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an anivxsDI lMmz


haz it okxd t aniwun Hat nekst jC mRks H 40T anivxsDI of dC old /andrOklIz?


fPtI! Just Hink v it! H /SEvWn /Alfabet, bPn in H daz of H kOld wR n hot led tFp, n nQ stil alFv in H EJ v glObalizESun, diJitFzd karaktxs n desktop publiSiN.


jet it sIms, in Yl HOz 40 jCs, nOwun haz fQnd a wE to distribMt, popVlDFz, - dX /F sE it alQd? - mRket His treZur.


/F nO Hat wI /amxikans R alwEs akVzd v trFiN t txn evriHiN into munI, but fP fOx dekEds "fET and gUd wxks" has not ben inuf to put /SEvWn bifP H Jenxal publik. Aftx almOst hAf a sencxi, His ekselent FdW stil lANwiSes in H hAndz v liNwists, dilatantz n eksentriks. (/F inklud mFself in HX sumwX).


sO hM iz QD mRket? /fP stRtxz, hQ abQt "/SEvCn: ekzekVtiv SPthand fP H OvD-wxked /c/I/O."


kant V sI H Adz in H /wal /strIt /JPnal?


rFt 30% les!
sE mP!


P


gO ahed, tEk nOts in Hat biznes mItiN


n stil kIp VD HYtz t VDself.


F kant spIk fP H rest v H planet, but hC in H /V/s/E, biznes tFps - espeSWli upx mAneJment - R alwEz tEkiN trEniN in sum nV fad - al on H JustifikESun Hat it wil inkrIs HX blesed "prOduktiviti."


tM krIEt HIz "/SEvWn /seminRs" al wun nIdz iz sum dIsent tIciN matxWlz (cRts, ovxhedz, wxkbUks, kwizez &) n a hotel konfrens rMm. v kRs, H AdvxtFziN wUd hav t inklMd tetimOnWls. aniwun Qt HX kX t rFt wun?


-bob mkbrMm


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Bob:

You've expressed some interesting ideas about marketing Shavian.

Regarding the point that business men might like to use Shavian: As other people have stated here recently, Quikscript really works better for handwriting as a form of shorthand than Shavian. It is much more cursive than Shavian -- the letters naturally join with each other so one can write faster as you do not have all the pen lifts you get in Shavian.

I used Quikscript in law school 15 years ago to take notes when the professors started talking too fast. Once I loaned my notes to a student who had missed a class, without considering that about a third of them were in Quikscript. The next day she gave them back with a comment along the lines of, "Thanks, but they didn't help me much. What is this anyway?" I explained it, but she showed no curiousity about learning it herself.

You live in New York. I grew up in southern Indiana near Kentucky. My accent is southern/midwestern. I had trouble reading your post due to some of the differences I note below. My question is was this intentional on your part and an accurate depiction of your accent?

I noticed that you seemed to consistently use "a" where I would have used "A." This makes for some strange words. For example, what I could only spell in Roman as "fud" for "fad" or "hus" for "has." The word "occurred" which I would start with "a" or possibly "O" you start with the vowel sound in "hot," namely: "o". Another example of the same usage: the word "old", which I pronounce with a long "o", you spelled not with "O" but with "o."

Since my usage of Mr. Reed's alphabets has been primarily limited to myself and a few letters years ago to penpals, I am curious whether these differences indicate more of a need for standardized spelling than I thought would be necessary.

Paige Gabhart


At 04:21 PM 6/14/2001 -0400, you wrote:


an anivxsDI lMmz

haz it okxd t aniwun Hat nekst jC mRks H 40T anivxsDI of dC old /andrOklIz?

fPtI! Just Hink v it! H /SEvWn /Alfabet, bPn in H daz of H kOld wR n hot led tFp, n nQ stil alFv in H EJ v glObalizESun, diJitFzd karaktxs n desktop publiSiN.

jet it sIms, in Yl HOz 40 jCs, nOwun haz fQnd a wE to distribMt, popVlDFz, - dX /F sE it alQd? - mRket His treZur.

/F nO Hat wI /amxikans R alwEs akVzd v trFiN t txn evriHiN into munI, but fP fOx dekEds "fET and gUd wxks" has not ben inuf to put /SEvWn bifP H Jenxal publik. Aftx almOst hAf a sencxi, His ekselent FdW stil lANwiSes in H hAndz v liNwists, dilatantz n eksentriks. (/F inklud mFself in HX sumwX).

sO hM iz QD mRket? /fP stRtxz, hQ abQt "/SEvCn: ekzekVtiv SPthand fP H OvD-wxked /c/I/O."

kant V sI H Adz in H /wal /strIt /JPnal?


rFt 30% les!
sE mP!

P

gO ahed, tEk nOts in Hat biznes mItiN


n stil kIp VD HYtz t VDself.

