nobly advanced. It is rather for us to be here dedicated to the great task remaining before us --- that from these honored dead we take increased devotion to that cause for which they gave the last full measure of devotion --- that we here highly resolve that these dead shall not have died in vain --- that this nation, under God, shall have a new birth of freedom --- and that government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth.

Abraham Lincoln

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Rob,

While you are of course completely correct on all the points you mentioned, it is little or nothing to do with the person who had the text transliterated. Rosetta uses the American English CMU dictionary, which was not built specifically for Shavian and its ingenious touches, such as compound vowels, namer dot It uses 'roll' to rhoticise instead. It also does not distinguish between 'up' and 'ado'.

Hugh B


----- Original Message -----
From: Robert McBroom <mailto:info@...>
To: shavian@... <mailto:shavian@...>
Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2001 5:35 PM
Subject: Re: [shavian] Shavian transcription needed

Lee -

I'm as new to this group as you are, but I will venture an opinion on your Gettysburg Address in spite of that. I assume your message was sent wanting some feedback.

I too am a Mac person, so I know how it feels to be left out of the action by all the Windows types. I envy your emulator. I have a DOS emulator, but not a Windows one.

I myself have created a little True Basic program to change Shavian back into an ersatz phonetic English, thus allowing me to quickly critique my Shavian work (and others). I wish I knew enough write a program to translate in the other direction, but then, I'd never learn the forms, I'd just let the machine do it.

Here's what I think about the Address translation (although I not really sure whether I'm critiqueing your talents, or the Rosetta program's)

First, liNkun's name is not "LinG-kun" unless maybe you are from Lon-G Island or Philadelphia.

fYrskYr, seems to me to be inappropriate, unless it was Franklin Delano Roosevelt giving the speech. I would say fPskP. This not only saves 2 key strokes, but produces the sound "four" instead of "fawr".

Where you do want the "Y" sound would be "cause", which your text renders kos.

The word sevun brings up a point that runs continuously through the translation: the substitution of the u sound for the e sound or similar sounds. This produces a rather dullard tone to the speech: "guhvernmuhnt" instead of "guvernment"; "dedUHkate" instead of "dedekate"; and writing un where in should be makes "in" into ""un."

When you write the English "are" as or it reads to me "or". How about just plain R ?

And when you mean "or", but write Yr it sounds like "awr", where the one-stroke P is all that's needed.

Likewise, writing jirz makes me think "yi-ers" when writing jCz saves a stroke and makes me think "y-ears."

The indefinite article "a" which you transcribe as u is - at least in my reading of Androcles and later texts- by convention or tradition always written a.

The word lFv should be liv. ("live" with a short i)

The word Qx should be QD (according to Androcles, at least.) Following the same source, hir
should read hC.

Finally, the text doesn't contain any "namer marks", so all capital letter indications are missing.

I didn't set out to be hypercritical, but more to sharpen my own skills. Any feedback will be appreciated.


- /bob /mek/brMm
- Bob McBroom



My name's Lee and I'm new to this Shavian eGroup. The following is my try at Shavian, also attached is a pdf file in case you can't read the LionsPaw font, hope this helps.

I've also tried to read the web pages that Scott Harrison put up, at http://www.mithrandir.com but can't figure out how to get his unicode fonts to work on my Mac.

Scott Harrison, if you see this, I'd really like to view your web pages if you can give me some pointers on how to get the fonts to display on my Mac. I only get question marks. I wrote you before, but didn't get a response. Write me at leehickenlooper@....

I used a modified CMU dictionary and Andy Callaway's Rosetta phonic translator on my Mac, running a emulator called Virtual PC with Windows 98. Andy's Beta Rosetta program seems to work fine! I just wish I could translate native on the Mac, but can't find anyone yet who will share or sell their Macintosh translation program to me.

So here goes:


liNkunz Adres At getIzbxg, 1863


fYrskYr n sevun jirz ugO Qx foHxz brYt fYrT on His kontununt u nM nESun, kunsIvd un libxtI n dedukEtud t H propuziSun HAt Yl men or krIEtud Ikwul.


nQ wI or engEJd un u grEt sivul wYr, testiN weHx HAt nESun Yr enI nESun sO kunsIvd n sO dedukEtud kAn lYN endjUr. wI or met on u grEt bAtul fIld v HAt wYr. wI hAv kum t dedukEt u pYrSun v HAt fIld, Az u fFnul restiN-plEs fYr HOz hM hir gEv Her livz HAt HAt nESun mFt lFv. it iz YltugeHx fitiN n propx HAt wI SUd dM His.

but, un u lorJx sens, wI kAn not dedukEt --- wI kAn not konsukrEt --- wI kAn not hAlO --- His grQnd. H brEv men, liviN n ded, hM struguld hir, hAv konsukrEtud it, for ubuv Qx pUr pQx t Ad Yr dutrAkt. H wxld wil litul nOt, nYr lYN rumembx, wut wI sE hir, but it kAn nevx fxget wut HE did hir. it iz fYr us H liviN, rAHx, t bI dedukEtud hir t H unfiniSt wxk wic HE hM fYt hir hAv Hus for sO noblI udvAnst. it iz rAHx fYr us t bI hir dedukEtud t H grEt tAsk rumEniN bufYr us --- HAt frum HIz onxd ded wI tEk inkrIst divOSun t HAt koz fYr wic HE gEv H lAst fUl meZx v divOSun --- HAt wI hir hFlI rIzolv HAt HIz ded SAl not hAv dFd un vEn --- HAt His nESun, undx god, SAl hAv u nM bxT v frIdum --- n HAt guvxmunt v H pIpul, bF H pIpul, fYr H pIpul, SAl not periS frum H xT.


