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F dOnt nO if eniwun rimembDz (P Ivan if eniwun nOtist), but F Vst t Vz tM v H ekstra wxd-sFnz: f (fP) n w (wiH). F stil Vz Hem wen rFtiN /SEvian t mFself. F TiNk HAt H wunz in /pItD /makRTi'z nOts wUd bI fFn t Vz enitFm At Yl, bikoz evriwun nOz Hem from H bUk. obviasli, sins His /intDnet kamVniti iz ryHD smYl At prezant, eni 'strEnJ' wxd sFnz wUd bI pikt up bF evribodi strEtawE. F TiNk At prezant wI Yt Onli t stik t H wunz priskrFbd in H bUk, fP ifektiv kamVnikESan'z sEk.

b.t.w. iz eniwun sabskrFbd t H alt.usage.english nVzgrMp, n if sO hAv V bIn rIdiN wot sum pIpal hAv bIn sEiN abQt /SEvian? it sImz mP pIpal dM nO v it HAn woz TYt. weHD HE lFk it P not iz a difDant kwescan, hQevD.

Hugh Birkenhead
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From: To: <mailto:nerd525@...> Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 1999 8:31 PM <mailto:shavian@eGroups.com>
Peter McCarthy's NOTES ON THE SPELLING (of Shavian), "It would be possible to extend the number of word-signs beyond the four provided for in the design. Thus, common words such as the following could regularly be spelt with a single consonant (the corresponding Roman letter is shown in brackets after each word): for (f), be (b), with (w), he (h), are (r), so (s), do (d). Further economies could be made by writing other common words with two letters, omitting the vowel between initial and final consonants, e.g., that (tht), was (wz), have (hv), not (nt), this (ths), but (bt), from (fm), had (hd), has (hz), been (bn), were (wr), and so on. If such spellings became standardized, these invariable written forms would stand equally well for strong and weak forms in pronunciation, each reader supplying whichever he found appropriate in the context (which is what he does now). Naturally, it would always remain possible for a writer to indicate, by spelling out in full, any particular form he wished -- to avoid ambiguity, or for the sake of emphasis, or in order to specify, for example in stage dialogue, some particular reading. For the reasons given in (6) above, Androcles has been transliterated without any abbreviations save those mentioned in (3) above. It is possible, however, that other abbreviations would come into use for private purposes but not for printing; it is also possible that some might come to be adopted in print as well."

Should there be any extended word-signs and if so, how should we approach this subject?
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At 12:31 PM 7/21/99 -0700, you wrote:
>
> As seen in <http://www.shavian.f9.co.uk/reading.html>Peter McCarthy's
NOTES ON
> THE SPELLING (of Shavian), "It would be possible to extend the number of
> word-signs beyond the four provided for in the design. Thus, common words
> such as the following could regularly be spelt with [snip]




>
> Should there be any extended word-signs and if so, how should we approach
> this subject?


Well, I for one find it difficult when I keep encountering single characters,
and then trying to determine what word it means. At the moment, it's not too
bad, but if there were more, it would make it more confusing. It's a good
idea,
but it makes learning more difficult.

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Is there any news of our "official" Shavian alphabet website?

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Hi Simon!

In a message dated 7/25/99 1:33:50 PM, you wrote:

<<Is there any news of our "official" Shavian alphabet website?>>

I haven't heard anything, though I haven't been following things as closely
as I should have been - my day job has been getting in the way of more
interesting pursuits.

My financial advisor's wife - guess she's fortysomething - learned to read
with Initial Teaching Alphabet and has some books. She curses it to this day
- says she's never been able to learn to spell properly.

We do need a font for that.

Bob Richmond

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Announcing the arrival of Ghoti Fingers v1.0, a virtual Shavian typewriter for Windows. You click on its virtual keys, and your text appears in the text box. This means you don't have to learn to touch-type in the Shavian alphabet, and you don't have to remember any awkward key-glyph correspondences. It is an alternative to the Javascript Virtual Shavian Typewriter, which is quite slow, is somewhat difficult to use, and which doesn't appear to work in web browsers other than Internet Explorer.

Ghoti Fingers is much faster than its older Javascript cousin (i.e., if you click rapidly on the same key, none of the characters you tried to enter are omitted due to slow click-event processing). However, you can also type into the text box using your physical keyboard.

Status bar hints are provided to help you learn to type in Shavian: rest the mouse-pointer over a virtual key, and the status bar gives you the name of the Shavian letter, and the key combination you need to press to type the letter. You can also change the font used on the keys and in the text box -- select any font installed on your computer.

Once you have entered your text, you can either save it to disk or copy it to the clipboard for pasting into another application.

A comprehensive and pretty redundant Help file (in HTML Help format) is included.

You can download Ghoti Fingers from www.shavian.f9.co.uk/ghotifingers.html .

And that's another thing (I should have mentioned it before): as you can see from the above address, my Shavian pages have moved from their old Prestel location to www.shavian.f9.co.uk .


