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Hi Steve.
Concerning your point 4 winning contest entries.
"One of them, by the British typographer
Kingsley Read, was selected - with minor adjustments - to be the
final outcome."
My understanding was that Kingsley Read was selected to combine the
best features of the 4 outstanding entries, with the assistance of a
Linguistics professor, and while in the main the Shaw Alphabet
resembles most closely the Kingsley entry, the adjustments,
additions, and replacements were anything but minor. Have the other
entries ever been published?

Regards, Paul V.


--- In shavian@..., "Steve Bett" <stbett@y...> wrote:
> The Shaw Alphabet Competition by Bob Brown
>
> Reprinted from the Journal of the Simplified Spelling Society,
> 1991:
http://www.spellingsociety.org/pubs/newsletters/n1.html#shaw2
>
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/shavian/files/texts/shaw-alfa-
> compet.html
>
> In 1958 a public competition was held to select a new alphabet for
> the English language, funded from the estate of George Bernard
Shaw
> who had died eight years previously. Over 450 designs were
submitted
> and a prize of £500 was shared between four entries judged of
> outstanding merit. It was decided, wisely, not to try to combine
> such disparate designs. One of them, by the British typographer
> Kingsley Read, was selected - with minor adjustments - to be the
> final outcome. In 1962 Penguin Books published, and distributed
free
> to many libraries worldwide, a parallel-text edition of Androcles
&
> the Lion [see illustration] using Read's design, again funded from
> the Shaw estate. Some typewriters were made for the new alphabet,
> and Read published a duplicated magazine for enthusiasts until he
> died in 1975. Since then, little has been heard of this brave
> attempt to revolutionise the way we write.
>
> Such are the bare facts of the Shaw Alphabet Competition, as it
has
> come to be known. You can read more detail in the introductory and
> explanatory material in the enclosed copy. Other relatively
> accessible public accounts can be found in Haas (1969) and Tauber
> (1965). This brief article aims to sketch in a little background
not
> addressed in those public sources, and is mostly taken from
research
> material for a book-in-progress.
>
> During most of his long life Shaw showed strong interest in
> improving the efficiency of the tool with which he earned his
living-
> the English language. As early as 1901 he was supporting in the
> Press calls for spelling reforms of the type put forward by
> his "friend William Archer", who was a leading light in the
> Simplified Spelling Society and principal author of the scheme
later
> entitled New Spelling. A few years later his comments on President
> Theodore Roosevelt's American reforms of 1906 were
> characteristically lively! His best-known venture, however, which
he
> called "an advertisement for the science of phonetics", was the
play
> Pygmalion. He experimented with various ways to represent Eliza
> Doolitttle's cockney accent, between the first edition in 1912 and
> the latest in 1942. Sometime in this period Shaw came to the
radical
> view that digraphic schemes like New Spelling, or proposals using
> diacritics or extra letters, just would not do. The problem was
the
> alphabet. Why not scrap it and start afresh with one designed for
> the task?
>
> By 1944 he was telling the world that his fortune would, after his
> death, be used to promote a completely new alphabet. But it was
> characteristic of the man that he had tantalised others with the
> prospect of funding before finally deciding on the new-alphabet
> bequest. One of the more famous of these was CK Ogden, whose Basic
> English received massive exposure during the 1930s as a simplified
> form of the language, for teaching and international
communication.
> Ogden did not envisage changing spelling at all - he contended
that,
> with only 850 items to worry about, a learner could memorise the
> pronunciation and spelling at the same time as the meaning. It is
> clear from correspondence between these men that Shaw had as late
as
> 1940 led Ogden to believe his project was favoured. So Ogden was
> naturally surprised -actually 'aghast' might be a better
> description - to hear early in 1944 that the great man had changed
> his mind, in favour of a new alphabet scheme. It is interesting to
> speculate what might have changed that mind. [continued]
>
> More in the file section of this group
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/shavian/files/texts/shaw-alfa-
> compet.html
>
> --Steve [comments and additions welcomed]


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Is the American Heritage Dictionary readily available in print in the States?

