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On Thursday, June 21, 2001, at 06:06 , cutler wrote:


I am using
Windows Millennium and this -apparently - advanced programme produces your
Unicode as a set of squares. Please tell this ignoramus what Unicode is.




I will try not to get to technical in describing Unicode, but if you really want to know what it is you might choose to visit http://www.unicode.org and find out almost all you will ever need to know about it.

Unicode is a definition of how to store characters for use by a computer. The reason Unicode was invented is because currently there are many conflicting standards of how one should store characters. For example, if someone in Japan were to create a computer text file and send it to someone in Germany, the German person may have a hard time trying to determine what the text file contains - and not because of a language barrier. The problem stems from the fact that it is most likely that the Japanese user and the German user each use a different standard for saving computer text. Unicode solves the standards problem by defining a standard that can handle all characters on the planet. This may not interest many people, but for people who are interested in creating documents that contain many languages or character sets, this is very important because Unicode ensures people in all countries can read the text (barring language barriers) as long as they have Unicode reading capability.

The reason Unicode is important to Shavian is because with Unicode we can create texts that have both Shavian and Roman characters in it and not have to worry about tricks used to present the data. In fact, we can put Shavian and Russian and Thai all in the same document and it is readable.

As for Windows Millenium, I can only say that I have been profoundly disappointed in the support for Unicode that I have seen on the Windows platform. I have confirmation from Netscape that 4.7 of their mail application does not support Unicode. I have found that most editors are not Unicode aware. I have done my best to help the Shavian community be able to make use of Unicode since that is the way we should be communicating in Shavian (in my opinion). However, the only Windows I have is Windows NT and I do not know what other versions of Windows require to be able to type Unicode.



I regret that I cannot believe that Esperanto will ever be universally used
as Dr Ludovic Zamenhof, its ingenious inventor, imagined it could. Esperanto
is an artificial language. Although it is based on word roots common to
all major European tongues and despite the sound basic theory for the need
for an international means of communication, Esperanto, like Volapük before
it, failed because it is an artificial language. Only enthusiasts who go
out of their way to make a special study of it, use it. Hope for its
survival has endured since 1887, but it becomes increasingly apparent that
even as an auxiliary language, an artificial language has even less chance
than Erse, Provencal, Koisan, Basque, Pedi, Armorican or Cymric of
continuing its existence.



I hate to diverge but comments: there are 32 times as many Esperanto speakers as there are Icelandic speakers in the world. There are many thriving Esperanto classes in schools throughout the world. The most likely reason besides some economics for Esperanto's failure to gain further acceptance was people associated it with a cult aspect when Esperantists started preaching about social reform a little after Esperanto was introduced. By the way, I know of many people from countries like Korea and China that learn Esperanto because it is easier to learn than English and they want to be able to talk to people from Europe and the Americas.



English is not an artificial language and reforms, which aid the teaching of
it - like the unambiguous Shavian Alphabet- should enhance its usefulness
if, like Esperanto, it is not to become the province of those who use it as
a game. I believe that, if used as teaching tool to second language learners
and children, it could be of use to the millions OBLIGED to use English if
they are to advance themselves in the world of which English has become the
lingua franca.



I love the fact that there will be no more "spelling bees" if we use Shavian. I am very good at spelling, but I hate to see people waste their time with it when minds can be put to so much better use.

I am actually interested in publishing material in a manner like Androcles and the Lion was published. I envision being able to provide documents in Unicode that contain both Shavian and Roman characters to help people learn Unicode. If anyone is interested or has any leads on ways to get things published cheaply please contact me.

--
Scott Harrison

Paige -

Thanks so much for taking such care perusing my nascent efforts in Shavian.

While I didn't consciously set out to "accurately depict my accent" , I was, I thought, trying to write English "az SI iz spOkd." But I guess we give ourselves away.

If I was 15 years younger, I would take up Quikscript too. As it is, the Shavian symbols are quite enough to master. And what I was really wondering was if the "old timers" in this group had experienced an increase in their writing speed - the way it was so optomistically predicted in the Androcles preface.

I know I have a long way to go before speed becomes even a possibility.

Your confusion has caused me some confusion too. If I wanted to write "hus" (rhyming with bus) wouldn't I use u? I do confess I went with the Androcles vowel, which may be a little hi-faluting for an American. Perhaps A would have been a more apple-pie choice, (Although I did err is writing s instead of z.)

I did deliberate on occur - and it's definitely not with and O. Merriam Webster's Third International concurs, and says the o is like the a's in banana. True, if you were going to say "occur" as a singular stentorian pronouncement, you might grandly say O-kx, with equal stress on both syllables, but in the context of a sentence, the vowel sound is really almost tossed off to get on with the second syllable and the O becomes o or maybe even as negligible as e.

