Shavian eGroup Archive Browser

Well, not quite.

I have written a short page of Shavian/Quickscript resources
including directions on how to upload fonts and how to load the
experimental keyboard drivers we have been talking about.

The keyboard uses chording of the letters so that it makes more sense
to me. Tell me what you think.

The Page does not have any Shaw Script on it yet, because it assumes
that a visitor does not have any fonts when they first enter. (Maybe
I will add a picture later.)

Have fun with it.

http://www.qsl.net/ws8g/shavianindex.htm

Rick



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I have written a short page of Shavian/Quickscript resources
including directions on how to upload fonts.

Eventually it will show how to load the
experimental keyboard drivers we have been talking about on the
Shavian and Quickscript boards.

The keyboard mapping programs use chording of the letters.

Ewout Stam's keyboard is organized according to the concepts of
NewRomaji, so that the most used characters in English use only one
keystroke.

I am working on a keyboard that transliterates some of the
capitalized letters to two letter cords that are easy for me to
remember.

A couple days ago I said that these resources could be downloaded
from my site. When I tested it, I could not download. I will create
a zipped version which I hope will download in the next week.

Have fun with it.

http://www.qsl.net/ws8g/shavianindex.htm

Rick





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-----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
Van: geoflyfisher <geoflyfisher@...>
Aan: shavian@... <shavian@...>
Datum: vrijdag 8 maart 2002 17:57
Onderwerp: [shavian] Some Shavian and Font Resources


>I have written a short page of Shavian/Quickscript resources
>including directions on how to upload fonts.
>
>Eventually it will show how to load the
>experimental keyboard drivers we have been talking about on the
>Shavian and Quickscript boards.
>
>The keyboard mapping programs use chording of the letters.
>
>Ewout Stam's keyboard is organized according to the concepts of
>NewRomaji, so that the most used characters in English use only one
>keystroke.

I'm not too certain on that, but using c, x and q seemed logical to me.

I'm currently investigating this frequency list. But is differs from person
to person. I use 'y' a lot, because of my Dutch background. Others often
pronounce this as 'a', I don't.

[snip]



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I wrote out another text last night. To confess, I have not proofed
it. I am glad to make changes which are obvious errors.

Do you know what the text will be from it's title?

http://www.qsl.net/ws8g/nov19.htm

Rick



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Continuing my practice, I have typed up another classic short piece:

(In Ghoti font)

http://www.qsl.net/ws8g/march4.htm

The other texts I have transliterated are on my shavian index page:

http://www.qsl.net/ws8g/shavianindex.htm

Rick Allnutt





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How come you were avoiding the 'r' ligatures? That was really the aim of the exercise. :-/

P.S. Still no sign of the webspace I need to put the Shavian forum back online. >:-(

----- Original Message -----
From: Flyfisher <mailto:geoflyfisher@...>
To: Shavian Group <mailto:shavian@...>
Sent: Wednesday, March 06, 2002 1:45 AM
Subject: [shavian] Falling into a trap...


I am sure that I am falling into a trap for Hugh, but here goes:

Foreword: The Restauranteur had to perfect his kitchen, as it could not go forward without a permit. He would not permit any old pervert trying to pervert the perfect nature of his merry little daughter Mary.

My mid Ohio (with Kentucky roots) rendering: (avoiding as many of the r ligatures as I can)

fOrwad: H /retrantar hAd tM parfekt' hiz kicin, Az it kUd not gO fOrward wiTQt a parmit. hI wUd not parmit enI Old parvart trFiN tM parvart H parfekt nEcar v hiz mErI lital dotar /mErI.

bF H wE, F did diskavar F waz VziN y fOr Q... (Ups!)

/rik

Second try.




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As I thought. There are several issues that arise from this.

There are two meanings of 'perfect'. As I say them, one has the stress on the 'per' bit (e.g. perfect nature), and the other has the stress on the 'fect' bit (e.g. he had to perfect his kitchen). Do you pronounce them the same?

Also, the same question with 'pervert'. Do the verb (e.g. pervert the course of justice) and noun (e.g. what a complete pervert) versions of the word have no difference in pronunciation?

Hugh

----- Original Message -----
From: usmaak <mailto:usmaak@...>
To: shavian@... <mailto:shavian@...>
Sent: Wednesday, March 06, 2002 3:44 AM
Subject: Re: [shavian] Falling Into A Trap!

Ohh, I wanna try too!!

fPwxd: H /restrYntIr hAd t pxfekt hiz kitcen, Az it kUd not gO fPwRd wiTQt a pxmit. hI wUd not pxmit enI Old pxvxt trFiN t pxvxt H pxfekt nEtcx v hiz merI lital dYtx /mArI.

I am from near Boston, but have lived near Chicago for ten years now. What do you think?