Hugh B

[I sent this 3 days ago but it never arrived in the group]

----- Original Message -----
From: carl easton <mailto:shavintel16@...>
To: shavian@... <mailto:shavian@...>
Sent: Friday, November 14, 2003 8:05 PM
Subject: Re: [shavian] More about -> Some words

Hi Paul,

Thanks for the input. Like I mentioned in a response to someone else I'm still confused. But your right we need only one dictionary which is compatible with Shavian. The only reason I was using the Merriam-Webster dictionary is because that Is the only dictionary that I own right now. Besides that I wish everygood luck in finding the best way of standardizing Shavian spelling.

best regards,

Carl

paul vandenbrink <pvandenbrink@...> wrote:

Hi Carl
I noticed a few problems with your Shaw spellings of common English
words in the attached note. I think it can be traced back to the
pronunciation key used by the merriam-webster dictionary.
> with - *wiH, wiT
> have -- hAv, *hav
> for - fD, fP
> by -- bF, *ba
> at -- *at, At
> under - undD, *andD
> than - Hun, HAn
> such - suc, *sic
* variant pronunciations

You said that you have looked at the NTC's Dictionary of American
English Pronunciation by Bernard Silverstein. It gives just one
American pronunciation of each English word.

If you would use this Dictionary, you would save yourself a lot of
grief and skip the lesser used or even out of date variant
pronunciations.

Regards, Paul V.

P.S. One of the reasons that we have abbreviations for the following
words is to reduce variant spellings. We need to use the Standard
Abbreviation instead of your variations. They (Abbr.) are part of
the system of Shaw spelling too.

> to, too - ta, tM ----> t
> a - a, E ----> a
> of - uv, Yv ----> v
> the - Ha, Hi, HI ----> H
> and - an, and, And ----> n

P.P.S. It appears that while everyone agrees that a Dictionary,
should be
our final arbitrator, for determining preferred Shavian spelling
based on the Dictionary pronunciation,
we still need to narrow down, and determine which Dictionaries have
compatible pronunciation keys with the Shaw Alphabet.


P.P.P.S Unfortunately, my favorite, the NTC's Dictionary of American
English Pronunciation by Bernard Silverstein is temporararily out of
print. Copies are available on Amazon.com

Also Mr. Silverstein just came out with

"Perfecting the Sounds of American English", which will answer a lot
of the questions and quibbles of our American English Speakers. I
urge them all to get a copy.
It even includes a complete guide to IPA, so you can kill two birds
with one stone. See the direction American English is heading, and
learn the standard world language spelling system as it applies to
English.


--- In shavian@..., carl easton <shavintel16@y...> wrote:
> Hi folks,
>
> This is the next installment of Basic English words with merriam-
webster dictionary pronouncation.
>
> down - dQn
> from - frum, frYm
> in - in
> off - of
> on - on, Yn
> over - OvD
> through - TrM
> to - ta, tM
> under - undD, andD
> up - up
> with - wiH, wiT
> as - az, Az
> for - fD, fP
> of - uv, Yv
> till - til
> than - Hun, HAn
> a - a, E
> the - Ha
> all - ol
> any -enI
> every - evrI
> little - lital, litl
> much - muc
> no - nO
> other - uHD
> some - sum
> such - suc, sic
>
> As before I hope these words help the cause,
>
> Carl
>
> carl easton <shavintel16@y...> wrote:
> Hi folks,
>
> For the next month I will be sharing Basic English words whose
pronouncation were determined by the merrium-webster dictionary.
>
> come -- kum
> get -- get
> give -- giv
> go -- gO
> keep -- kIp
> let -- let
> make -- mEk
> put -- pUt
> seem -- sIm
> take -- tEk
> be -- bI
> do -- dM
> have -- hAv, hav
> say -- sE
> see -- sI
> send -- send
> may -- mE
> will -- wil
> about -- abQt
> across -- akros
> after -- AftD
> against -- agenst
> among -- amuN
> at -- at, At
> before -- bifP
> between -- bitwIn
> by -- bF, ba
>
> Hope these help the cause,
>
> best regards,
>
> Carl
>
__________________attached ______________________________________


Subject: Re: 3 ways to determine shavian spelling

Hi Carl

I suppose I could use one the Oxford Dictionaries. I have not
checked it's pronunciation
thoroughly, but it probably suffices.
It has a really good, Learners or Student Dictionary.