I applied the same judgement to the word conference, which most people do pronounce konfrens, which didn't seem to cause you any problem (and that is the second pronunciation in my Webster's.)

Mind you, I think there are limits - I wouldn't write lFbXI for lFbrXI, though many people say it that way. People I don't admire.

As to the word old - I just goofed. It's definitely Old.

While I've got your atttention, let me ask how an American like you distinguishes R and D. When I try to distinguish the sound in the key word "ARRay" it just sounds like a quick dog growl - almost a sneeze. At best it sounds just like "ARE" R, but just unaccented, sloughed off. Does this really qualify it as a unique phoneme? How do you think of it?

There seems to be an ongoing debate in the group about the "need for a dictionary," and I'm too new at this to come down on one side or the other. But two things do seem clear: all our differences/ seem to boil down to a few vowels which are only subtly unique and still within the "ball park." We still know what is being communicated, for the most part, and we don't come up with words that sound like they were being pronounced by a Hottentot or Inspector Clouseau (sp?).

As our Tin Pan Alley so beautifully phrased it:

" V sE IHx n F sE FHx."

Secondly, it seems in these days of databases, a computerized dictionary that included all the variant spellings of a word (sort of "word clusters") would not be a difficult thing to produce. It wouldn't be like Webster's listings: "THE way to spell the word, followed by variant spellings, followed by dialectical variations, followed by common, low-class mis-spellings, etc....." It would be a democratic list, no spelling better than another - room for all (or most all).

- Bob


Bob:

You've expressed some interesting ideas about marketing Shavian.


Regarding the point that business men might like to use Shavian: As other people have stated here recently, Quikscript really works better aor handwriting as a form of shorthand than Shavian. It is much more cursive than Shavian -- the letters naturally join with each other so one can write faster as you do not have all the pen lifts you get in Shavian.


I used Quikscript in law school 15 years ago to take notes when the professors started talking too fast. Once I loaned my notes to a student who had missed a class, without considering that about a third of them were in Quikscript. The next day she gave them back with a comment along the lines of, "Thanks, but they didn't help me much. What is this anyway?" I explained it, but she showed no curiousity about learning it herself.


You live in New York. I grew up in southern Indiana near Kentucky. My accent is southern/midwestern. I had trouble reading your post due to some of the differences I note below. My question is was this intentional on your part and an accurate depiction of your accent?


I noticed that you seemed to consistently use "a" where I would have used "A." This makes for some strange words. For example, what I could only spell in Roman as "fud" for "fad" or "hus" for "has." The word "occurred" which I would start with "a" or possibly "O" you start with the vowel sound in "hot," namely: "o". Another example of the same usage: the word "old", which I pronounce with a long "o", you spelled not with "O" but with "o."

Since my usage of Mr. Reed's alphabets has been primarily limited to myself and a few letters years ago to penpals, I am curious whether these differences indicate more of a need for standardized spelling than I thought would be necessary.

Paige Gabhart


At 04:21 PM 6/14/2001 -0400, you wrote:


an anivxsDI lMmz


haz it okxd t aniwun Hat nekst jC mRks H 40T anivxsDI of dC old /andrOklIz?


fPtI! Just Hink v it! H /SEvWn /Alfabet, bPn in H daz of H kOld wR n hot led tFp, n nQ stil alFv in H EJ v glObalizESun, diJitFzd karaktxs n desktop publiSiN.

jet it sIms, in Yl HOz 40 jCs, nOwun haz fQnd a wE to distribMt, popVlDFz, - dX /F sE it alQd? - mRket His treZur.


/F nO Hat wI /amxikans R alwEs akVzd v trFiN t txn evriHiN into munI, but fP fOx dekEds "fET and gUd wxks" has not ben inuf to put /SEvWn bifP H Jenxal publik. Aftx almOst hAf a sencxi, His ekselent FdW stil lANwiSes in H hAndz v liNwists, dilatantz n eksentriks. (/F inklud mFself in HX sumwX).

sO hM iz QD mRket? /fP stRtxz, hQ abQt "/SEvCn: ekzekVtiv SPthand fP H OvD-wxked /c/I/O."


kant V sI H Adz in H /wal /strIt /JPnal?


rFt 30% les!
sE mP!

P

gO ahed, tEk nOts in Hat biznes mItiN



n stil kIp VD HYtz t VDself.


