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From: m. vero
Date: 2002-02-04 22:09:19 #
Subject: [shavian] (unknown)

230.99 a kors in mirakulz nOts az quOts:

e Onli purpos v a kors in mirakulz

iz t provId a wA in wich som pEpul

wil be Abul t fInd ther On internal tEcher.

H Onli pxpos v a kPs in mCakalz

iz t provFd a wE in wic som pIpal

wil bI Ebal t fFnd HX On intxnal tIcD.

nothing rEl kan be thretend.

nothing unrEl xists

hErin lIz e pEs v god.

noTiN rIl kAn bI Tretend.

noTiN unrIl ekzists

hCin lFz H pEs v god.

e kors in mirakulz iz but wun verzhon

v e Universal kurikUlum. thAr ar mani

otherz, this wun difering from them

Onli in form. thA aul lEd t god in e end.

H kPs in mCakalz iz bat wan vxZon

v H VnivDsal kDikVlam. HX R mani

oHDz, His wan difDiN from Hem

Onli in fPm. HE Yl lId t god in H end.

nolej iz trooth; unaulterabul, Eternal, n

unambigUus. it iz without begining or

end. it mErli iz.

noleJ iz trMT; unYltDabal, Itxnal, n

unAmbigVas. it iz wiHQt beginiN P

end. it mCli iz.

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A, az in Air; E, in Eat,... au, az in auto
t = to e = the v = of n = and
*tranzishunal fonik

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From: geoflyfisher
Date: 2002-02-10 04:47:20 #
Subject: [shavian] Shavian Letterboxing

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HX iz sam intrest in SEvW
 in H letxboksiN grMp.
 HX R SEvW boksez in /OhFO n /teksaz.
</F>
Have fun and check it out at
www.letterboxing.org

My first Shavian box is
"Hooked on Phonics" listed under Ohio
There are a couple mystery boxes in Maine.
And then there is the original Shavian letterbox by member
Egohan... The Shavian Cowboy... (look in Texas)

Having fun learning

Rick aka flyfisher <><

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From: geoflyfisher
Date: 2002-02-10 04:50:37 #
Subject: [shavian] Second try ...

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HX iz sam intrest in SEvW
 in H letxboksiN grMp.
 HX R SEvW boksez in /OhFO n /teksaz.
</F>
Have fun and check it out at
www.letterboxing.org

My first Shavian box is
"Hooked on Phonics" listed under Ohio
There are a couple mystery boxes in Maine.
And then there is the original Shavian letterbox by member
Egohan... The Shavian Cowboy... (look in Texas)

Having fun learning

Rick aka flyfisher <><

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From: Rick aka Flyfisher
Date: 2002-02-10 11:42:08 #
Subject: [shavian] Letterboxing and Shavian

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HX iz sam intrest in SEvW

in H letxboksiN grMp.

HX R SEvW boksez in /OhFO /mEn n /teksaz.

Have fun and check it out at www.letterboxing.org My first Shavian box is "Hooked on Phonics" listed under Ohio.

There are a couple mystery boxes in Maine. And then there is the original Shavian letterbox by member

Egohan... The Shavian Cowboy... (look in Texas)

Having fun learning

Rick aka flyfisher <><

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From: m. vero
Date: 2002-02-11 18:43:03 #
Subject: [shavian] fonetik alfabet

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A, az in Air; E, in Eat,... au, az in auto
t = to e = the v = of n = and
*tranzishunal fonik
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
A, az in Air; E, in Eat,... au, az in auto
t = to e = the v = of n = and
*tranzishunal fonik

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From: Steve Bett
Date: 2002-02-11 20:44:51 #
Subject: [shavian] Re: fonetik alfabet

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Thanks for the update but I am not sure that I understand what you are getting at. Since you are interested in Read's Quickscript, I think I will share with you an alternate quick script that is more in keeping with the Shavian approach. You may also want to check out a new website by Terrence Gibian. It is another attempt at coming up with a augmented phonemic transcription system and alphabet for English. He calls it NEW or New English Alphabet. http://members.cox.net/tcgibian/NEA.htm My phonetic English is very close to yours and can be found at http://www.unifon.org/unifon-intro.html AEIOU is the same as your fonetic english alphabet instead of oo however, I use u. One of the requirements of a typing system is that it must be unigraphic. The only digraphs are for diphthongs - oi and av. v is the short u in hook. I have attached the PMF consonants. All of them are of the p/b form. That is, the voiced/unvoiced pairs are flipped versions of each other. [In Shavian, they were rotated]. PFM is designed for rapid handwriting. In printed form it is a font for the U2 keyboarding script. U2 or Unifon 2 is my version of fonetic english. Regards, Steve Join the saundspel forum http://www.unifon.org/saundspel.html --- "m. vero" wrote:~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ A, az in Air; E, in Eat,... au, az in auto t = to e = the v = of n = and *tranzishunal fonik

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From: Rick aka Flyfisher
Date: 2002-02-13 02:40:08 #
Subject: [shavian] New Shavian Letterboxes

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fP HOz hM kAn not get Inaf /SEvWn,

V hAv sam nV letxbokez tM rId.

cek Qt H linkz bIlO:

/flFfiSx

http://www.qsl.net/ws8g/genesis.htm

http://www.qsl.net/ws8g/protocavefrogs.htm

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From: geoflyfisher
Date: 2002-02-15 03:27:31 #
Subject: [shavian] Writing Shavian

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If anyone wants to chat over the next few weeks in shavian...