But I have to disagree with your choice of the Merriam-Webster
Dictionary. It uses an extended Roman Alphabet with
diacritics to indicate pronunciation. It has duplicate letters, is
inadequate and is quite confusing, because it doesn't have a one to
one relationship between pronunciation key letters and English
sounds.
The Webster International Edition looks better.

Regards, Paul V.

P.S. It appears as if everyone agrees that a Dictionary, should be
our arbitrator, for determining preferred pronunciation.
Now we need to narrow down, and determine which Dictionaries have
compatible pronunciation keys with the Shaw Alphabet.

____________________attached_________________________________

Hi Everyone

Hmmn.
No Dissenters at this moment. Although it appears, everyone has own
favorite English Dictionary.

Resolved. Let us use a Dictionary, as our final arbitrator, for
determining preferred pronunciation.
Please refer to actual name of Dictionary, whenever possible. (ie.
AH, MW, Web IW,
NTC, Penguin, Gage, Ox, dic.com)

Dissenters please hold your peace.

Regards, Paul V.
>

--- In shavian@..., carl easton <shavintel16@y...> wrote:
> Hi folks,
>
> This is the next installment of Basic English words with merriam-
webster dictionary pronouncation.
>
> down - dQn
> from - frum, frYm
> in - in
> off - of
> on - on, Yn
> over - OvD
> through - TrM
> to - ta, tM
> under - undD, andD
> up - up
> with - wiH, wiT
> as - az, Az
> for - fD, fP
> of - uv, Yv
> till - til
> than - Hun, HAn
> a - a, E
> the - Ha
> all - ol
> any -enI
> every - evrI
> little - lital, litl
> much - muc
> no - nO
> other - uHD
> some - sum
> such - suc, sic
>
> As before I hope these words help the cause,
>
> Carl
>
> carl easton <shavintel16@y...> wrote:
> Hi folks,
>
> For the next month I will be sharing Basic English words whose
pronouncation were determined by the merrium-webster dictionary.
>
> come -- kum
> get -- get
> give -- giv
> go -- gO
> keep -- kIp
> let -- let
> make -- mEk
> put -- pUt
> seem -- sIm
> take -- tEk
> be -- bI
> do -- dM
> have -- hAv, hav
> say -- sE
> see -- sI
> send -- send
> may -- mE
> will -- wil
> about -- abQt
> across -- akros
> after -- AftD
> against -- agenst
> among -- amuN
> at -- at, At
> before -- bifP
> between -- bitwIn
> by -- bF, ba
>
> Hope these help the cause,
>
> best regards,
>
> Carl
>
>
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Paul Vandenbrink asks:

>>My understanding was that Kingsley Read was selected to combine the best features of the 4 outstanding entries, with the assistance of a Linguistics professor, and while in the main the Shaw Alphabet resembles most closely the Kingsley entry, the adjustments, additions, and replacements were anything but minor. Have the other entries ever been published?<<

I haven't heard this story before - I thought the alphabet was entirely Reads. I don't remember, back in the Sixties, that any information on the other entries was published.

Bob Richmond
Knoxville, Tennessee

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Phillip Driscoll incurred the wrath of Bob on Nov 9, by saying

>I've lived my entire life in the Midwestern part
>of the United States. I'm forty-eight.
>
>In my pronunciation, the h in the word "herb"
>is silent, but the h in "herbivore" is pronounced.
>
>But then "herbivore" doesn't come up much in
>conversation, so others in this region may
>pronounce it diferently.
>

I have the same habit. I'm originally from Pittsburgh, which might be
classified as northeast or midwest, but I always thought those were the
"correct" pronunciations.

--
Cheers,
Bob Schmertz


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Many years ago, I remember looking through a book
written by Sir James Pitman. It contained just a
brief mention of Shavian. As far as I can remember,
he said that Shavian was entirely Read's, but they
had to work out quite a few minor changes. He
mentioned one in particular, that Read's original
submission had some characters which were
identical, but had different sounds depending on
whether the symbol was below the baseline or
above. The Shavian committee wanted all characters
to be distinguishable regardless of position.

--Ph. D.