F kant spIk fP H rest v H planet, but hC in H /V/s/E, biznes tFps - espeSWli upx mAneJment - R alwEz tEkiN trEniN in sum nV fad - al on H JustifikESun Hat it wil inkrIs HX blesed "prOduktiviti."

tM krIEt HIz "/SEvWn /seminRs" al wun nIdz iz sum dIsent tIciN matxWlz (cRts, ovxhedz, wxkbUks, kwizez &) n a hotel konfrens rMm. v kRs, H AdvxtFziN wUd hav t inklMd tetimOnWls. aniwun Qt HX kX t rFt wun?

-bob mkbrMm


- Robert McBroom
Manager
Onteora Mountain House
Boiceville NY
845-657-6233




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- /bob /mk/brMm
/wUdstak /nV /jDk


"wun simpol iz az gUd Az anuHD prOvFdid
evriwun atAcez H sEm mIniN tM it."
- /gPJ /bxnRd /SY

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On Sunday, June 24, 2001, at 06:29 , Brent Edwards wrote:




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-- ?????



--
Scott Harrison

We've already established that most of us can't read this. Until someone finds a way, could this encoding not be avoided?

----- Original Message -----
From: Scott Harrison <mailto:scott_harrison@...>
To: shavian@... <mailto:shavian@...>
Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2001 4:04 PM
Subject: Re: [shavian] Hello from a new Shavian!

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On Sunday, June 24, 2001, at 06:29 , Brent Edwards wrote:




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???? ?? '?' ?????? ? '?' ?? ? ??? 'a' ???? ??? ?? ??? ?????? ????? ???????.



????, ? ???? ??? ????? ??? ? ????????? ?? ?? ?????, ?????????? ('?', '?', ? '?'), ? ?? ??? ?????. ??? ?? ??? ? ??????? ?? ???? ??????, ? ???.



??? ?? ??? ????? ? ???? ??? ??????. :-)



??????, ?? ? ??? ? ??? ??? ??????????? ?????? ? ????? ? ('?' ? '?'), ('?' ? '?'), ? ('?', '?', '?' ? '?'),



? ??? ????? ??? ????? ?? (note this spelling how 'too' differs from 'to') ??? ?? ? ???? ? ???.




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-- ?????



--
Scott Harrison



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dIr /SEvWn rIdrz,

F Am u nM /SEvWn rIdr; F hAv bIn rIdiN it fP u wIk. F rFt His letr nar rM
flEm, but t giv rIl wEz t imprMv it.

fxst, F fFnd sum letrz hRd t distiNwiS in mF rFtiN, pRtikVlRlI ('l', 'E',
n 'Q'), n TX mCP imajz. Hiz iz not u problem in tFpd /SEvWn, v kPs.

sekond, mI C hAz u hRd tFm distiNwiSiN bItwIn H sQndz v ('T' n 'H'), ('w'
n 'U'), n ('y', 'A', 'a' n 'u'),

Hxd, unlFk /frenc, /Jxman, n /cFnIz, /INliS duznt hAv An 'ukademI' in cRj
HAt kAn diktEt speliN P rFtiN sistm. Ivn HO u fOnetik rFtiN sistm mEkz
senz, it wUd bI tuf t konvinz Inuf pIpl t Vz it. it duz not sIm tM bI zO
muc betr Han regVlR /INliS speliN HAt menI pIpl wil switc.

HEnkz fP rIdiN!

-- brent



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I receive you as a row of question marks. The Shavian alphabet comes up perfectly on my Windows, so I imagine you have used some other code. Quentin Kyle c/o cutler@... <mailto:cutler@...>

----- Original Message -----
From: Brent Edwards <mailto:chipuni@...>
To: shavian@... <mailto:shavian@...>
Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2001 6:29 AM
Subject: [shavian] Hello from a new Shavian!

??? ?????? ?????,
? ?? ? ?? ?????? ????; ? ??? ??? ????? ?? ?? ? ???. ? ??? ??? ??????? ?? ????, ??? ? ??? ??? ??? ? ?????? ??.
????, ? ???? ??? ????? ??? ? ????????? ?? ?? ?????, ?????????? ('?','?', ? '?'), ? ?? ??? ?????. ??? ?? ??? ? ??????? ?? ???? ??????, ????.
??????, ?? ? ??? ? ??? ??? ??????????? ?????? ? ????? ? ('?' ? '?'),('?' ? '?'), ? ('?', '?', '?' ? '?'),
???, ????? ??????, ??????, ? ??????, ?????? ????? ??? ?? '???????' ????? ??? ??? ?????? ?????? ? ????? ?????. ??? ?? ? ??????? ????? ????????? ????, ?? ??? ?? ??? ? ??????? ???? ???? ? ?? ??. ?? ??? ??? ????? ?? ?? ??? ???? ??? ?????? ?????? ?????? ??? ???? ???? ??? ?????.
????? ?? ?????!
-- ?????