Lionel Ghoti
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At 09:39 PM 7/26/99 -0400, RSRICHMOND@aol.com wrote:
>Hi Simon!
>
>In a message dated 7/25/99 1:33:50 PM, you wrote:
>
><<Is there any news of our "official" Shavian alphabet website?>>
>
[snip-a-bit]
>
>My financial advisor's wife - guess she's fortysomething - learned to read
>with Initial Teaching Alphabet and has some books. She curses it to this day
>- says she's never been able to learn to spell properly.
>
>We do need a font for that.
I'll be on to it as soon as I get Fontographer. :-)


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Font for ITA

I would encourage the development of an ITA font. However, IMHO, a more important project is to come up with a more readable keyboard unigraphic phonetic script. The ASCII keyboard script becomes the foundation for any phonemic font.

http://victorian.fortunecity.com/vangogh/555/Spell/unigraf.html

Keyboard Shavian works but it is not an easy sell. While no phonemic spelling system is easy to sell to the general public, the closer it is to the familiar, the more likely people would adopt it.

For sites more related to Shavian see http://victorian.fortunecity.com/vangogh/555/Spell/sitemap-l.html

ITA is a variation of New Spelling
see http://victorian.fortunecity.com/vangogh/555/Spell/map-ipa-2.html#new
The difference is that ITA makes ligatures out of New Spelling's digraphs.
ae, ee, ie, oe, ue, ch, th, etc.
ei, i: ai, ou, ju ... in IPA.

Steve
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On Mon, 26 Jul 1999 21:39:18 RSRICHMOND wrote:
>Hi Simon!
>
>In a message dated 7/25/99 1:33:50 PM, you wrote:
>
><<Is there any news of our "official" Shavian alphabet website?>>
>
>I haven't heard anything, though I haven't been following things as closely
>as I should have been - my day job has been getting in the way of more
>interesting pursuits.
>
>My financial advisor's wife - guess she's fortysomething - learned to read
>with Initial Teaching Alphabet and has some books. She curses it to this day
>- says she's never been able to learn to spell properly.
>
>We do need a font for that.
>
>Bob Richmond
>
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It is high time somebody praised our Great Leader, Lionel Ghoti, and as a
natural sycophant I have volunteered for this lambent task.

I refer not to his enlightened e-leadership, of which we are all aware and
duly reverent, but to his most recent creation, Ghoti Fingers. Those of you
who through sloth or obstinacy have not yet transported this magical device
on to your machines should do so at once. For instead of selling this
stenographical miracle for hard cash, as it deserves, he is giving it away.

In the history of typewriters names such as Henry Mill, William Austin Burt,
Charles Thurber, Alfred Ely Beach, John Pratt, Alfred Ely Beach, Thomas
Hall, Christopher Latham Sholes, Carlos Glidden, Samuel W. Soule, James
Densmore, E. Remington, to name but a few*, shine out. To these should now
be added Lionel Ghoti, a worthy successor to them all, and exponent of the
great alphabet of Shaw and Read.

Simon Barne

*I could also mention George Washington Yost, Franz X. Wagner, H.L. Wagner
and James B. Hammond. And who could forget Lucien S. Crandall, John N.
Williams, Thomas A. Edison, James Smathers and Frank S. Rose?


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At 08:11 PM 8/3/99 +0000, you wrote:
>It is high time somebody praised our Great Leader, Lionel Ghoti, and as a
>natural sycophant I have volunteered for this lambent task.
>
>I refer not to his enlightened e-leadership, of which we are all aware and
>duly reverent, but to his most recent creation, Ghoti Fingers. Those of you
>who through sloth or obstinacy have not yet transported this magical device
>on to your machines should do so at once.
Hear, hear.

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Thank you all for your kind words re my humble Shavian software revolution.

I've just uploaded version 1.1 of Ghoti Fingers, the virtual Shavian typewriter for Windows, to my web site at www.shavian.f9.co.uk/ghotifingers.html . This new version allows you to select a target application which will receive your virtual keystrokes -- so you can type directly into your word-processor or email program. There's also a new splash screen with a new picture! Ars est celare artem, and the art in the splash picture is nigh on undetectable.

In order to implement the new target-application thing, I've changed the way in which the virtual keypresses are handled by windows. Instead of simply adding a character to the text window, as in previous versions, a keypress now generates a "virtual key event" in the target application. To type a shifted character, such as "N", two key events are sent: one to press down the shift key, the other to press the "n" key. This should cause no problems when typing any of the Shavian letters, but I'm a bit concerned that some of the punctuation marks might not work properly on non-UK keyboards, because of different shifted characters appearing on different keys. (E.g., the open-bracket symbol appears above the number 9 on my keyboard. Does it belong to another key on US or Australian keyboards?) I'd be very grateful if any American or other non-British Windows users could try out the new version of the program, and tell me if anything unexpected happens when pressing any of the virtual keys. If there is a problem, I'll add a Country option which will let you choose the correct keyboard configuration.

LG




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