----- Originala Mesagxo -----
De: RSRICHMOND@aol.com
Al: shavian@...
Sendita: Dimancxon, 16an de novembro 2003, 8:57 ptm
Temo: Re: [shavian] Re: Shaw Alphabet Competition

Paul Vandenbrink asks:
>
>My understanding was that Kingsley Read was selected
>to combine the best features of the 4 outstanding entries,
>with the assistance of a Linguistics professor, and while
>in the main the Shaw Alphabet resembles most closely
>the Kingsley entry, the adjustments, additions, and
>replacements were anything but minor. Have the other
>entries ever been published?

I haven't heard this story before - I thought the alphabet was
entirely Reads. I don't remember, back in the Sixties, that
any information on the other entries was published.

Bob Richmond
Knoxville, Tennessee



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Since we seem to discuss various pronunciations
of English on this list, I wondered if any of you who
live in the Midwestern part of the United States had
heard of this vowel shift, described at this site:

http://www.ic.arizona.edu/~lsp/Northeast/ncshift/ncshift.html

I find this hard to believe, because I have lived my
entire forty-eight years in a town fifty miles west of
Detroit. From 1977 to 1993, I worked full-time in
Detroit, and since then I've worked part-time in
various suburbs around Detroit. Yet, I've never met
anyone whose speech had this vowel shift. Has
anyone else?

--Ph. D.



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Thanks Phil
That makes sense. I know that a number of Shorthand Alphabets make
use of a base line, including Pitman's Shorthand. He would likely
note it. It is logical that if you are trying to develop an easy to
write phonetic alphabet, you might use a Shorthand as a starting
point.
Regards, Paul V.

--- In shavian@..., "Phillip Driscoll" <phild@a...> wrote:
> Many years ago, I remember looking through a book
> written by Sir James Pitman. It contained just a
> brief mention of Shavian. As far as I can remember,
> he said that Shavian was entirely Read's, but they
> had to work out quite a few minor changes. He
> mentioned one in particular, that Read's original
> submission had some characters which were
> identical, but had different sounds depending on
> whether the symbol was below the baseline or
> above. The Shavian committee wanted all characters
> to be distinguishable regardless of position.
>
> --Ph. D.
>
>
> ----- Originala Mesagxo -----
> De: RSRICHMOND@a...
> Al: shavian@...
> Sendita: Dimancxon, 16an de novembro 2003, 8:57 ptm
> Temo: Re: [shavian] Re: Shaw Alphabet Competition
>
> Paul Vandenbrink asks:
> >
> >My understanding was that Kingsley Read was selected
> >to combine the best features of the 4 outstanding entries,
> >with the assistance of a Linguistics professor, and while
> >in the main the Shaw Alphabet resembles most closely
> >the Kingsley entry, the adjustments, additions, and
> >replacements were anything but minor. Have the other
> >entries ever been published?
>
> I haven't heard this story before - I thought the alphabet was
> entirely Reads. I don't remember, back in the Sixties, that
> any information on the other entries was published.
>
> Bob Richmond
> Knoxville, Tennessee


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I didn't ascribe it to any particular area, but the back vowel shift
is not unheard of. I grew up in Mid-west Canada (Calgary) and we had
a fair sized US expatriate population.
Regards, Paul V.

--- In shavian@..., "Phillip Driscoll" <phild@a...> wrote:
> Since we seem to discuss various pronunciations
> of English on this list, I wondered if any of you who
> live in the Midwestern part of the United States had
> heard of this vowel shift, described at this site:
>
> http://www.ic.arizona.edu/~lsp/Northeast/ncshift/ncshift.html
>
> I find this hard to believe, because I have lived my
> entire forty-eight years in a town fifty miles west of
> Detroit. From 1977 to 1993, I worked full-time in
> Detroit, and since then I've worked part-time in
> various suburbs around Detroit. Yet, I've never met
> anyone whose speech had this vowel shift. Has
> anyone else?
>
> --Ph. D.


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^^^^^^^^^^^ sufiks etimoloJi ^^^^^^^^^^^

Ebal - ibal, a sufiks Hat mInz Just wot it sez: Ebal; kAn dM. remember, a sufiks komz At H end v a wurd; a prIfiks komz At H beginiN.