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I wonder if this will return to you in the form in which I receive it ... a row of question marks. Quentin Kyle. P.S. Are you able to make it work for Windows (Millennium) - Shavian comes out perfectly.

----- Original Message -----
From: Scott Harrison <mailto:scott_harrison@...>
To: shavian@... <mailto:shavian@...>
Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2001 5:04 PM
Subject: Re: [shavian] Hello from a new Shavian!

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On Sunday, June 24, 2001, at 06:29 , Brent Edwards wrote:




??? ?????? ?????,



?? ?? ????????? ??? ? ?? ??? ?? '?' ?? '????' ?? ? ??? ??????? ??.



? ?? ? ?? ?????? ????; ? ??? ??? ????? ?? ?? ? ???. ? ??? ??? ???? ??? ?? ????, ??? ? ??? ??? ??? ? ?????? ??.



???? ?? '?' ?????? ? '?' ?? ? ??? 'a' ???? ??? ?? ??? ?????? ????? ???????.



????, ? ???? ??? ????? ??? ? ????????? ?? ?? ?????, ?????????? ('?', '?', ? '?'), ? ?? ??? ?????. ??? ?? ??? ? ??????? ?? ???? ??????, ? ???.



??? ?? ??? ????? ? ???? ??? ??????. :-)



??????, ?? ? ??? ? ??? ??? ??????????? ?????? ? ????? ? ('?' ? '?'), ('?' ? '?'), ? ('?', '?', '?' ? '?'),



? ??? ????? ??? ????? ?? (note this spelling how 'too' differs from 'to') ??? ?? ? ???? ? ???.




???, ????? ??????, ??????, ? ??????, ?????? ????? ??? ?? '???????' ?? ??? ??? ??? ?????? ?????? ? ????? ?????. ??? ?? ? ??????? ????? ????? ???? ????, ?? ??? ?? ??? ? ??????? ???? ???? ? ?? ??. ?? ??? ??? ??? ?? ?? ?? ??? ???? ??? ?????? ?????? ?????? ??? ???? ???? ??? ?????.



?? ?? ????, ??? ?? ??? ?? ? ???????. ???? ?? ?? ?????? ?? ?????? ?? ??? ???? ??.




????? ?? ?????!

-- ?????



--
Scott Harrison



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From Quentin Kyle c/o cutler@... t <mailto:cutler@...  to> o Paige Gabhart

hQ dU V dU? I have read your observations with great interest.

I am new to the Shavian Alphabet and need guidance. For instance, I do not know when to use P or when to use Y; x and D also confuse me; does one write hamper as hampx or as hampD or even as hampa?

Some of your members think Shavian spelling should not be standardized; it would be unusable to me, if it were not. I am not studying the possibilities of Shaw’s Alphabet to write fast or save space, nor am I interested in it as a pastime or game. To me the prime use of Shavian is to teach standard pronunciation to second language learners. I live in a country where there are eleven official languages with only English as its lingua franca. English is mispronounced by 93% of the population. If communication is to be accurate, standard pronunciation is essential. This means that, if Shavian is to be useful … instead of just a sophisticated game that allows one the amusement of seeing different accents from all over the world in print, the spelling must be standardised for purposes of teaching. Even the abbreviations could not be used if one is to accurately show the difference sound of the before a vowel ( T eg) and before a consonant (H hAn).

I propose using a video or computer programme to show the 48 characters required for standard English, with the sound they each represent. (Does anyone have a better idea?) After the learner has mastered the shape of the character and the sound it represents, he would be presented with the Shavian character UNDER the words printed in the traditional English alphabet. This would obviate his having to learn the thousand odd phonemes that make writing and reading English so difficult. The student would immediately SEE the variations on themes such as ‘ough’ in:


though through thought thorough rough bough dough cough


TO TrU Tyt Tux ruf bQ dO kof

He would know that the last e of epitome is sounded and that of tome, silent, and be unhampered, when reading, by different spellings adding up to the same sounds as in: Height, bite, byte, knight, and know that sleight rhymes with site and sleigh with hay.

Since the universally standardized spelling is that of the Oxford English Dictionary, the OED’s pronunciations are those I shall take as the standard ones.

For my purpose, there would be no point in teaching the Shavian alphabet unless its spelling is standardized. Poor pronunciation is like bad handwriting; it fails to get the message across. In this country there are so many diverse and incorrect pronunciations that a newscaster will say “The consumers were bold”, giving the impression of protesting consumers, when he meant: “the consumers were billed.” If newsreaders mispronounce, one may imagine what less well-educated people do to the language.