----- Original Message -----
From: Flyfisher <mailto:geoflyfisher@...>
To: Shavian Group <mailto:shavian@...>
Sent: Tuesday, March 05, 2002 4:47 PM
Subject: [shavian] Falling Into A Trap!


I am sure that I am falling into a trap for Hugh, but here goes:

Foreword: The Restauranteur had to perfect his kitchen, as it could not go forward without a permit. He would not permit any old pervert trying to pervert the perfect nature of his merry little daughter Mary.

My mid Ohio (with Kentucky roots) rendering: (avoiding as many of the r ligatures as I can)

fOrwad: H /retrantar hAd tM parfekt' hiz kicin, Az it kUd not gO fOrward wiTQt a parmit. hI wUd not parmit enI Old parvart trFiN tM parvart H parfekt nEcar v hiz mErI lital dotar /mErI.

bF H wE, F did diskavar F waz VziN y fOr Q... (Ups!)

/rik





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To me, they have a difference in pronunciation, but only on the stress of the syllables. He had to perfect his kitchen stresses on the last syllable. Perfect nature stresses on the first syllable. In your opinion, how should it be done.

----- Original Message -----
From: Hugh Birkenhead <mailto:h.birkenhead@...>
To: shavian@... <mailto:shavian@...>
Sent: Monday, March 11, 2002 2:26 PM
Subject: Re: [shavian] Falling Into A Trap!

As I thought. There are several issues that arise from this.

There are two meanings of 'perfect'. As I say them, one has the stress on the 'per' bit (e.g. perfect nature), and the other has the stress on the 'fect' bit (e.g. he had to perfect his kitchen). Do you pronounce them the same?

Also, the same question with 'pervert'. Do the verb (e.g. pervert the course of justice) and noun (e.g. what a complete pervert) versions of the word have no difference in pronunciation?

Hugh

----- Original Message -----
From: usmaak <mailto:usmaak@...>
To: shavian@... <mailto:shavian@...>
Sent: Wednesday, March 06, 2002 3:44 AM
Subject: Re: [shavian] Falling Into A Trap!

Ohh, I wanna try too!!

fPwxd: H /restrYntIr hAd t pxfekt hiz kitcen, Az it kUd not gO fPwRd wiTQt a pxmit. hI wUd not pxmit enI Old pxvxt trFiN t pxvxt H pxfekt nEtcx v hiz merI lital dYtx /mArI.

I am from near Boston, but have lived near Chicago for ten years now. What do you think?

----- Original Message -----
From: Flyfisher <mailto:geoflyfisher@...>
To: Shavian Group <mailto:shavian@...>
Sent: Tuesday, March 05, 2002 4:47 PM
Subject: [shavian] Falling Into A Trap!


I am sure that I am falling into a trap for Hugh, but here goes:

Foreword: The Restauranteur had to perfect his kitchen, as it could not go forward without a permit. He would not permit any old pervert trying to pervert the perfect nature of his merry little daughter Mary.

My mid Ohio (with Kentucky roots) rendering: (avoiding as many of the r ligatures as I can)

fOrwad: H /retrantar hAd tM parfekt' hiz kicin, Az it kUd not gO fOrward wiTQt a parmit. hI wUd not parmit enI Old parvart trFiN tM parvart H parfekt nEcar v hiz mErI lital dotar /mErI.

bF H wE, F did diskavar F waz VziN y fOr Q... (Ups!)

/rik





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There is a way to do this, Reminders, I am an American from the
southern states:

Perfect (v): Peep, Err, Fief, Egg, Kick, Tot
Perfect (n): Peep, Err, Fief, If, Kick, Tot

This seems to work, but I can really find no shavian symbol to
distinguish beteween Err and Urge, both words are used interchangeably,
there for it is like that of Roman spelling, and must be read in
context.