1. komfOrtabul - AJektiv. Ebal t giv Iz, streNT

AnAlisis: kom - prIfiks = wiT

fOrt - (fOrtis) lAtin rMt = streNT

abul - sufiks = kAn dM

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4. pOrtabul - AdJ. kAn bI kErId Izili in H hAnd Or on H person.

5. sOSiabul - AdJ. - frendli. kAn get aloN wiH pIpel. HO His inEt gregarias propensiti lFz At H botom v hjMmAn sosFeti, muc v mAn'z sOSiabiliti iz An akwFrment.

6. tenabul - AdJ. - kAn bI held Or defended; sensibul.

7. trAnsmisibul - AdJ. - kAn bI sent akros; kAn bI impyrted hereditarili.

personAliti n mFnd-spiarit relESonSips yr trAnsmisibul,...

8. vizibul - AdJ. kAn bI sIn; perseptibul.

prAktikali Yl v H styri relmz vizibul t H nEked F from hiar beloN t H 7T sekSon v H grAnd jMnivers, H sMperjMnivers v /Orvonton. H vAst /milki wE styri sistem reprezents its sentral nMklius,...

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Holy crap, it decides to arrive a week after I post it...

----- Original Message -----
From: Hugh Birkenhead <mailto:mixsynth@...>
To: shavian@... <mailto:shavian@...>
Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2003 12:17 PM
Subject: Re: [shavian] More about -> Some words

Is the American Heritage Dictionary readily available in print in the States?

Hugh B

----- Original Message -----
From: carl easton <mailto:shavintel16@...>
To: shavian@... <mailto:shavian@...>
Sent: Friday, November 14, 2003 8:05 PM
Subject: Re: [shavian] More about -> Some words

Hi Paul,

Thanks for the input. Like I mentioned in a response to someone else I'm still confused. But your right we need only one dictionary which is compatible with Shavian. The only reason I was using the Merriam-Webster dictionary is because that Is the only dictionary that I own right now. Besides that I wish everygood luck in finding the best way of standardizing Shavian spelling.

best regards,

Carl

paul vandenbrink <pvandenbrink@...> wrote:

Hi Carl
I noticed a few problems with your Shaw spellings of common English
words in the attached note. I think it can be traced back to the
pronunciation key used by the merriam-webster dictionary.
> with - *wiH, wiT
> have -- hAv, *hav
> for - fD, fP
> by -- bF, *ba
> at -- *at, At
> under - undD, *andD
> than - Hun, HAn
> such - suc, *sic
* variant pronunciations

You said that you have looked at the NTC's Dictionary of American
English Pronunciation by Bernard Silverstein. It gives just one
American pronunciation of each English word.

If you would use this Dictionary, you would save yourself a lot of
grief and skip the lesser used or even out of date variant
pronunciations.

Regards, Paul V.

P.S. One of the reasons that we have abbreviations for the following
words is to reduce variant spellings. We need to use the Standard
Abbreviation instead of your variations. They (Abbr.) are part of
the system of Shaw spelling too.

> to, too - ta, tM ----> t
> a - a, E ----> a
> of - uv, Yv ----> v
> the - Ha, Hi, HI ----> H
> and - an, and, And ----> n

P.P.S. It appears that while everyone agrees that a Dictionary,
should be
our final arbitrator, for determining preferred Shavian spelling
based on the Dictionary pronunciation,
we still need to narrow down, and determine which Dictionaries have
compatible pronunciation keys with the Shaw Alphabet.


P.P.P.S Unfortunately, my favorite, the NTC's Dictionary of American
English Pronunciation by Bernard Silverstein is temporararily out of
print. Copies are available on Amazon.com

Also Mr. Silverstein just came out with

"Perfecting the Sounds of American English", which will answer a lot
of the questions and quibbles of our American English Speakers. I
urge them all to get a copy.
It even includes a complete guide to IPA, so you can kill two birds
with one stone. See the direction American English is heading, and
learn the standard world language spelling system as it applies to
English.