There is a further difficulty for the foreigner that is not solved by the Shavian symbols: how does one indicate where the accent lies? How do you distinguish between pronunciation of frequent as a verb and as an adjective? Ambiguities of English spelling and pronunciation go beyond the alphabet; how would one know that the accent in phoneme is on the first syllable, yet in phonetic, the second? One of your members suggests that we use bold print for the stress. fonIm and fonetic,

frIkwent and frekwent ? /perhaps!

Please cast your ideas through the ether and onto my screen. Your corrections would be most welcome. Quentin.

----- Original Message -----
From: Paige Gabhart <mailto:pgabhart@...>
To: shavian@... <mailto:shavian@...>
Sent: Friday, June 15, 2001 2:22 AM
Subject: Re: [shavian] an anivxsDI lMmz

Bob:

You've expressed some interesting ideas about marketing Shavian.

Regarding the point that business men might like to use Shavian: As other people have stated here recently, Quikscript really works better for handwriting as a form of shorthand than Shavian. It is much more cursive than Shavian -- the letters naturally join with each other so one can write faster as you do not have all the pen lifts you get in Shavian.

I used Quikscript in law school 15 years ago to take notes when the professors started talking too fast. Once I loaned my notes to a student who had missed a class, without considering that about a third of them were in Quikscript. The next day she gave them back with a comment along the lines of, "Thanks, but they didn't help me much. What is this anyway?" I explained it, but she showed no curiousity about learning it herself.

You live in New York. I grew up in southern Indiana near Kentucky. My accent is southern/midwestern. I had trouble reading your post due to some of the differences I note below. My question is was this intentional on your part and an accurate depiction of your accent?

I noticed that you seemed to consistently use "a" where I would have used "A." This makes for some strange words. For example, what I could only spell in Roman as "fud" for "fad" or "hus" for "has." The word "occurred" which I would start with "a" or possibly "O" you start with the vowel sound in "hot," namely: "o". Another example of the same usage: the word "old", which I pronounce with a long "o", you spelled not with "O" but with "o."

Since my usage of Mr. Reed's alphabets has been primarily limited to myself and a few letters years ago to penpals, I am curious whether these differences indicate more of a need for standardized spelling than I thought would be necessary.

Paige Gabhart


At 04:21 PM 6/14/2001 -0400, you wrote:


an anivxsDI lMmz

haz it okxd t aniwun Hat nekst jC mRks H 40T anivxsDI of dC old /andrOklIz?

fPtI! Just Hink v it! H /SEvWn /Alfabet, bPn in H daz of H kOld wR n hot led tFp, n nQ stil alFv in H EJ v glObalizESun, diJitFzd karaktxs n desktop publiSiN.

jet it sIms, in Yl HOz 40 jCs, nOwun haz fQnd a wE to distribMt, popVlDFz, - dX /F sE it alQd? - mRket His treZur.

/F nO Hat wI /amxikans R alwEs akVzd v trFiN t txn evriHiN into munI, but fP fOx dekEds "fET and gUd wxks" has not ben inuf to put /SEvWn bifP H Jenxal publik. Aftx almOst hAf a sencxi, His ekselent FdW stil lANwiSes in H hAndz v liNwists, dilatantz n eksentriks. (/F inklud mFself in HX sumwX).

sO hM iz QD mRket? /fP stRtxz, hQ abQt "/SEvCn: ekzekVtiv SPthand fP H OvD-wxked /c/I/O."

kant V sI H Adz in H /wal /strIt /JPnal?


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n stil kIp VD HYtz t VDself.

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tM krIEt HIz "/SEvWn /seminRs" al wun nIdz iz sum dIsent tIciN matxWlz (cRts, ovxhedz, wxkbUks, kwizez &) n a hotel konfrens rMm. v kRs, H AdvxtFziN wUd hav t inklMd tetimOnWls. aniwun Qt HX kX t rFt wun?

-bob mkbrMm


- Robert McBroom
Manager
Onteora Mountain House
Boiceville NY
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Just a row of ???????comes to me through the ether from you. Sorry. I'm sure they contain a profound message, so could you send them another way? Roman does admirably and so does Shavian on my Windows Millenium programme. Quentin Kyle c/o cutler@... <mailto:cutler@...>

----- Original Message -----
From: Brent Edwards <mailto:chipuni@...>
To: shavian@... <mailto:shavian@...>
Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2001 6:29 AM
Subject: [shavian] Hello from a new Shavian!

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