--Star

--- usmaak <usmaak@...> wrote:
> To me, they have a difference in pronunciation, but only on the
> stress of the syllables. He had to perfect his kitchen stresses on
> the last syllable. Perfect nature stresses on the first syllable.
> In your opinion, how should it be done.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Hugh Birkenhead
> To: shavian@...
> Sent: Monday, March 11, 2002 2:26 PM
> Subject: Re: [shavian] Falling Into A Trap!
>
>
> As I thought. There are several issues that arise from this.
>
> There are two meanings of 'perfect'. As I say them, one has the
> stress on the 'per' bit (e.g. perfect nature), and the other has the
> stress on the 'fect' bit (e.g. he had to perfect his kitchen). Do you
> pronounce them the same?
>
> Also, the same question with 'pervert'. Do the verb (e.g. pervert
> the course of justice) and noun (e.g. what a complete pervert)
> versions of the word have no difference in pronunciation?
>
> Hugh
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: usmaak
> To: shavian@...
> Sent: Wednesday, March 06, 2002 3:44 AM
> Subject: Re: [shavian] Falling Into A Trap!
>
>
> Ohh, I wanna try too!!
>
> fPwxd: H /restrYntIr hAd t pxfekt hiz kitcen, Az it kUd not gO
> fPwRd wiTQt a pxmit. hI wUd not pxmit enI Old pxvxt trFiN t pxvxt H
> pxfekt nEtcx v hiz merI lital dYtx /mArI.
>
> I am from near Boston, but have lived near Chicago for ten years
> now. What do you think?
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Flyfisher
> To: Shavian Group
> Sent: Tuesday, March 05, 2002 4:47 PM
> Subject: [shavian] Falling Into A Trap!
>
>
> I am sure that I am falling into a trap for Hugh, but here
> goes:
>
> Foreword: The Restauranteur had to perfect his kitchen, as it
> could not go forward without a permit. He would not permit any old
> pervert trying to pervert the perfect nature of his merry little
> daughter Mary.
>
> My mid Ohio (with Kentucky roots) rendering: (avoiding as many
> of the r ligatures as I can)
>
> fOrwad: H /retrantar hAd tM parfekt' hiz kicin, Az it kUd not
> gO fOrward wiTQt a parmit. hI wUd not parmit enI Old parvart trFiN
> tM parvart H parfekt nEcar v hiz mErI lital dotar /mErI.
>
> bF H wE, F did diskavar F waz VziN y fOr Q... (Ups!)
>
> /rik
>
>
>
>
>
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This pronunciation thing is a killer. When I pronounce perFECT vs. PERfect, I pronounce the ect the same way. I don't say PERfict, I say PERfect. I can agree to a certain way to handle this for the sake of legibility, but it will be different than the way that I pronounce the word.

----- Original Message -----
From: Star Raven <mailto:celestraof12worlds@...>
To: shavian@... <mailto:shavian@...>
Sent: Monday, March 11, 2002 7:08 PM
Subject: Re: [shavian] Falling Into A Trap!

There is a way to do this, Reminders, I am an American from the
southern states:

Perfect (v): Peep, Err, Fief, Egg, Kick, Tot
Perfect (n): Peep, Err, Fief, If, Kick, Tot

This seems to work, but I can really find no shavian symbol to
distinguish beteween Err and Urge, both words are used interchangeably,
there for it is like that of Roman spelling, and must be read in
context.

--Star

--- usmaak <usmaak@...> wrote:
> To me, they have a difference in pronunciation, but only on the
> stress of the syllables. He had to perfect his kitchen stresses on
> the last syllable. Perfect nature stresses on the first syllable.
> In your opinion, how should it be done.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Hugh Birkenhead
> To: shavian@...
> Sent: Monday, March 11, 2002 2:26 PM
> Subject: Re: [shavian] Falling Into A Trap!
>
>
> As I thought. There are several issues that arise from this.
>
> There are two meanings of 'perfect'. As I say them, one has the
> stress on the 'per' bit (e.g. perfect nature), and the other has the
> stress on the 'fect' bit (e.g. he had to perfect his kitchen). Do you
> pronounce them the same?
>
> Also, the same question with 'pervert'. Do the verb (e.g. pervert
> the course of justice) and noun (e.g. what a complete pervert)
> versions of the word have no difference in pronunciation?
>
> Hugh
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: usmaak
> To: shavian@...
> Sent: Wednesday, March 06, 2002 3:44 AM
> Subject: Re: [shavian] Falling Into A Trap!
>
>
> Ohh, I wanna try too!!
>
> fPwxd: H /restrYntIr hAd t pxfekt hiz kitcen, Az it kUd not gO
> fPwRd wiTQt a pxmit. hI wUd not pxmit enI Old pxvxt trFiN t pxvxt H
> pxfekt nEtcx v hiz merI lital dYtx /mArI.
>
> I am from near Boston, but have lived near Chicago for ten years
> now. What do you think?
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Flyfisher
> To: Shavian Group
> Sent: Tuesday, March 05, 2002 4:47 PM
> Subject: [shavian] Falling Into A Trap!
>
>
> I am sure that I am falling into a trap for Hugh, but here
> goes:
>
> Foreword: The Restauranteur had to perfect his kitchen, as it
> could not go forward without a permit. He would not permit any old
> pervert trying to pervert the perfect nature of his merry little
> daughter Mary.
>
> My mid Ohio (with Kentucky roots) rendering: (avoiding as many
> of the r ligatures as I can)
>
> fOrwad: H /retrantar hAd tM parfekt' hiz kicin, Az it kUd not
> gO fOrward wiTQt a parmit. hI wUd not parmit enI Old parvart trFiN
> tM parvart H parfekt nEcar v hiz mErI lital dotar /mErI.
>
> bF H wE, F did diskavar F waz VziN y fOr Q... (Ups!)
>
> /rik
>
>
>
>
>
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