F kant spIk fP H rest v H planet, but hC in H /V/s/E, biznes tFps - espeSWli upx mAneJment - R alwEz tEkiN trEniN in sum nV fad - al on H JustifikESun Hat it wil inkrIs HX blesed "prOduktiviti."

tM krIEt HIz "/SEvWn /seminRs" al wun nIdz iz sum dIsent tIciN matxWlz (cRts, ovxhedz, wxkbUks, kwizez &) n a hotel konfrens rMm. v kRs, H AdvxtFziN wUd hav t inklMd tetimOnWls. aniwun Qt HX kX t rFt wun?

-bob mkbrMm


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Manager
Onteora Mountain House
Boiceville NY
845-657-6233



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HAt's strEnJ - F kAn sI H /SEvIan kAraktDz on mF skrIn nQ wXAz in H pyst HE'v SOd up Az kwescan mRks...

hQ mFt F mEk Vs v H /VnikOd /SEvIan font in mF rFtiNz? F'm runiN /windOz 98. F rIalI wUd luv t mEk Vs v it!

----- Original Message -----
From: Brion L. VIBBER <mailto:brion@...>
To: shavian@... <mailto:shavian@...>
Sent: Friday, June 15, 2001 9:27 PM
Subject: [shavian] Androcles trustee's edition

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(helO evrIwan. F waz lUkIN fP a kopI v /AndraklEz /n /H /lFan in SEvWn n kEm akros a kopI v H crustIz ediSan fP TxtI pQndz. HAtz tM ric fP mF pP wylat, but F Tot uHxz mFt want t nM.)

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Hugh Birkenhead skribis:
> hQ mFt F mEk Vs v H /VnikOd /SEvIan font in mF rFtiNz? F'm runiN /windOz 98. F rIalI wUd luv t mEk Vs v it!

[unicode] ?? ????? ??? ????, ?'? ??? ?????? ? ???? ? ???? ??????? ?? http://moisty.org/shavian/unicode.php <http://moisty.org/shavian/unicode.php> ??? ? ??? ??? ? ???? ????. ??? ?? ?? ?? ?? ???? (? ???)...

[lionspaw] if nutIN els wxks, F'v put tOgeHx a kwik n dxtI kanvxtx At http://moisty.org/shavian/unicode.php <http://moisty.org/shavian/unicode.php> HAt V kAn kut n pEst frum. let mI nO if it wxks (P not)...

Also, see Scott's page http://www.mithrandir.com/Shavian/Shavian.html <http://www.mithrandir.com/Shavian/Shavian.html> for some links to some Unicode editors; but I don't know how unwieldy it is to use them directly without a keyboard driver, which doesn't appear to be available for Win98 so far.

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On Sunday, June 17, 2001, at 01:55 , Brion L. VIBBER wrote:



Hugh Birkenhead skribis:
> hQ mFt F mEk Vs v H /VnikOd /SEvIan font in mF rFtiNz? F'm runiN /windOz 98. F rIalI wUd luv t mEk Vs v it!

[unicode] ?? ????? ??? ????, ?'? ??? ?????? ? ???? ? ???? ??????? ?? http://moisty.org/shavian/unicode.php ??? ? ??? ??? ? ???? ????. ??? ?? ?? ?? ?? ???? (? ???)...

[lionspaw] if nutIN els wxks, F'v put tOgeHx a kwik n dxtI kanvxtx At http://moisty.org/shavian/unicode.php HAt V kAn kut n pEst frum. let mI nO if it wxks (P not)...

Also, see Scott's page http://www.mithrandir.com/Shavian/Shavian.html for some links to some Unicode editors; but I don't know how unwieldy it is to use them directly without a keyboard driver, which doesn't appear to be available for Win98 so far.

-- ????? ???? (brion@... / vibber@...)




Does the Unicode driver I created on NT work on Windows 98? It is also on my page. I only have NT so cannot test it on other Windows platforms.

--Scott

Je Sabato, la 16a de Junio 2001 06:06 pm, vi skribis:
> Does the Unicode driver I created on NT work on Windows 98? It is also
> on my page. I only have NT so cannot test it on other Windows platforms.

I don't think so. Windows 98 uses a different system for the keyboard drivers
- they're all .kbd files, a few hundred bytes long, and certainly not DLLs -
so I can't even find a way to drop it into the system. Of course, if
Microsoft had made Win95 the last vestige of the 16-bit Windows lineage like
they'd originally planned, we wouldn't have this problem, everybody using
Windows would be using a version of NT by now. >:/

Oh by the way, I figured out the problem with the font - I was installing the
Unicode-ONLY font, which naturally didn't have any Roman characters. (Whoops)
I installed cshaw2b.ttf, and it works fine. (Though it has a 0 where / should
be, which is a little odd.)