I have been mostly talking to myself on the shavian board hosted my
mixsynch...

http://www.shavian.f2s.com/cgi-bin/ikonboard/ikonboard.cgi

flyfisher

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From: stbett
Date: 2002-02-16 06:45:16 #
Subject: [shavian] Re: Learning Strategies

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It is a good idea to have a way to check the accuracy of your sound
spellings. The only problem with the English Oxford dictionary is
that it is not generally available.

If you don't mind speaking general amerian [GA] there are three
sources: www.m-w.com [Merriam Webster on-Line]

Carnegie Mellon University
You can link to it from
http://www.unifon.org/q-ref.html

Foreignword.com
http://www.foreignword.com/dictionary/truespel/transpel.htm

I prefer an ascii-ipa for

--- In shavian@y..., "richardcutler" <cutler@i...> wrote:
> Greetings Vir,
> The Shavian Alphabet interests me as a teaching tool. The method I
am
> developing might help your approach to learning it.
> I believe in teaching the SOUND to the learner in combination with
the
> SYMBOL. Then I write the Shavian symbols under the word printed
in the
> English Alphabet. This has the added advantage of allowing the
learner to
> 'photograph' the irregular and illogical spellings of the English
words
> printed above the Shavian sound symbols, that sound alike but are
spelled
> differently. (For example: sleight and bite; sleigh and slay)
> As I am not interested in Shavian as a means for writing fast or
saving
> space, I do not use the suggested abbreviations, since anyone
learning
> English needs to know that one says An Apple and A Peach.
Abbreviations do
> not make the distinction between A and AN or THE before a
consonant and THE
> (pronounced thee) before a vowel.

Unifon: an apcl and c pEC
Spanglish: aen appl annd a piech
Truespel: an apul and u peech
Kirshenbaum: &n ap@l &nd @ piitS
SAMPA }n }p@l }nd @ piitS

> In order to teach Shavian it is essential to standardize the
pronunciation,
> so I use the pronunciation of the English Oxford Dictionary, which
is the
> basis for spelling, pronunciation, and usage of Standard English
(or
> Received English). American pronunciations would seriously
confuse the
> issue, as would a Scots, Irish or any British regional accent.

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From: Ewout Stam
Date: 2002-02-17 18:29:24 #
Subject: Re: [shavian] Re: Learning Strategies

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>It is a good idea to have a way to check the accuracy of your sound
>spellings. The only problem with the English Oxford dictionary is
>that it is not generally available.
>
>If you don't mind speaking general amerian [GA] there are three
>sources: www.m-w.com [Merriam Webster on-Line]
>
>Carnegie Mellon University

In combination with Rosetta http://www.geocities.com/andy_callaway/ I
convert whole texts to phonetic in order to gain a better insight in
pronunciation.

>Unifon: an apcl and c pEC
>Spanglish: aen appl annd a piech
>Truespel: an apul and u peech
>Kirshenbaum: &n ap@l &nd @ piitS
>SAMPA }n }p@l }nd @ piitS

Erm, isn't a long vowel/consonant (long consonants occur in a few languages)
indicated by a colon? That doubled i suggest a pronunciation like
'peeyeech'.

>> In order to teach Shavian it is essential to standardize the
>pronunciation,
>> so I use the pronunciation of the English Oxford Dictionary, which
>is the
>> basis for spelling, pronunciation, and usage of Standard English
>(or
>> Received English). American pronunciations would seriously
>confuse the
>> issue, as would a Scots, Irish or any British regional accent.

They indeed confuse. I'm Dutch and at school (and by tv) we hear Recieved (I
call it posh) and American English all the time, and very little regional,
Scots, Irish or other accents. When I'm in England (I have been there a few
times now) it really takes some effort trying to understand those people. A
friend of me often has a Scotsman (a friend of my friend) on the phone, and
they know everything about understandability based on pronunciation. The
Scotsman started talking with a posh accent and miraculously there was no
more need to say 'huh?' on the Dutch end of the line.

The other nice thing about Shavian is that its characters consist of such
simple forms. Writing is a lot less elaborate than in Roman. The question
is, how far can you go before you become dyslexic? Not only does the
Traditional Orthography make people dyslexic, letters which look alike can
be a real pain in the bum too (Look online for Tengwar, from Tolkien's Lord
of the Rings , and see what I mean. It takes only a few minutes to learn,
but confuses so quickly) So, how far can you go with a new writing system?

Ewout

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