From: Star Raven
Date: 2003-02-20 02:28:36 #
Subject: Re: [shavian] Re: Revisting the International Shaw Alphabet
From: Paul Gershon Vandenbrink
Date: 2003-02-20 06:13:02 #
Subject: [shavian] Revisting the International Shaw Alphabet
From: Star Raven
Date: 2003-02-20 18:46:12 #
Subject: Re: [shavian] Revisting the International Shaw Alphabet
From: paul vandenbrink
Date: 2003-02-23 17:13:20 #
Subject: [shavian] Re: Revisting the International Shaw Alphabet
I accept your neo-tradionalist apology.
Perhaps, we can get down to Brass Tacks and make up an
American Shavian Dictionary.
Then we can avoid arguing about silly abstractions,
and see how the subset of Shaw will work on real words.
Perhaps,
We can argue more productively over real word spelling?
Then you will have your ammunition to bring back into the
subset, any Shaw letters that you feel have been unfairly
maligned.
So do you want play?
Regards, Paul V.
P.S. The ball is in your court.
________________attached____________________________
--- In shavian@..., Star Raven
<celestraof12worlds@y...> wrote:
> Uh, I hope tht i didn't mean to be offensive or a flame
thrower, just
> my neo traditionallist mannor, I suppose.
>
> :)
> --Star
>
> --- Paul Gershon Vandenbrink <pvandenbrink@s...> wrote:
> > Hi Star
> > Forget I said anything.
> > I do not want to confuse people with phonetics.
> > I am a harmless, if somewhat pedantic grammarian
> > who only wishes to tactfully present a simple yet
workable
> > American version/subset of the Shaw Alphabet.
> > Please take it as offered.
> >
> > Hugh's suggestions are certainly worth a look.
> > Regards, Paul V.
>
>
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From: Star Raven
Date: 2003-02-23 19:07:29 #
Subject: [shavian] Out of the frying pan
From: paul vandenbrink
Date: 2003-02-23 21:44:45 #
Subject: [shavian] (unknown)
Why not use an On-line Dictionary.
The one at www.yourdictionary.com looks exceedingly complete.
And I like its list of sounds. Concise, complete and compatable with
the Shaw Alphabet.
See EXAMPLES below. Some vowel letters didn't come across well.
The Schwa is represented by an upside down e.
EXAMPLES AHD EXAMPLES AHD
pat a boot oo
pay ei out ou
care âr pop p
father ä roar r
bib b sauce s
church ch ship, dish sh
deed, milled d tight, stopped t
pet e thin th
bee ee this th
fee, phase, rough f cut u
gag g urge, term, firm, word, heard ûr
hat h valve v
which hw with w
pit i yes y
pie, by ai zebra, xylem z
pier îr vision, pleasure, garage zh
judge j about, item, edible, gallop, circus (Schwa)
kick, cat, pique k butter (Schwa)+r
lid, needle 1. l (nd'l)
mum m
no, sudden 1. n (sd'n)
thing ng
pot o
toe o French feu, German schön oe
caught, paw, car ô French tu, German über ü
noise oi German ich, Scottish loch kh
took oo French bon (bôN)
1. In English the consonants "l" and "n" often constitute complete
syllables by themselves.
Check it out. If it is OK with you, I will preceed to set up an "a"
dictionary using these pronunciations on one of Hugh's Ikon boards.
We can add and merge new words.
Regards, Paul V.
P.S. Thanks for continuing the discussion under such dire (rhymes
with fire) circumstances.
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--- In shavian@..., Star Raven <celestraof12worlds@y...>
wrote:
> touche!
>
> alright, where do we begin? I've a dictionary (Websters) on my desk,
> but here's the problem presented by this. I need to have a shaw
> alphabet that I can work easily with. I do have a new keyboard
layout,
> which I believe I meant to post but never did. I will post it as
soon
> as I find my previous notes. IMHO I feel that, since we have to use
the
> shift key after all, we might as well look at it as the designers
did.
> We should look at it as a typed alphabet.
>
> Starting with "a,"
> --Star
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From: rubik67
Date: 2003-02-26 11:24:32 #
Subject: [shavian] Re: Greetings to a fellow Shavian.
wrote:
The question to those who drive for
> standardization is, can you read medieval documents when printed
with
> their original spellings intact? could you read shakespeare in his
> original klingon...um, that is, in his original spellings?
I find it hard enough to read Shakespeare in the modern day
equivalent of his spellings. I seriously doubt that there's all that
many people alive today who could read the true Shakespearean
spellings. L8r.
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From: Star Raven
Date: 2003-02-26 13:51:53 #
Subject: Re: [shavian] Re: Greetings to a fellow Shavian.
From: Craig Butz
Date: 2003-02-26 16:54:36 #
Subject: [shavian] The Bard spelleth badly?
From: Scott Harrison
Date: 2003-02-26 20:26:00 #
Subject: Re: [shavian] Re: Conversion app