-- brion vibber (brion@... / vibber@...)



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Hi,

Just a note to all those who were unaware, that the Shavian *message boards*
are now up and running. They can be accessed at this address:

http://www.shavian.f2s.com/cgi-bin/ikonboard/ikonboard.cgi

Be aware you need the *Lionspaw* font installed to use them.

I'm hoping the boards will bring together this little 'community' we have
here. Do give them a try - they're still under development, so I will need
feedback to make them work even better for everyone.

Thanks,
Hugh




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The zero and slash have been corrected. Sorry about that.

--Phil

-----Originala Mesajxo-----
De: Brion L. VIBBER <brion@...>
Al: shavian@... <shavian@...>
Dato: Dimancxo 17a de junio 2001 4:30 atm
Temo: Re: [shavian] Androcles trustee's edition


> <snip>
>
>Oh by the way, I figured out the problem with the font - I was installing
the
>Unicode-ONLY font, which naturally didn't have any Roman characters.
(Whoops)
>I installed cshaw2b.ttf, and it works fine. (Though it has a 0 where /
should
>be, which is a little odd.)
>
>-- brion vibber (brion@... / vibber@...)





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The Shavian Alphabet was thought up by George Bernard Shaw to make
communication easier and preserve the classics when Shakespeare becomes as
remote to future generations as Chaucer is now. What, I wonder, would he
think of all the mad initials that have come to cloud communication of every
kind, when in his day Esq., was as much as people would accept. Shaw was
very, very well known and famous enough to be a household word, by the time
he became known as G.B.S. Intitials have, since, become a new language.
How arrogant to imagine that everyone has the patience to learn them. One
could as easily acquire a splendid new word with a real meaning. Nothing in
Monsieur Vibber's message means anything to anyone, like myself, who is
unprepared to explore the meaning of things like NT, DLL, ttf., ita,
IPA,CSIR. Perhaps most people know what IRS, FBI, AIDS & CIA stand for, but
it is a complete waste of overburdened brain-power to go on bothering about
every little organisation that is giving itself a set of initials instead
of a decent name. I noted the decline of a documentary film company that
called itself RDL; that pulled itself back onto the market by changing the
name to Raintree. One remembers Raintree, but cannot think of the sequence
of RDL.If it is too much trouble to write the whole name, Windows 95 & 98
have an excellent MACRO control that will do it for you. I am using
Windows Millennium and this -apparently - advanced programme produces your
Unicode as a set of squares. Please tell this ignoramus what Unicode is.

I regret that I cannot believe that Esperanto will ever be universally used
as Dr Ludovic Zamenhof, its ingenious inventor, imagined it could. Esperanto
is an artificial language. Although it is based on word roots common to
all major European tongues and despite the sound basic theory for the need
for an international means of communication, Esperanto, like Volapük before
it, failed because it is an artificial language. Only enthusiasts who go
out of their way to make a special study of it, use it. Hope for its
survival has endured since 1887, but it becomes increasingly apparent that
even as an auxiliary language, an artificial language has even less chance
than Erse, Provencal, Koisan, Basque, Pedi, Armorican or Cymric of
continuing its existence.
English is not an artificial language and reforms, which aid the teaching of
it - like the unambiguous Shavian Alphabet- should enhance its usefulness
if, like Esperanto, it is not to become the province of those who use it as
a game. I believe that, if used as teaching tool to second language learners
and children, it could be of use to the millions OBLIGED to use English if
they are to advance themselves in the world of which English has become the
lingua franca.
Do forgive my ignorance. Regards Quentin Kyle C/o cutler@....
----- Original Message -----
From: "Brion L. VIBBER" <brion@...>
To: <shavian@...>
Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2001 10:32 AM
Subject: Re: [shavian] Androcles trustee's edition


> Je Sabato, la 16a de Junio 2001 06:06 pm, vi skribis:
> > Does the Unicode driver I created on NT work on Windows 98? It is also
> > on my page. I only have NT so cannot test it on other Windows
platforms.
>
> I don't think so. Windows 98 uses a different system for the keyboard
drivers
> - they're all .kbd files, a few hundred bytes long, and certainly not
DLLs -
> so I can't even find a way to drop it into the system. Of course, if
> Microsoft had made Win95 the last vestige of the 16-bit Windows lineage
like
> they'd originally planned, we wouldn't have this problem, everybody using
> Windows would be using a version of NT by now. >:/
>
> Oh by the way, I figured out the problem with the font - I was installing
the
> Unicode-ONLY font, which naturally didn't have any Roman characters.
(Whoops)
> I installed cshaw2b.ttf, and it works fine. (Though it has a 0 where /
should
> be, which is a little odd.)
>
> -- brion vibber (brion@... / vibber@...)
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>




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