EbruhAm liNkun

[83%]
===

Lincoln's Address at Gettysburg, 1863

Four score and seven years ago our fathers brought forth on this continent a new nation, conceived in liberty and dedicated to the proposition that all men are created equal.

Now we are engaged in a great civil war, testing whether that nation or any nation so conceived and so dedicated can long endure. We are met on a great battle field of that war. We have come to dedicate a portion of that field, as a final resting-place for those who here gave their lives that that nation might live. It is altogether fitting and proper that we should do this.

But, in a larger sense, we can not dedicate --- we can not consecrate --- we can not hallow --- this ground. The brave men, living and dead, who struggled here, have consecrated it, far above our poor power to add or detract. The world will little note, nor long remember, what we say here, but it can never forget what they did here. It is for us the living, rather, to be dedicated here to the unfinished work which they who fought here have thus far so nobly advanced. It is rather for us to be here dedicated to the great task remaining before us --- that from these honored dead we take increased devotion to that cause for which they gave the last full measure of devotion --- that we here highly resolve that these dead shall not have died in vain --- that this nation, under God, shall have a new birth of freedom --- and that government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth.

Abraham Lincoln

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wat wud bI intxestIN iz E /SEvWn fYnt fP H /palm pFlut. anIwun hxd uv suc u HIN?

/kevin


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On Monday, May 21, 2001, at 03:34 , kevin e bullock wrote:



wat wud bI intxestIN iz E /SEvWn fYnt fP H /palm pFlut. anIwun hxd uv suc u HIN?

/kevin

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Sorry for Roman. Explanation towards the end.

I think that would be really interesting if you are able to allow someone to write in Shavian as well as read it. Reading provides useful practice, but being able to take notes in Shavian would be even better. Perhaps I can help in the project if people can provide me with information on:

(1) programming the Palm
(2) allowing an alternate input mechanism for the Palm (like writing in Japanese for example)

On another subject:

I would like to determine whether the list can read UTF-8 messages. These are mail messages that are encoded in Unicode's UTF-8 encoding scheme. This would allow us to mix Shavian and Roman (or anything we want) in the same mail message. And it would mean that we do not need to provide font information when sending mail. All that needs to happen is for us to make sure each of the mailers we use can process UTF-8 messages. I will be sending a message that is UTF-8 with some text in Shavian and Roman for people to give feedback.

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Scott Harrison

Hi,

This is a message that should contain both Roman and Shavian (encoded at the Unicode points that are currently used).

Lincoln's Gettysburg Address
Shavian Translation Copyright (c) 1999 by Scott M Harrison.

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The above message was primarily in Shavian. The question is whether it works with all mailers.

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/kevin





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----Original Message Follows----
From: "Hugh Birkenhead" <mixsynth@...>
Reply-To: shavian@...
To: <shavian@...>
Subject: Re: [shavian] Shavian, The list and me [font fix]
Date: Sat, 19 May 2001 11:51:50 +0100

d/V nO wot - F TiNk His mAn hAz hit H nEl on H hed. F'm SUD HX'z rMm in His
list fP kAZMal, infPmativ n amVziN diskuSan insted v H VZMal
fanetiks-rilEtid rAmbliN?

rFt, nQ it's bIn saJestid...

/mic, V sE V kAn hOst a diskuSan bPd on jP webspEs - wot diskuSan bPd softwX
R V TiNkiN v VziN? F hAv a pxfekt saJescan YlredI - gO t
www.fearfulsilence.co.uk n cek Qt H /fPam opSan on H left-hAnd menV. His iz,
F TiNk, a grEt fPmAt t Vz. if V'd lFk F'l ysk H sFt webmystD wic softwX it
iz n hQ t get it.

F TiNk HAt I-mEl lists lFk His wun kAnot rIalI rFval mesiJ bPdz, in txmz v
kapAsatI n YlsO H difDant topiks HAt pOsts kAn bI sPtid intM.

F plE kampVtD gEms (Az V mFt hAv figDd Qt from H websFt liNk F gEv V
abuv)!wot tFp v gEm iz /mist 3? At H mOmant F'm sumwot intM 1st-pxsan-SMtDz
lFk /unrIl /tUDnamant. in H pyst F hAv plEd plentI v /kwEk /2 Az wel.

/hV
----- Original Message -----
From: Mitch Morris
To: shavian@...
Sent: Friday, May 18, 2001 9:44 PM
Subject: [shavian] Shavian, The list and me [font fix]


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TOz mesiJ bPdz wX pIpul Just tYk AbQt stuf eksept Ql pOsts R in SavWn. F am
mP Han wiliN t hOst suc E bPd on mF web sFt if pIpul won. UHXwiz wI kud Just
Vz His list. nQ F wil stRt wun. EnI wun hC plE kompVtD gEmz? E Just got mist
3, wun Ysum game. enI wun wont t tYk abQt it?
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Scott,
I would love to be able to read this. I just get question marks. How do I
set up my Mac, system 9.1, IE browser and Entourage to read it? The IE
Browser I've set the prefs to UTF-8 but still can't read it there either.
Lee

> Hi,
>
> This is a message that should contain both Roman and Shavian
> (encoded at the Unicode points that are currently used).
>
> Lincoln's Gettysburg Address
> Shavian Translation Copyright (c) 1999 by Scott M Harrison.
>
> ·??????'? ·???????? ?????
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>
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>
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> ??? ??.
>
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> ? ?? ???.
>
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>
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>
> The above message was primarily in Shavian. The question is
> whether it works with all mailers.
>
> --
> Scott Harrison
>




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