Hi Hugh
The American Heritage Dictionary is readily available in Canada, both
in Bookstores and Libraries. It is not the most common Dictionary by
any means, but it is readily available.
I will check it out the next time I go to the Chapter's book
store. In Canada, both the British and American based Dictionaries
are widely prevalent. There is one Canaadian based Dictionary called
Gage. But it conforms pretty much to the American pronunciation.
Regards, Paul V.
--- In shavian@..., "Hugh Birkenhead" <mixsynth@f...>
wrote:
> Is the American Heritage Dictionary readily available in print in
the States?
>
> Hugh B
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: carl easton
> To: shavian@...
> Sent: Friday, November 14, 2003 8:05 PM
> Subject: Re: [shavian] More about -> Some words
>
>
> Hi Paul,
>
> Thanks for the input. Like I mentioned in a response to someone
else I'm still confused. But your right we need only one dictionary
which is compatible with Shavian. The only reason I was using the
Merriam-Webster dictionary is because that Is the only dictionary
that I own right now. Besides that I wish everygood luck in finding
the best way of standardizing Shavian spelling.
>
> best regards,
>
> Carl
>
> paul vandenbrink <pvandenbrink@s...> wrote:
> Hi Carl
> I noticed a few problems with your Shaw spellings of common
English
> words in the attached note. I think it can be traced back to
the
> pronunciation key used by the merriam-webster dictionary.
> > with - *wiH, wiT
> > have -- hAv, *hav
> > for - fD, fP
> > by -- bF, *ba
> > at -- *at, At
> > under - undD, *andD
> > than - Hun, HAn
> > such - suc, *sic
> * variant pronunciations
>
> You said that you have looked at the NTC's Dictionary of
American
> English Pronunciation by Bernard Silverstein. It gives just one
> American pronunciation of each English word.
>
> If you would use this Dictionary, you would save yourself a lot
of
> grief and skip the lesser used or even out of date variant
> pronunciations.
>
> Regards, Paul V.
>
> P.S. One of the reasons that we have abbreviations for the
following
> words is to reduce variant spellings. We need to use the
Standard
> Abbreviation instead of your variations. They (Abbr.) are part
of
> the system of Shaw spelling too.
>
> > to, too - ta, tM ----> t
> > a - a, E ----> a
> > of - uv, Yv ----> v
> > the - Ha, Hi, HI ----> H
> > and - an, and, And ----> n
>
> P.P.S. It appears that while everyone agrees that a Dictionary,
> should be
> our final arbitrator, for determining preferred Shavian
spelling
> based on the Dictionary pronunciation,
> we still need to narrow down, and determine which Dictionaries
have
> compatible pronunciation keys with the Shaw Alphabet.
>
>
> P.P.P.S Unfortunately, my favorite, the NTC's Dictionary of
American
> English Pronunciation by Bernard Silverstein is temporararily
out of
> print. Copies are available on Amazon.com
>
> Also Mr. Silverstein just came out with
>
> "Perfecting the Sounds of American English", which will answer
a lot
> of the questions and quibbles of our American English Speakers.
I
> urge them all to get a copy.
> It even includes a complete guide to IPA, so you can kill two
birds
> with one stone. See the direction American English is heading,
and
> learn the standard world language spelling system as it applies
to
> English.
>
>
> --- In shavian@..., carl easton <shavintel16@y...>
wrote:
> > Hi folks,
> >
> > This is the next installment of Basic English words with
merriam-
> webster dictionary pronouncation.
> >
> > down - dQn
> > from - frum, frYm
> > in - in
> > off - of
> > on - on, Yn
> > over - OvD
> > through - TrM
> > to - ta, tM
> > under - undD, andD
> > up - up
> > with - wiH, wiT
> > as - az, Az
> > for - fD, fP
> > of - uv, Yv
> > till - til
> > than - Hun, HAn
> > a - a, E
> > the - Ha
> > all - ol
> > any -enI
> > every - evrI
> > little - lital, litl
> > much - muc
> > no - nO
> > other - uHD
> > some - sum
> > such - suc, sic
> >
> > As before I hope these words help the cause,
> >
> > Carl
> >
> > carl easton <shavintel16@y...> wrote:
> > Hi folks,
> >
> > For the next month I will be sharing Basic English words
whose
> pronouncation were determined by the merrium-webster dictionary.
