Correction:
>Date: Tue, 01 Oct 2002 02:29:31 -0300
>To: shavian@...
>From: Paul Gershon Vandenbrink <pvandenbrink@...>
>Subject: 40 Years and Onwards - the Alphabet Lives
>
>Hi Robert and Rubik
>I believe you are asking two different questions?
>1. How did we decide on Mark Twain's
>"Adventures of Huckleberry Finn" as a text to transliterate
>into the Shavian Alphabet?
>Our Choice developed out of our discussion's in Hugh's English Chat board
>on, How to promote Shavian? You can see how our decision was arrived at
>from the postings. Let me know, if you have any difficulty finding it or
>the text of Huck Finn on the Shaw Chat board, and I can give you more details.
>2. How do we reconcile the nonstandard pronunciations and grammar of this
>original work by Mark Twain, with a need to produce sample works which
>for greater educational benefit should be consistent with Modern
>Mid-Western or General American Pronunciation?
>In practise, you should have both types of works, to demonstrate the
>flexibility and usefulness of the Shaw Alphabet. Books that show dialect
>and variant pronunciations, and also books that hew close to the General
>American Standard.
>Since we are working with Mark Twain's relatively crude attempts at
>transcription of a number of different accents,
>(See preface) and not actual voice recordings, the Shavian spelling's will
>tend to retreat back to the standard Mid-western pronunciation. There will
>be enough variation to give a reader a flavor of the dialect, but
>obviously not a full immersion.
>The final result will be somewhere in-between the two extremes that you
>suggest, and you are correct to note the material, in itself, would not be
>a good basis for a Shavian "dictionary".
>
>Regards, Paul V.
>
>P.S. The abstraction of writing, at the level of Shaw Alphabet provides
>only rough mapping with the speech sounds of English. It is hugely better
>and much more consistent than the Roman Alphabet, but it doesn't come
>close to the accuracy of Linguistic tools, such as the IPA alphabet.
>See http://www2.arts.gla.ac.uk/IPA/ipa.html for details.
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>At 10:22 AM 9/30/02 -0400, you wrote:
>>It good to hear that someone is Shavian-izing Huckelberry Finn. I myself
>>tried the first chapter some time ago.
>>
>>Did you choose Huck because you liked the book, or because Twain tries to
>>capture the voice (though by primitive means) of a particular Midwest
>>country accent?
>>
>>If it's the latter, then I applaud you for trying to create a document
>>which will be a unique work, a kind of written "audio book" with all its
>>characters' verbal idiosynscrasies. What if won't be, of course, is any
>>basis for a Shavian "dictionary" or character frequency data base.
>>
>>I don't see how any text could be both. Do you?
>>
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>>>Hi Rubik
>>>What is the name of book you are transliterating into the Shaw Alphabet?
>>>Sorry about the invalid assumption on age.
>>>I was concerned that us pre-boomers (i.e. 48) were the only ones who knew
>>>about the alphabet. Androcles has been out of print a long time.
>>>Anyway, I have been transliterating "The Adventures of Huckleberry Finn",
>>>with the aid of some volunteers and posting it over at www.shavian.org
>>>under Hugh's Ikonboard for Shaw Messages. It is quite enjoyable work. Are
>>>you going to post your book somewhere accessable?
>>>
>>> Regards, Paul V.
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>>>At 12:59 AM 9/27/02 +0000, you wrote:
>>> >--- In shavian@y..., "pvandenbrink11" <pvandenbrink@s...> wrote:
>>> > > All of us in the Yahoo group, with exception of Hugh, seem to be on
>>> > > the wrong side of 45. Where are all the bright young things?
>>> >
>>> >Well, it all depends what you mean by the "wrong" side of 45. I'm 35
>>> >right now, and have finished about 120 pages of a 140 page
>>> >transliteration project in preparation for transferring it over to
>>> >computerised form. L8r.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
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