--- In shavian@..., carl easton <shavintel16@y...> wrote:
> Hi folks,
>
> This is the next installment of Basic English words with merriam-
webster dictionary pronouncation.
>
> down - dQn
> from - frum, frYm
> in - in
> off - of
> on - on, Yn
> over - OvD
> through - TrM
> to - ta, tM
> under - undD, andD
> up - up
> with - wiH, wiT
> as - az, Az
> for - fD, fP
> of - uv, Yv
> till - til
> than - Hun, HAn
> a - a, E
> the - Ha
> all - ol
> any -enI
> every - evrI
> little - lital, litl
> much - muc
> no - nO
> other - uHD
> some - sum
> such - suc, sic
>
> As before I hope these words help the cause,
>
> Carl
>
> carl easton <shavintel16@y...> wrote:
> Hi folks,
>
> For the next month I will be sharing Basic English words whose
pronouncation were determined by the merrium-webster dictionary.
>
> come -- kum
> get -- get
> give -- giv
> go -- gO
> keep -- kIp
> let -- let
> make -- mEk
> put -- pUt
> seem -- sIm
> take -- tEk
> be -- bI
> do -- dM
> have -- hAv, hav
> say -- sE
> see -- sI
> send -- send
> may -- mE
> will -- wil
> about -- abQt
> across -- akros
> after -- AftD
> against -- agenst
> among -- amuN
> at -- at, At
> before -- bifP
> between -- bitwIn
> by -- bF, ba
>
> Hope these help the cause,
>
> best regards,
>
> Carl
>
__________________attached ______________________________________


Subject: Re: 3 ways to determine shavian spelling

Hi Carl

I suppose I could use one the Oxford Dictionaries. I have not
checked it's pronunciation
thoroughly, but it probably suffices.
It has a really good, Learners or Student Dictionary.

But I have to disagree with your choice of the Merriam-Webster
Dictionary. It uses an extended Roman Alphabet with
diacritics to indicate pronunciation. It has duplicate letters, is
inadequate and is quite confusing, because it doesn't have a one to
one relationship between pronunciation key letters and English
sounds.
The Webster International Edition looks better.

Regards, Paul V.

P.S. It appears as if everyone agrees that a Dictionary, should be
our arbitrator, for determining preferred pronunciation.
Now we need to narrow down, and determine which Dictionaries have
compatible pronunciation keys with the Shaw Alphabet.

____________________attached_________________________________

Hi Everyone

Hmmn.
No Dissenters at this moment. Although it appears, everyone has own
favorite English Dictionary.

Resolved. Let us use a Dictionary, as our final arbitrator, for
determining preferred pronunciation.
Please refer to actual name of Dictionary, whenever possible. (ie.
AH, MW, Web IW,
NTC, Penguin, Gage, Ox, dic.com)

Dissenters please hold your peace.

Regards, Paul V.
>

--- In shavian@..., carl easton <shavintel16@y...> wrote:
> Hi folks,
>
> This is the next installment of Basic English words with merriam-
webster dictionary pronouncation.
>
> down - dQn
> from - frum, frYm
> in - in
> off - of
> on - on, Yn
> over - OvD
> through - TrM
> to - ta, tM
> under - undD, andD
> up - up
> with - wiH, wiT
> as - az, Az
> for - fD, fP
> of - uv, Yv
> till - til
> than - Hun, HAn
> a - a, E
> the - Ha
> all - ol
> any -enI
> every - evrI
> little - lital, litl
> much - muc
> no - nO
> other - uHD
> some - sum
> such - suc, sic
>
> As before I hope these words help the cause,
>
> Carl
>
> carl easton <shavintel16@y...> wrote:
> Hi folks,
>
> For the next month I will be sharing Basic English words whose
pronouncation were determined by the merrium-webster dictionary.
>
> come -- kum
> get -- get
> give -- giv
> go -- gO
> keep -- kIp
> let -- let
> make -- mEk
> put -- pUt
> seem -- sIm
> take -- tEk
> be -- bI
> do -- dM
> have -- hAv, hav
> say -- sE
> see -- sI
> send -- send
> may -- mE
> will -- wil
> about -- abQt
> across -- akros
> after -- AftD
> against -- agenst
> among -- amuN
> at -- at, At
> before -- bifP
> between -- bitwIn
> by -- bF, ba
>
> Hope these help the cause,
>
> best regards,
>
> Carl
>
>
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