> >
> > come -- kum
> > get -- get
> > give -- giv
> > go -- gO
> > keep -- kIp
> > let -- let
> > make -- mEk
> > put -- pUt
> > seem -- sIm
> > take -- tEk
> > be -- bI
> > do -- dM
> > have -- hAv, hav
> > say -- sE
> > see -- sI
> > send -- send
> > may -- mE
> > will -- wil
> > about -- abQt
> > across -- akros
> > after -- AftD
> > against -- agenst
> > among -- amuN
> > at -- at, At
> > before -- bifP
> > between -- bitwIn
> > by -- bF, ba
> >
> > Hope these help the cause,
> >
> > best regards,
> >
> > Carl
> >
> __________________attached
______________________________________
>
>
> Subject: Re: 3 ways to determine shavian spelling
>
> Hi Carl
>
> I suppose I could use one the Oxford Dictionaries. I have not
> checked it's pronunciation
> thoroughly, but it probably suffices.
> It has a really good, Learners or Student Dictionary.
>
> But I have to disagree with your choice of the Merriam-Webster
> Dictionary. It uses an extended Roman Alphabet with
> diacritics to indicate pronunciation. It has duplicate letters,
is
> inadequate and is quite confusing, because it doesn't have a
one to
> one relationship between pronunciation key letters and English
> sounds.
> The Webster International Edition looks better.
>
> Regards, Paul V.
>
> P.S. It appears as if everyone agrees that a Dictionary, should
be
> our arbitrator, for determining preferred pronunciation.
> Now we need to narrow down, and determine which Dictionaries
have
> compatible pronunciation keys with the Shaw Alphabet.
>
> ____________________attached_________________________________
>
> Hi Everyone
>
> Hmmn.
> No Dissenters at this moment. Although it appears, everyone has
own
> favorite English Dictionary.
>
> Resolved. Let us use a Dictionary, as our final arbitrator, for
> determining preferred pronunciation.
> Please refer to actual name of Dictionary, whenever possible.
(ie.
> AH, MW, Web IW,
> NTC, Penguin, Gage, Ox, dic.com)
>
> Dissenters please hold your peace.
>
> Regards, Paul V.
> >
>
> --- In shavian@..., carl easton <shavintel16@y...>
wrote:
> > Hi folks,
> >
> > This is the next installment of Basic English words with
merriam-
> webster dictionary pronouncation.
> >
> > down - dQn
> > from - frum, frYm
> > in - in
> > off - of
> > on - on, Yn
> > over - OvD
> > through - TrM
> > to - ta, tM
> > under - undD, andD
> > up - up
> > with - wiH, wiT
> > as - az, Az
> > for - fD, fP
> > of - uv, Yv
> > till - til
> > than - Hun, HAn
> > a - a, E
> > the - Ha
> > all - ol
> > any -enI
> > every - evrI
> > little - lital, litl
> > much - muc
> > no - nO
> > other - uHD
> > some - sum
> > such - suc, sic
> >
> > As before I hope these words help the cause,
> >
> > Carl
> >
> > carl easton <shavintel16@y...> wrote:
> > Hi folks,
> >
> > For the next month I will be sharing Basic English words
whose
> pronouncation were determined by the merrium-webster dictionary.
> >
> > come -- kum
> > get -- get
> > give -- giv
> > go -- gO
> > keep -- kIp
> > let -- let
> > make -- mEk
> > put -- pUt
> > seem -- sIm
> > take -- tEk
> > be -- bI
> > do -- dM
> > have -- hAv, hav
> > say -- sE
> > see -- sI
> > send -- send
> > may -- mE
> > will -- wil
> > about -- abQt
> > across -- akros
> > after -- AftD
> > against -- agenst
> > among -- amuN
> > at -- at, At
> > before -- bifP
> > between -- bitwIn
> > by -- bF, ba
> >
> > Hope these help the cause,
> >
> > best regards,
> >
> > Carl
> >
> >
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